Yes I was at the game in '78 but yesterday's goal had a better finish. The third goal was a thing of beauty but we do tend to try and walk it in a little bit to much at times which is great to watch but we have to mix it up with the odd pop from distance.
Goal Rush - The four Season Wonder
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Yes I was at the game in '78 but yesterday's goal had a better finish. The third goal was a thing of beauty but we do tend to try and walk it in a little bit to much at times which is great to watch but we have to mix it up with the odd pop from distance.
I wonder if Salah being greedy is overdone a little bit? I mean, he obviously is greedy and always wants to score, and that's fine, but if you look at assists he is always way up there as well. He undoubtedly does shoot sometimes when he shouldn't really, but it isn't like he never passes.
Aren't there some silly recent rules about players not celebrating? It was one of those where I read something about it, thought it was absurd and then forgot about it. Could be that though, I guess?
Yeah, agree. You know what teammates like most of all? Winning. And Mo contributes to that in spades. Have a feeling he would have done just fine amongst many of our classic teams.
I did not see anyone mentioning Robben here. I think he is a bit similar to Robben but with less usage of physicality compared to Robben. He almost uses the same trick but he is just so damn good at it and getting faster each game at doing the same thing probably; that he somehow manages to put it into the back of the net.
In terms of passing, I do not think he is less in terms of many assist makers in the league. It is just that he has Firmino who has a very unique role in the team and only Mane who is mostly available as the only option.
I would still go on to say, how lucky we are in terms having Salah without any stupid log term injuries, without any off field major issues, or without any on-field red cards or whatever you can add there. In terms of sheer presence and consistent output in terms of football plus trophies, he is better than whatever names are mentioned like Torres or Suarez (not comparing here pure footballing skills here).
In terms of passing, I do not think he is less in terms of many assist makers in the league. It is just that he has Firmino who has a very unique role in the team and only Mane who is mostly available as the only option.
I would still go on to say, how lucky we are in terms having Salah without any stupid log term injuries, without any off field major issues, or without any on-field red cards or whatever you can add there. In terms of sheer presence and consistent output in terms of football plus trophies, he is better than whatever names are mentioned like Torres or Suarez (not comparing here pure footballing skills here).
I mean he's in our top 5 all time players right? Top 2 of the last 30 years alongside Gerrard
Salah must a nightmare to defend against. He makes all these little false feints, darts and twitches. Sells more dummies than Mothercare. He sometimes fools himself and runs straight into defenders. It's a rollacoaster ride with Mo..so we have to take the highs and the lows, part of the deal. We signed an emotional contract with him when he signed for us and I'm sure we'll be with him right to the end of the ride.
It's close, but Suarez is better in my eyes. Salah is more productive, but playing in a significantly better side. I reckon Suarez would have matched Mo's goal as well as more magic all over the pitch. But it's all hypothetical. The fact we've had both has been brilliant.
In the last 30 years..
Football ability wise Id rate him better than Gerrard tbh..
Best player at the club since John Barnes, then Kenny before that..
Simple really.. he is that good...
My Top 10 in my lifetime
Kenny
Barnes
Salah
Gerrard
Suarez
Rush
Fowler
Firmino
Beardsley
Torres / Mane
Football ability wise Id rate him better than Gerrard tbh..
Best player at the club since John Barnes, then Kenny before that..
Simple really.. he is that good...
My Top 10 in my lifetime
Kenny
Barnes
Salah
Gerrard
Suarez
Rush
Fowler
Firmino
Beardsley
Torres / Mane
The last 3 games I've felt like Salah was playing for the team, and not himself.
And lo and behold, he's scored 4 goals in that time, and Mane/Bobby have also got themselves on the score sheet.
Salah is at his worst at the start/end of each season when he's thinking about the golden boot too much, as opposed to when he's at his best, when he plays relaxed and is just thinking about how he can help us win games.
And lo and behold, he's scored 4 goals in that time, and Mane/Bobby have also got themselves on the score sheet.
