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Is Raheem our Lionel Messi?

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rurikbird

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Anticipating the question in your head, I'm not saying Raheem is close to being equal to one of the greatest players of all time – that would be laughable and absurd slightly premature. But the way he plays, particularly when Rodgers puts him behind the strikers in the diamond formation, is starting to remind me of some of the things Messi does. In a way, you could say that playing on top of the "diamond" Raheem kind of plays as a "false nine" – because when he gets the ball Suarez and Sturridge often move closer to the wings in order not to block his way upfield and give him passing options. So suddenly the "diamond" starts looking more like Barca's system with a "false 9" and two wing-forwards, where Suarez and Sturridge play the roles of Neimar and Pedro (or Alexis) and Sterling "becomes" Messi.

Early in the season Raheem was instructed to play like our version of Theo Walcott – time his runs and use his pace to run in behind the defensive line. This is perfectly fine and effective (and should have led to a goal in the away game vs Man City – still cannot forgive the bloody linesman), but not very interesting – lots of wingers and strikers in the Premier League do that. But turns out Raheem has something more valuable in his locker. Now he started picking up the ball deep and running AT defenders – and every time he does it defenders back off and retreat or get beaten. Like Messi, Raheem has great acceleration, balance and surprising strength. He can beat defenders from both sides and he can pass too. It will be fascinating to follow his progress; if he keeps developing this side of his game he will become much more than a fine winger.

There is nothing more dangerous and unsettling for defenders than players driving directly at them with the ball, and when this happens not on the wing but through the middle it's far, far more dangerous. On the wing, if you tackle a player successfully the ball goes into touch, if you mistime it you get the kind of free kick that's slightly more dangerous than a corner and if you get beaten, the player might cross the ball or shoot from a tight angle – all relatively low-percentage chances. When an attacking player runs at defenders through the middle, the possible scenarios are far more dangerous for the defending side. The attacking player will either run on goal past the defender, or be brought down for a free-kick in a really dangerous position or they can shoot using the defender as a screen for the keeper. Even after a successful tackle there is a chance the ball will bounce to another attacking player and they could exploit the momentary confusion. I think running at defenders with speed and strength through the middle is the most effective weapon in the modern game and players who can do that are increasingly more highly valued and sought after. For the past few transfer windows, Rodgers was trying his best to buy this kind of player, but maybe it's a stroke of luck that the club's failure to land such a player gave him an idea and a necessity to try developing the young Sterling into this kind of a player (not before trying to do the same thing – and failing – with Moses). Like I said, it will be fascinating to follow Sterling's progress next season. Maybe he can be our Messi after all.
 
Not even close. It's embarrassing to even suggest it after 6 good but hardly amazing months.

Come back if he scores 20 goals and 10 assists next season.

Even then he'd never be our Messi, Messi is a freak of nature who in his bad season this year and still scored 40+ goals! Jesus
 
You're always gonna get stupid comments if you make even a passing comparison to the likes of Messi.

However the lad does have a low sense of gravity, great pace (over a short distance), incredible strength belying his size & an insane amount of skill, so I kinda get where you're coming from, although I wouldn't able used Messi or any other player to make a comparison myself.

I said a while ago that of he continued at his rate of improvement he'll be the most valuable player in the premiership within 2 seasons & I nothing has changed my mind, he's an exceptional talent.
 
Not even close. It's embarrassing to even suggest it after 6 good but hardly amazing months.

Come back if he scores 20 goals and 10 assists next season.

Even then he'd never be our Messi, Messi is a freak of nature who in his bad season this year and still scored 40+ goals! Jesus

tl;dr huh Pat?
 
It is surprising to see how Raheem has grown in stature, maturity and versatility - I think most people probably anticipated him becoming essentially a Walcott type as you say; effective, but a touch limited and predictable, a bit of a one trick pony I guess.

This year he's shown he's much more than that
 
That is exactly why I don't bother to write long posts anymore. Cos u just know some troll would come along and misconstrue your entire post and state exactly the point you clearly refuted earlier in your first sentence.
Then why put Messi in the title at all. Simple. And I'm not a troll thanks
 
You're always gonna get stupid comments if you make even a passing comparison to the likes of Messi.

However the lad does have a low sense of gravity, great pace (over a short distance), incredible strength belying his size & an insane amount of skill, so I kinda get where you're coming from, although I wouldn't able used Messi or any other player to make a comparison myself.

