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Ha, I love the fact that Ryan makes it sound like nobody on SCM knows what a dm contributes to in a team set up like ours.

Keniget is spot on btw.

Lucas isnt good enough if we want to challenge for the top 4 or the league.
We need better.
 
If he was left to do his thing he would be go on to be a useful squad player.

All this wonderman stuff is a cringe though.
 
Ha, I love the fact that Ryan makes it sound like nobody on SCM knows what a dm contributes to in a team set up like ours.

Keniget is spot on btw.

Lucas isnt good enough if we want to challenge for the top 4 or the league.
We need better.

Yes, we need better... But right now he's all we got.

Do you want him in the lineup against stoke?
 
I've amended my original post. The very fact that he played the club captain in the role illustrates the importance the manager places on it. It is integral to his preferred style of play but of course goal scorers and flair players are always going to command higher fees.

When Gerrard was playing there Rodgers himself said that Gerrard was not a DM and that he doesn't play with a dedicated DM.
 
Daily Telegraph
Liverpool have upped their offer for Real midfielder Asier Illarramendi.

Metro think we are in for Kroos FFS. I wish they would just cease to exist.
 
Yes, we need better... But right now he's all we got.

Do you want him in the lineup against stoke?

Nope, dont want him in the starting line up.
We've conceded 9 goals in the last two away games to Stoke. He's started both so I doubt he's in any way the missing key for us to get 3 points.
 
Daily Telegraph
Liverpool have upped their offer for Real midfielder Asier Illarramendi.

Metro think we are in for Kroos FFS. I wish they would just cease to exist.


Telegraph quoting the express as the source lol
 
First he deployed the club captain there. He also had the option of Lucas (when fit) and he bought Can...not to mention Allen so I would say he has placed an emphasis on that position.

Consistently the thickest poster on this site, recently.
 
I prefer to worry about content.

But I apologize anyway. It shouldn't have been posted.

I usually don't press submit @Mamma Mia.
It's an internet forum mate. Your opinions of me and mine are of absolutely no significance to me whatsoever so no need to apologise.
 
Consistently the thickest poster on this site, recently.
Why have you become such a bellend.
You used to be a nice kid.
Whats the point in a shitty comment like that.
If you want to get noticed get your nose pierced or something, dont be a mong. Theres plenty of those round these parts already.
 
If Lucas continues to get minutes it means our squad has not moved forward and aiming for anything above 6th is ambitious.
 
KJ i dont understand that thought process. He played all season the year before last when we finished second.
If we dont finish top 6 is wont be Lucas fault.
For all our frailty last year it was the 10 goals combined between Sturridge, Balotelli, Borini and Lambert that stopped us challenging top 4 right?

Well Benteke and Firmino are the players brought in to 'progress' us this year. If they fail we will fail and Lucas will continue to be a 7 out of 10 pretty much every game he plays.
 
KJ i dont understand that thought process. He played all season the year before last when we finished second.
If we dont finish top 6 is wont be Lucas fault.
For all our frailty last year it was the 10 goals combined between Sturridge, Balotelli, Borini and Lambert that stopped us challenging top 4 right?

Well Benteke and Firmino are the players brought in to 'progress' us this year. If they fail we will fail and Lucas will continue to be a 7 out of 10 pretty much every game he plays.

Except he didn't.
 
But I also think we need a better defensive mid. At least another one just for a bit of depth. I don't think Can or Allen could do the role.
 
We need someone better. He wouldnt get into any of the other top 6 teams.
Should have, or at least tried, to sign Kondogbia when he moved to Inter.
 
I've never thought we needed a DM. Lucas is good enough and Can hopefully will go onto be even better in the role. I'm confident Lucas, Milner and Henderson have enough about them to control matches in the middle of the mark.
 
I trust Lucas to anchor the midfield more than any other player we have. If we could get a better player than him in then i'd be fine with that. But that goes for any other position in the team. Play the best player you have for that position until you get a better player for that position.Simple.
As for us conceding 9 goals in the last two away games at Stoke when Lucas has been playing, well that pretty selective blame. Does this mean he was at fault for all 9 of them goals then? He shouldn't get credit for every clean sheet and certainly doesn't deserve blame for every goal we concede. His value to the team last season was evident by the number of points picked up when he played compared to when he didn't. You can't judge that over 1 or 2 games but over the course of the season it usually shows (of course i haven't checked whether we won more when he played so this is mostly an educated guess on my part).
 
Lucas is sound, a team player who always gives his best and the type of mature, experienced leader that every manager needs in his squad.

Trouble is that with him, Henderson & Milner in the side we will lack creativity, balance and tempo.

It's my main concern about our team this season, it's obvious from pre-season that we will lack a metronomic pacemaker in the side who will control the tempo, always be available for the ball, finds space in a packed midfield and adds composure.

We have all sorts of options in midfield now but we don't have the brains to make it tick. The closest we have in the squad is Texeira and Chirivella (maybe Rossiter, though I'm not wholly convinced he has the technical skills) both of whom made huge differences when they played pre-season because they gave us a fulcrum and we then developed a faster more rhythmic pattern. With our current midfield we don't have the short passing game, we become way too predictable because it's too slow, too many players passing the ball in safe areas.

Watch the best sides and they move the ball quickly, one touch in the main. Our lot seem to be coached to receive the ball, control then pass. Every Chelsea player in the back four (especially Terry who is great at it) will pass first time, usually on the volley to a team mate in space.

I don't think Rodgers sees it this way and to me, we will struggle to break sides down again because we can't build the play effectively.

It's so frustrating, we are not far away from a really good side but we are missing a link man and that is not Lucas, at least not with Henderson alongside him.
 
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