Salah is at his worst at the start/end of each season when he's thinking about the golden boot too much, as opposed to when he's at his best, when he plays relaxed and is just thinking about how he can help us win games.
I have always fucking loved him btw. Not like the racists.
I think deep down we know Salah is boss but I think some fans are behaving in that defensive manner the type of way you would act of you had been cheated on... Salah has gone from cute Liverpool player status to main man, so of course we are nervous, we've been here before when we've seen someone's character and reputation grow like Salahs has...were scared he will leave us so there's an element of "he's not all that"so that when/if he does leave it won't hurt as much.
I think Salah is a much better player than Torres, Torres was a great strong tall and fast striker but he was much more one dimensional than Salah.
Salah actually to me is a cross between Ronaldo and Messi....he has that single bloody mindedness and determination of Christian Ronaldo but also a little bit of that running at defenders flair that Messi has. Salah is just as likely to score after a mazy dribble as he is to score with an ugly ricochet tap in goal, you just can't stop him.
I think Salah is a much better player than Torres, Torres was a great strong tall and fast striker but he was much more one dimensional than Salah.
Salah actually to me is a cross between Ronaldo and Messi....he has that single bloody mindedness and determination of Christian Ronaldo but also a little bit of that running at defenders flair that Messi has. Salah is just as likely to score after a mazy dribble as he is to score with an ugly ricochet tap in goal, you just can't stop him.
Personality aside Saurez was a monster of a player, it's hard to compare Salah and Suarez... Both players are adept at running with the ball, but I think we have to remember that Suarez pretty had a free role that Salah doesn't really have. Salah is instructed to protect Trent and cover the right side of the pitch. Suarez was literally everywhere, in some ways that made Suarez look flashier and more impressive but you can't argue with what's Salah has to do, playing in a high intensity pressing team, constantly defending and counter attacking. And of course Saurez never had dreamy six pack like Salahs lol.
Yeah I've always wondered if this has coloured the general opinion of Salah, I'm glad he is raising the profile of Arabic/African players. I wonder if he was blue eyed blonde and smashed a beer glass in honour of Thor evey time he's scored instead of facing Mecca would some rate him more highly...oh well...
To a degree I don't get this 'not a fan favourite'. At the match the crowd adore him and constantly sing his song (which he loves). He might not be everyone's favourite player but that's more because we have a whole team of loveable players and loyalties amongst fans are divided. We've not seen that since we dominated English & European football.
Cats can be cunts but still loveable. Loveable cunts.
I always find the KdB love in somewhat amusing. Yes he can be brilliant at times but there are many games where he just disappears or isn't on it at all. These seem to get brushed under the carpet whilst commentators (both at the game and in the studio) wax lyrical about the one (Trent-like) pass that created a goal.
I find the love-in self-perpetuating.
That's what I was about to go in search of.
This season KdB (in assists alone) is one behind Kane and one ahead of Fernandes and Grealish. Combined so far this season :
Kane 23
Fernandes 21
Mo & Son 18
Vardy 16
Bamford/Wilson/Grealish 15
Rashford/KdB 13
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Mane/Ings/Firmino/Sterling/Lacazette/Watkins/Barnes 10
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Robertson 6
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TAA 4
Pogba 3
Matip 3
Havertz 3
In a way the KdB argument is more about artistic merit than effectiveness, which is sort of where the Suarez argument sits too. Doing things no other player in the game can do is eye catching even if youre not doing them every game.
Suarez scored more spectacular goals, he was more individually brilliant. But he also scored less goals and had less assists for his team mates and won less games. Salah doesnt have the same artistry as a player that Suarez did in his prime, but by most metrics people would use to evaluate forwards hes clearly ahead of him.
Suarez scored more spectacular goals, he was more individually brilliant. But he also scored less goals and had less assists for his team mates and won less games. Salah doesnt have the same artistry as a player that Suarez did in his prime, but by most metrics people would use to evaluate forwards hes clearly ahead of him.