I said a while ago that of he continued at his rate of improvement he'll be the most valuable player in the premiership within 2 seasons & I nothing has changed my mind, he's an exceptional talent.
It's not a stupid comment, the stupid part is putting the two in the same sentence in a comparison way.
In terms of Sterling, he's had a good 6 months and a great 3 months, but let's not get carried away. Let's see him continue into next season before getting too excited.
 
It's not a stupid comment, the stupid part is putting the two in the same sentence in a comparison way.
In terms of Sterling, he's had a good 6 months and a great 3 months, but let's not get carried away. Let's see him continue into next season before getting too excited.
If you read it fully you'd know he wasn't even remotely making a comparison. Just more about their starting position and roles for the team.
 
It's not a stupid comment, the stupid part is putting the two in the same sentence in a comparison way.
In terms of Sterling, he's had a good 6 months and a great 3 months, but let's not get carried away. Let's see him continue into next season before getting too excited.


I can't believe you just compared 3 months and 6 months. They don't belong in the same sentence, they are ninety fucking days apart!
 
I agree with OP

He has all the attributes to be a player LIKE him.

Obviously nowhere near as good, but he could certainly have a good go. If he turns out half as good I'll be shocked and so unbelievably happy
 
Read the post properly and you'll see
I did it's just a silly name to throw in their.
Not to mention the fact that I don't believe Sterling is similar to Messi at all apart from height speed and strength.
Messi's control, vision, dribbling, movement passing finishing,heading are all vastly superior and different to Sterling
 
I guess for the benefit of DB and others, Sterling isn't Messi and never will be. Perhaps the comparing the two is misguided in some ways but in others it's quite interesting. There is something to be said for the fact that Sterling at the tip of the diamond poses a similar'ish dilemma for defenders - come close and I can get past you, stay off me and I can pick out a pass.

Another interesting point is that we're talking about what the mature version of Messi rather than Messi at the age of 19 whose starting position was on the right and was much more of a dribbler than he is now.

I think it's a little unfair to say Sterling has improved beyond all recognition this year. I remember how good he looked at the beginning of last season and starting a thread about the quality of his decision making. His form dipped and he found himself on the bench but that's to be expected with young players.

Let's hope he can continue in this vein next season.
 
I did it's just a silly name to throw in their.
Not to mention the fact that I don't believe Sterling is similar to Messi at all apart from height speed and strength.
Messi's control, vision, dribbling, movement passing finishing,heading are all vastly superior and different to Sterling

Pat - when, for instance, people talk of someone playing 'the Makalele role' do you interpret that as a direct comparison to Claude himself?
 
Not even close. It's embarrassing to even suggest it after 6 good but hardly amazing months.

Come back if he scores 20 goals and 10 assists next season.

Even then he'd never be our Messi, Messi is a freak of nature who in his bad season this year and still scored 40+ goals! Jesus
Honestly.
You're a fucking box of rocks.
 
Pat - when, for instance, people talk of someone playing 'the Makalele role' do you interpret that as a direct comparison to Claude himself?
Yep, no if someone said playing the smart role that would be different.

I guess I'm alone but I see fuck all comparison between Sterlings role and Messi's
 
When Messi broke into the Barcelona first team he played the same role.
Wide with Etoo upfront.
 
When Messi broke into the Barcelona first team he played the same role.
Wide with Etoo upfront.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Sterling hasn't been playing the false 9 for the majority of his time in our team, most often wide right or left and only recently has interchanged with Coutinho in the hole.
Also that 'false 9' business only appeared in the last couple of years long after Eto left Barca.

If the discussion is about the incredible potential Sterling has or how good he can become then great. The rest of the op is simply way off the mark for me.
 
I think id rather eat my own shit than try and have a rational discussion with you.
 
interesting post but its worth noting that Messi only became a central players when the more established start like Etoo and Ronaldinho were moved on and Guardiola built the team around him. Right now Raheem is in a similar situation for me, hes a good attacking option but he is not as big a goal threat as either Suarez or Sturridge so he will have to bide his time and develop his game. The reason Messi excelled when he moved inside is because he was able to pick the ball up deep and glide past 2 or 3 defenders in tight situations, i dont think Raheem has the close control or the vision to replicate that sort of role. I see him more as a wide forward cutting inside like Messi was when he was younger
 
Sorry Redstar. Don't agree with that at all. I love how Sterling IS able to take out 23 defenders and then lay it off or shoot. He's becoming as invaluable to our side as far more senior players.
 
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