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[quote author=ankreds link=topic=41753.msg1169642#msg1169642 date=1283546462]
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/6767882/

looks pretty class in this video...he's actually very calm and skilful on the ball...very rare in an english midfield player.

Really hope he gets some games this season.
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hope we give the lad a chance to develop he is a talented kid .
 
what i love about him is that he doesn't feel the need to impress it seems all natural when he's playing. When he made his debut for us in pre-season he looked like he'd playing footbal for us for years. I think if roy gives him a chance he could be a pivotal part of our team in the future. There's a couple of youngsters i'm really excited about, him, sterling, pacheco and Suso...it would be great if even one of them could come through.
 
[quote author=McNulty link=topic=41753.msg1169702#msg1169702 date=1283552628]
No idea what that's got to do with this thread but what a fucking goal.
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Stunning strike, and one of the best volleys I've seen since Rooney's effort on his début.

Although that recent Inzagi strike was sublime.
 
[quote author=McNulty link=topic=41753.msg1169702#msg1169702 date=1283552628]
No idea what that's got to do with this thread but what a fucking goal.
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Wow. Keeper must have shit himself. 99% of those shots are scuffed or end up in Row Z.
 
watched him in the testimonial and more than deserves to be above lucas in the pecking order, even if it was only a "friendly game"
 
Really like the look of Ngoo aswell. Hopefully we'll see a bit of them against Northamton.
 
Shelvey looks a natural born footballer. Now that doesn't always mean instant success, or a great career, because the the most important bit of a successful top footballer is mentality

But I can't help being excited. He has a lot of natural ability and class.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41753.msg1170164#msg1170164 date=1283710141]
Wasn't he the last player Rafa signed for us, just before he left? Credit to Rafa for that.
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At one point Rafa suggested he knew little about the signing and that Dalglish was responsible for it.
 
I thought that Daglish was the driving force behind the Shelvey and Wilson signings?

Either way, I agree that he looks a player based on what we've seen so far. Here's hoping he gets a few opportunities and lives up to the hype.
 
i dont think he has a manager that will put him on the bench ahead of poulsen or lucas.

if he's far superior to the reserve teams and youth team players he plays with and against, then he should really be in the first team. otherwise playing at that level will just make him feel over confident, complacent, and he'll pick up lazy habits on the pitch.

unfortunately we'll have 2/3 more years of bullshit from poulsen and lucas, completely pointless bullshit. and by then its going to be very hard or at least a huge shock if shelvey comes in. it will be too late for him.
 
Hodgeson is a hugely conservative manager who trusts experience over youth.

He's like Benitez in that respect. Minus the trophies.

Anyone expecting Shelvey or any younbg player to feature much this season knows fuck all about Hodge, or his footballing philosophy
 
What I thunked yesterday was... he's massive.. or at least seems to have the presence of a proper Premier League general. I hate to get optimistic about anything Liverpool related lately but I reckon he looks the bizz.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41753.msg1170183#msg1170183 date=1283712228]
Hodgeson is a hugely conservative manager who trusts experience over youth.

He's like Benitez in that respect. Minus the trophies.

Anyone expecting Shelvey or any younbg player to feature much this season knows fuck all about Hodge, or his footballing philosophy
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I don't know anything to agree or disagree on Hodge's philosophy.

I think there will be a point in our season where he will be forced to look at the 6th midfield player*. It's up to Shelvey to impress. If he has real talent like Gerrard/Owen/Fowler, then he will be hard to ignore.

*We play 3 in the middle and we have (Gerrard, Cole, Poulsen, Meireles and Lucas). Cole's injury troubles, Poulsen's likeliness to pick up suspensions, and Lucas' general shittyness gives me hope that there will be a point when the 6 th player is require. It's not the ideal scenario...but i'll take that to see what Shelvey is made off.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41753.msg1170183#msg1170183 date=1283712228]
Hodgeson is a hugely conservative manager who trusts experience over youth.

He's like Benitez in that respect. Minus the trophies.

Anyone expecting Shelvey or any younbg player to feature much this season knows fuck all about Hodge, or his footballing philosophy
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I think he's less stubborn though, so if a player proves his worth from the bench, or in League Cup games, I think he'd be more inclined than Rafa to give them that little bit more playing time. He might be similarly conservative, but he also does the basics right and sees most of the obvious stuff.
 
It's difficult for him to blood youth because he's under a lot of pressure to a) prove to everyone that he's worthy of the job and b) get us back into the top four, which is going to be very difficult. To be fair, I think any manager in his situation right now would be a little cautious in his approach to youth players.

Maybe we'll see the likes of Kelly, Pacheco et al. get more opportunities in the Europa League and the cups, which as he's said have a low priority this year.
 
Yeah, I'm optimistic about Shelvey.

He seems to have a great touch and has an awareness that you just can't coach into a player.

I hope to see him in all the competitions outside the Premiership.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41753.msg1170183#msg1170183 date=1283712228]
Hodgeson is a hugely conservative manager who trusts experience over youth.

