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What's your take on Luis Alberto?


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Zaha has played in the Championship and cost twice as much. Oxlade came from League One and cost 12 mill.
I'm interested to know where you're going with this.

I'm saying the scum and arse had to pay that to get those players. It was a fair deal.

The deal we ended up with for Alberto is beyond me. It's like Ayre put the decimal point in the wrong place.
 
Where did anyone from Sevilla say that?

Their actions say that. Which is how you value the player. If Fulham want to buy Shelvey and we "say" he is the next Gerrard and demand 20m we'll get laughed at. What I don't get is how Ayre got done like that.

Even if our scouts said he is as good as Coutinho, you don't fucking blab that out to Sevilla. We should never have paid more that 3m.
 
The second they asked for 7m we should have laughed and told them to be fucking serious.
 
What is done is done. Hopefully the scouts were not as retarded as Ayre, and 7m turns out to be a bargain.
 
Coutinho was a bargain at £8m, maybe Luis will prove to be the same. I don't get the issue with his fee. its almost as if certain posters feel they know more about valuations than the clubs employees who are paid to know a footballers worth.
 
How good he is and the risk is totally besides the point. You just don't go around handing 7m to clubs for their reserves.

Zaha, Walcott, Ox, were all important players and so you have to pay millions to make the deal. Luis Alberto was loaned out, and not yet a first team player. Only Ian Ayre could rock up to that kind of negotiation and get raped for 7m. The guy should have cost no more than 2-3m. But what can you do now except hope for the best.
Oxlade had made 20 starts in LEAGUE ONE!! LEAGUE ONE!!! Not the championship, LEAGUE ONE.
And Arsenal paid 12m rising to 15m.......3 YEARS AGO.

This lad has just scored more goals and got more assists in a season in Barcelona B than Oxlade has in his career to date. And in a higher division that Oxlade was.

Maybe we should leave the talent to Arsenal and keep scooping up the premiership proven types.
 
Coutinho was a bargain at £8m, maybe Luis will prove to be the same. I don't get the issue with his fee. its almost as if certain posters feel they know more about valuations than the clubs employees who are paid to know a footballers worth.

He is worth more to us than he is to Sevilla. Obviously we should look to pay only what Sevilla think he is worth. Instead we seem to have turned up and shown our own valuation, the Sevilla director of football pissed himself but managed to keep a straight face just long enough to sign the papers.
 
I cant think of any fans of any club in any sport in the world other than some of ours who would moan about signing a young exciting prospect schooled in Sevilla and Barcelona.

Honest to fuck.
 
Oxlade had made 20 starts in LEAGUE ONE!! LEAGUE ONE!!! Not the championship, LEAGUE ONE.
And Arsenal paid 12m rising to 15m.......3 YEARS AGO.

This lad has just scored more goals and got more assists in a season in Barcelona B than Oxlade has in his career to date. And in a higher division that Oxlade was.

Maybe we should leave the talent to Arsenal and keep scooping up the premiership proven types.


He was a teenager. He was in their team. Southampton therefore named their price and Arsenal had no choice. If they didn't pay up then Ox could have stayed for 2-3 years and southampton would have won ganes and still ended up selling him for millions.

Sevilla had no leg to stand on in these negotiations. What the fuck were they going to do with Lberto who was 20 and loaned out because he wasn't in their team.
 
He was a teenager. He was in their team. Southampton therefore named their price and Arsenal had no choice. If they didn't pay up then Ox could have stayed for 2-3 years and southampton would have won ganes and still ended up selling him for millions.

Sevilla had no leg to stand on in these negotiations. What the fuck were they going to do with Lberto who was 20 and loaned out because he wasn't in their team.
Youre just talking nonsense. They could have,....ya know...played him.
 
Yes. Then what do they do with the better player who is already in their team?
You mean Navas? They sold him already.
And if you are saying someone else is better then you are just speculating.

by the by its 6m rising to 6.8m with add ons apparantly.
 