Quite, I don't really get the racial/cultural aspect being a reason at all. He's a great player and probably one of the first names that gets printed on the back of kids shirts.
Mane is a Senegalese Muslim, it has zero bearing on what people think of him as a player.
I'd put it down to two subtle, simple differences between the two. Mane is all smiles and has a positive demeanor, he's not particularly greedy on the pitch, not to the point where it's been mentioned as a problem, he plays for the team and he's a crucial part of that, without it ever having been the case that he carries us and he knows it. Whereas Salah is alot more single minded, to the point where his body language makes it immediately evident there is a problem. Not that Mane hasn't thrown the odd tantrum too, but I feel he's been alot more patient at times before snapping, whereas Salah has repeatedly gotten away with being a bit more selfish, while evidently sulking when things don't go his way.
It's almost like a slightly less obvious version of Michael Owen, when it comes to Salah. Owen was a more self focused and career minded player than Fowler (for example) and that had a slightly negative effect on his relationship with the fans. Not that he wasn't adored too, but you always got the impression that he was much more of a careerist who was focused on individual triumphs above what the team achieved.
I have always had that same niggling feeling with Salah. I love him as a player, I think he's brilliant to watch and a generally, genuinely nice personality, I thought the same about Owen, (yeah he was boring, but not malicious), but always had that sinking feeling that he would one day leave us for what he considered a bigger and better club, or just simply a new challenge. Salah will probably do the same, but he's won everything with us. It'll be a shame when/if he does eventually go, but it won't be a surprise one bit.
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Suarez in his pomp years for us and Barca was an absolute machine. Suarez was playing in a significantly weaker side than Salah as well during his time here.
Suarez prime years:
2012-2018 - 279 league appearances - 213 league goals.
Salah prime years
2015-2021 - 265 league appearances 149 league goals.
I wouldn't subscribe to the view that Salah was clearly a better forward. If anything it's extremely debatable.
I’d have loved that prime Suarez in a front 3 with the current Salah and Mané.
Yeah, Suarez under Klopp would have been insane. 14 goals in 16 this season, so he's still got it.
I was very much dreaming about that in the summer before he went to Atletico. Although I am not sure he would have preferred leaving Spain.
Yeah, I thought that was way over the top from Souness. He is single minded but he does create, pass, and track backs incessantly. In fact, sometimes when we are 2 up and he’a in our defensive 3rd tracking back in the 70th min, I’m screaming at him to calm it down and chill. Souness is at times is forever looking for a headline at times nowadays like Keane.
I do hear he’s a really lovely bloke in private...
Love salah but I've always preferred sadio, a man who like salah is a proud practicing Muslim... I have yet to see our fans not rate either as all time greats as they've dominated the last few years... I sincerely hope both posts are more tongue in cheek.
I struggle to believe that there is any kind of racial element.
There was definitely a lot more love for Salah in his first season because we were all so blown away and he was scoring ridiculous goals every game it felt like.
Since then he's still been still been amazing but it's not quite the same edge of your seat stuff that it was in the first season. I don't know if that's had some kind of impact. The whole narrative of him being selfish and only out for himself has though, which had a grain of truth in it but became massively overblown and a bit ridiculous. And also there seemed to be this thing of being either for Mane or Salah - proper playground shit really.
Anyways, we're lucky to have him (and Mane).
There was definitely a lot more love for Salah in his first season because we were all so blown away and he was scoring ridiculous goals every game it felt like.
Since then he's still been still been amazing but it's not quite the same edge of your seat stuff that it was in the first season. I don't know if that's had some kind of impact. The whole narrative of him being selfish and only out for himself has though, which had a grain of truth in it but became massively overblown and a bit ridiculous. And also there seemed to be this thing of being either for Mane or Salah - proper playground shit really.
Anyways, we're lucky to have him (and Mane).
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