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Liverpool vs United Match Thread

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red_maradona said:
Sly digs as Gollum by BR? Mind games being played? Either way, I like it!


Brendan Rodgers believes the Premier League witnessed a more cautiousManchester United in David Moyes's Old Trafford debut and claimed the goalless draw with Chelsea would not have petered out under Sir Alex Ferguson.
Liverpool host a Ferguson-less United for the first time since February 1986 on Sunday and, in comments sure to rile the former Everton manager, Rodgers admits he is prepared for a different mind-set from the Premier League champions. The Liverpool manager lost both league games against Ferguson last season and believes the absence of Anfield's old adversary will have an impact on United, as demonstrated by the tame conclusion to Monday's game with José Mourinho's Chelsea.
"I think it [Ferguson's retirement] could affect the attitude at United. A manager can affect the attitude of his players," said Rodgers, who is close to signing the Sporting Lisbon defender Tiago Ilori. "Look at the Chelsea game the other night. It was drifting towards a nil-nil and there wasn't really a murmur at Old Trafford. You know at the time Fergie was there he was probably going for the win so the crowd were near enough expecting a goal at the end of the game. Now that is an attitude and a behaviour that he installed over many years because they had success through that. That is something you can achieve as a manager over time. That is the impact you can have. If, as a manager, you can create a hostile environment that will get you results, then that is what you will do."
Rodgers claimed he would "always look to get the win" with 20 minutes of a goalless game remaining but understood the approach of Moyes and Mourinho on Monday. "At this stage of the season you don't want to give too much away to the opponent, especially if it's going to be a rival," he added. "That point could ultimately prove crucial either way."

Liverpool finished 28 points behind United last season as Ferguson led their fierce rivals to a 20th league title. But Rodgers disputes the recent claim by the former Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher that the Scot was worth at least 10 points per season to United. "It is more about the players, being honest," he said. "Certainly Fergie was renowned for always asking about the time in games and using that influence but ultimately it is about the players. It is the ones on the pitch who get you the points. Players might react to what managers say or do but I don't go along with the whole mind-games thing. If you let that get to you, then you are beaten."
Despite expecting Ferguson's departure to impact on United, Rodgers says he holds Moyes – who never won at Anfield in 11 years as Everton manager – in the same regard as any adversary. He said: "I've always had respect for the opposition manager whether he's won multiple trophies or not. If you've been fortunate as a manager to work with a group of multi-talented players who are winners, then naturally you will have an opportunity to win trophies. But at the same time you could be like David Moyes at Everton. He did a great job there but he never had a trophy to show for it but you can't say he wasn't successful. I'll always respect every manager. It is a tough job. For me there is no difference."
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You can read into it as a sly dig but it doesn't seem that way to me. Especially if you bold the next sentence...
 
Red Mullet said:
You can read into it as a sly dig but it doesn't seem that way to me. Especially if you bold the next sentence...
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strange, I think thought the following sentence was probably another sly dig - you can't say he was unsuccessful, strongly suggesting that some people will have that thought and hence give some legitimacy to the idea that he was not successful. If you see what I mean? He probably didn't mean it, but then again he spent a couple of years with Jose!
 
red_maradona said:
strange, I think thought the following sentence was probably another sly dig - you can't say he was unsuccessful, strongly suggesting that some people will have that thought and hence give some legitimacy to the idea that he was not successful. If you see what I mean? He probably didn't mean it, but then again he spent a couple of years with Jose!
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That's my point, BR is talking against a perceived thought that if you haven't won a trophy then you've been unsuccessful. Let's face it how many trophies has Brendan won (which may make him a little bias)?

And just because people (even a lot of people) have a thought over something it doesn't make it legitimate. If this is true then the world must be flat because there were a lot of people that thought this a long time ago.
 
Red Mullet said:
That's my point, BR is talking against a perceived thought that if you haven't won a trophy then you've been unsuccessful. Let's face it how many trophies has Brendan won (which may make him a little bias)?

And just because people (even a lot of people) have a thought over something it doesn't make it legitimate. If this is true then the world must be flat because there were a lot of people that thought this a long time ago.
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this discussion could quickly become very circular - I imagine football managers, who are rivals, love to read what each says about the other, so regardless of what Brendan said, I can imagine he would have had some inkling that his comments could be taken another way. I'm not too bothered as Ginosak did that for ages and often to good effect. Good to see us use it, let's hope we can walk the walk as well as talk the talk!
 
red_maradona said:
this discussion could quickly become very circular - I imagine football managers, who are rivals, love to read what each says about the other, so regardless of what Brendan said, I can imagine he would have had some inkling that his comments could be taken another way. I'm not too bothered as Ginosak did that for ages and often to good effect. Good to see us use it, let's hope we can walk the walk as well as talk the talk!
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Well Brendan did mention that as well.

red_maradona said:
"Certainly Fergie was renowned for always asking about the time in games and using that influence but ultimately it is about the players. It is the ones on the pitch who get you the points. Players might react to what managers say or do but I don't go along with the whole mind-games thing. If you let that get to you, then you are beaten."
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Seems a bit strange, in the week before this fixture, not to have 'ol whiskeynose slagging us off in one way or another.
 
I think we'll see the same team as before (with Skrtel in case Toure is not fit), but the positions might be rearranged a bit. Maybe like this:

-----------Sturridge---------
Hendo---Coutinho---Aspas
-------Gerrard---Lucas-----
Enrique--------------GlenJo
-----Agger--Toure (Skrtel)
------------Mignolet--------
 
Normally I'm confident in these games - and we always draw/lose. I have no feelings one way or another today, just looking forward to the game.
 
Me too, but once it starts I just want it to be over.
And if we take the lead the gameclock will be moving with the pace of Neil Ruddock.
 
Hansern said:
Toure in the matchday squad and SSN report Rooney out.
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Great news if true, though I wouldn't hold my breath until I see Man U coming onto the pitch without him. Seems like the standard pre-match injury exaggeration gambit from Man U.
 
Hansern said:
@MullockSMirror: Told Wayne Rooney ruled out of Man United team to play Liverpool by head injury. Also out of England's squad for two World Cup qualifiers
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Like it. I feared the granny shagger would have played a blinder today with his future sorted and he'd be out to prove a point.
 
He was immense the other night so if he is out I think it's a bonus.

Not completely sure he will be out yet, no matter what the press says.
 
Fuck I hope we slay these cunts.
Massive message would be sent out.
Fergie gone, a time for change. We couldnt beat the top teams last year and lost this game.
We would already be 5 points up on the corresponding fixtures last year.
We would be TOP of the league and have 5 points on United after just three games.
And we could start to see glimmers of light at the end of a loooong tunnel.
Im so nervous.
And im at work so the cock cant be liberated or help.
Im recording the game so will watch on layaway with the old chap out, so maybe that will work.
Good luck fellas, show em watchoo got.
 
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