It's like us threatening to play Borini when we sell him. The other club will just say LOL go ahead, we'll talk to you next year to buy Suarez for a knock down fee in that case.
 
It's like us threatening to play Borini when we sell him. The other club will just say LOL go ahead, we'll talk to you next year to buy Suarez for a knock down fee in that case.
Its nothing like that. Quit being fucking stupid.
 
Where are people getting this idea that Sevilla didn't value him at £6m? Do we have any idea whether that's true?

We got him for less than Tom Ince will go for. Is £6m really that outlandish?

I just don't understand the fuss.
 
Navas was 14m and walks into City's midfield. Negredo is about the same price I guess. Their two best players.

How in the living fuck can they value a kid from their reserves at 7m. Its insane.
 
Navas was 14m and walks into City's midfield. Negredo is about the same price I guess. Their two best players.

How in the living fuck can they value a kid from their reserves at 7m. Its insane.
6m.

Who cares man.
 
Navas was 14m and walks into City's midfield. Negredo is about the same price I guess. Their two best players.

How in the living fuck can they value a kid from their reserves at 7m. Its insane.



Navas is a player reliant on pace who'll be 28 in November. He has 4 'good' seasons left in him, in all likelihood. Alberto has perhaps 10 'good' seasons left. City are paying £3.5m for each of Navas's, we're paying £600k for each of Alberto's. Navas is therefore around 6 times more expensive.

That's a major difference.
 
I don't care that much. But if we stopped arguing about it this forum would become too friendly and gay.
 
Navas is a player reliant on pace who'll be 28 in November. He has 4 'good' seasons left in him, in all likelihood. Alberto has perhaps 10 'good' seasons left. City are paying £3.5m for each of Navas's, we're paying £600k for each of Alberto's. Navas is therefore around 6 times more expensive.

That's a major difference.

Very true. But if Sevilla tried to use that argument in my presence I'd send it straight to Man City. Ayre is an idiot.
 
Or, I would use it to buy negredo for 2m. Sevilla made us look silly no matter how you justify it.
 
Reading the comments you'd think the opinion on LAR is evenly divided. However the poll shows that there are exactly 3 guys here who think we overpaid. But they are sure vocal about it… Nothing wrong with it, mind.

There is no guarantee that Alberto will prove a good signing. It's possible that Ross and others will be proven right that the fact he didn't break into somebody's first team yet shows some lack of talent or determination or maybe his game is not well-rounded and will never be well-rounded enough for top level (kind of how I think of Shelvey). However, I think the overall strategy of buying players like Alberto, players who are at the same stage of their career and who usually command a decent fee because their club actually rates them highly and is not keen to let them go (has that thought crossed your mind, dantes?) is spot on.

This is exactly how Borussia Dortmund managed to build one of the best first-team squads in the world, while paying West Brom level of salaries (until this year). We are lucky to have hit a jack-pot, it seems, in our first roll of the dice with Coutinho; whether Alberto comes good or not, we need to continue searching for these kinds of players every year.
 
There are no red flags related to a signing that we have scouted (reportedly) extensively.
Zaha has cost united twice as much and never played a top flight game.
Oxlade cost Arsenal 12m from the THIRD tier of English football.
If we have done our jobs (the signings of Coutinho, Borini, Sturridge etc make me think we have) then the league he is currently in is irrelevant and the sceptical amongst us are being over worried.
If we havnt scouted him then its retarded, but i dont see the point in focusing on the league he was playing in, we have identified him and one would assume scouted him extensively and decided he is a star in the making. We have decided that investing 7m now is shrewd as opposed to 20m in a years time.
Its such a risk free signing in that we will recoup 5m back selling him if he doesnt adapt.
I dont really understand the negativity from a bunch of people who havnt seen him play judging him on where he has performed so far given that we have watched him loads as a club and those who have rate him highly.
Ergo-stfu moaning cunts.


Yep.

Spurs spent 10M on Gareth Bale based on a grand total of 5 goals in the Championship.
 
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