He's like Benitez in that respect. Minus the trophies.

Anyone expecting Shelvey or any younbg player to feature much this season knows fuck all about Hodge, or his footballing philosophy
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I really fear that this will be true. I'm hoping and begging for Hodgson to prove me wrong but if he doesn't, we're going to finish 6th or worse in the league.
 
Hodgson may be conservative, but as Keni says, that's because he's under pressure to get results. He's less stubborn/ideological in his choices than Rafa, though, so I think if he sees that someone like Shelvey is more likely to contribute to a positive result than Lucas/Poulsen, he'll pick him ahead of them. Remember he 'discovered' Poulsen when the blond beast was only 20, so he's not incapable of picking young players...
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41753.msg1170183#msg1170183 date=1283712228]
Hodgeson is a hugely conservative manager who trusts experience over youth.

He's like Benitez in that respect. Minus the trophies.

Anyone expecting Shelvey or any younbg player to feature much this season knows fuck all about Hodge, or his footballing philosophy
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I really fear that this will be true.
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I really don't buy this AT ALL. Based on what? He's identified the weaknesses in the side and acted upon them. Lucas is looking like he's being put to the sidelines, Insua has been replaced, Roy's looked to shape up the midfield with a more attacking, mobile option too.

Ok, so we haven't managed to pick up a striker, but whereas Rafa persevered with a young, isolated N'Gog all last season, I reckon Roy will be more inclined to give him support and give the likes of Babel and Pacheco a go too (and maybe a couple of others).

Already the squad looks a bit better than last season and hopefully Roy will be a bit more flexible in his approach.
 
I really can’t claim to have followed Hodgson’s managerial career before Liverpool, so my fears are founded only on what I’ve seen with his games in charge of us.

Going into the season, the four glaring weaknesses in the squad were back-up striker, central midfield, left-wing and left-back. The only position addressed was left-back through the flogging of Insua and I would have expected that of any Premiership manager. I'll reserve judgment on central midfield as we've lost Mascherano and I have no clue of how good Meireles is. So, to sum up, the negatives:

i) Extremely ‘meh’ transfer window even with the resources at hand. Note the failure to prioritise the signing of a striker and winger over a left-back. If resources were a problem, Kelly/Agger/Aurelio/Wilson could have covered left-back until January. The lack of a back-up striker will cost us dearly. The only way we can ride this out is if Torres stays fit till January. Hodgson will be extremely lucky if so.
ii) Display of favouritism in signing players. He’s already signed two of his former favourites in Konchesky and Poulsen. I understand most managers have their favourites (e.g. Mourinho buying Carvalho), but Konchesky and Poulsen are players of a mid-table standard and have no business being at Liverpool. Having said that, I agree that they may do a solid enough job. However, their combined fee (3.5 million + 4.5 million) could have easily gone towards a striker or a winger.
iii) The Wilson signing (for about 4 million) was also a head-scratcher in terms of management of resources. We had (and still have) four centre-backs ahead of him. If resources were so scarce, why was money wasted on a young centre-back who is unlikely to see playing time this season?
iv) Poor team selection against Man City, Trabzonspor and WBA.
v) Failure to make substitutions at the right time against Man City, Trabzonspor and WBA.
vi) Playing Lucas and N’gog over two clearly superior talents in Shelvey and Pacheco.


A lot of the points above (those regarding transfers and Lucas/N’gog’s abilities) are based, of course, on personal opinions. However, the same are shared by several members on this site and are those, which I believe, will prove to be true over the course of the season.

The rest of the points (regarding team selection) are through observation of limited game time. So Hodgson might indeed prove them to be false. His lack of experience at the top level in the PL doesn’t have me too excited though.
 
ii)Display of favouritism in signing players. He’s already signed two of his former favourites in Konchesky and Poulsen. I understand most managers have their favourites (e.g. Mourinho buying Carvalho), but Konchesky and Poulsen are players of a mid-table standard and have no business being at Liverpool. Having said that, I agree that they may do a solid enough job. However, their combined fee (3.5 million + 4.5 million) could have easily gone towards a striker or a winger.
There is much to disagree with here.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41753.msg1170381#msg1170381 date=1283784148]
ii) Display of favouritism in signing players. He’s already signed two of his former favourites in Konchesky and Poulsen. I understand most managers have their favourites (e.g. Mourinho buying Carvalho), but Konchesky and Poulsen are players of a mid-table standard and have no business being at Liverpool. Having said that, I agree that they may do a solid enough job. However, their combined fee (3.5 million + 4.5 million) could have easily gone towards a striker or a winger.
There is much to disagree with here.
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is or isn't? typo?
 
He signed 2 players he's worked with.......one was 10 years ago, the other was a position which needed addressing cheaply.

Its harsh to claim favouritism based on this. rafa had his favourites too.although with rafa he played them week in week out regardless of form, rather tham resign players. We've seen nothing yet to say roy will do the same
 
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