Goal Rush - The four Season Wonder

[Dreambeliever]

Well he’s bloody gone and scored 20+ goals for fourth consecutive season and is the first player to do it since the great Ian Rush.


Salah is a weird one, for a player who’s arguably our greatest modern player he gets more abuse than any player I can remember.

Only a week ago people were saying his form had dropped off a cliff.

He’s only behind legends such as Fowler, Owen and Gerrard now in terms of goal in the pl era.

Has it achieved everything he needs to or does he need to win more here to be there with our biggest legends?

Where does he rank in your top players to play for us?

Realistically to surpass Fowler he’d have to play another 2 years in minimum if not 3.

He has said he’s happy, wants to stay and surpass all records.

Personally I’ll be very sad to see him go buy have never been in awe of him like I was with Fowler, Owen, Torres or Suarez.

 

[RedStar]

Hes much better than Owen or Torres, hes a more complete player than Fowler, only Suarez really stands to comparison as a Liverpool striker in the modern era. Salah has scored more, won more and played more for us than Luis did and without the baggage. Ill take that every time.

I assume the reason hes never been loved in the same fanatical way Suarez and Fernando Torres were is that they both left (along with Coutinho) on bad terms and so created an expectation that we shouldn't get attatched to world class players because inevitably they fuck off. Thats hardly his fault.

Hes a legend in my book, no matter how many trophies he wins from here on. Id love him to stay another 2 years as we rebuild bit If he chooses to go in the summer Id wish him well, hes been incredible.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Hes much better than Owen or Torres, hes a more complete player than Fowler, only Suarez really stands to comparison as a Liverpool striker in the modern era. Salah has scored more, won more and played more for us than Luis did and without the baggage. Ill take that every time.

I assume the reason hes never been loved in the same fanatical way Suarez and Fernando Torres were is that they both left (along with Coutinho) on bad terms and so created an expectation that we shouldn't get attatched to world class players because inevitably they fuck off. Thats hardly his fault.

Hes a legend in my book, no matter how many trophies he wins from here on. Id love him to stay another 2 years as we rebuild bit If he chooses to go in the summer Id wish him well, hes been incredible.

I dunno, I’ve also never seen such a great player routinely make stupid decision of wrong decision on the pitch, I think that’s mainly why I don’t put him as high as Suarez. But no doubt he’s surely up there as our most successful ever signing. Very few if any anticipated his first season or that 4 seasons on he’d still be banging them.

 

[Modo]

I think he's on Suarez level. Imagine if Suarez had the same players around him and took penalties?

 

[Dreambeliever]

I think he's on Suarez level. Imagine if Suarez had the same players around him and took penalties?

Suarez did have Gerrard, Sterling, Sturridge and Coutinho. Hardly rubbish. But ya you won’t find a bigger fan of him than me.

Did you mean to say you don’t think he is?

 

[Modo]

Suarez did have Gerrard, Sterling, Sturridge and Coutinho. Hardly rubbish. But ya you won’t find a bigger fan of him than me.

Did you mean to say you don’t think he is?

Sterling was about 12 and Gerrard past his peak.
I'll give you Sturridge and Coutinho, but Suarez created most of the goals himself it seems.

I don't think Salah is a better striker. I bet if there's a goals to chances stat somewhere he'd be way behind Suarez. I think they're at the same level as strikers or forwards but Salah is bigger player for us now because he's surpassed Suarez in goals scored.

 

[Bradley]

It's crazy the levels he reached. When we bought him, he was to rotate with Mane rather than a starting 11 player.

When it comes to picking an all-time LFC team, you would have to include him, his stats are ridiculous.

 

[tombrown]

Souness was saying yesterday that he is more selfish than any player he ever played with, and Kenny would have ended up fighting with him in the dressing room as a result. That may be a contributory factor to some of the feelings towards him.

When Frim squared the ball to GIni yesterday, I was thinking Mo would never have done that - he would have had a shot himself.

Doesn't bother me, as he backs that selfishness up with goals.

 

[mark1975]

For how great he is statistically and obviously, I still personally preferred Torres at his best and there's no way he's a better player than Suarez was, Suarez literally had everything, he's the best player I've seen since Kenny (for us).

Salah is brilliant, mind. And statistically you can't argue, but for sheer viewing pleasure Suarez was out of this World.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Sterling was about 12 and Gerrard past his peak.
I'll give you Sturridge and Coutinho, but Suarez created most of the goals himself it seems.

I don't think Salah is a better striker. I bet if there's a goals to chances stat somewhere he'd be way behind Suarez. I think they're at the same level as strikers or forwards but Salah is bigger player for us now because he's surpassed Suarez in goals scored.

I still wish we had brought Suarez back. He’s flying this year but ya incredible to think Salah is on track to being up there as our greatest ever player if he stays and wins a few more big trophies,

 

[Modo]

I still wish we had brought Suarez back. He’s flying this year but ya incredible to think Salah is on track to being up there as our greatest ever player if he stays and wins a few more big trophies,

Yeah, he would have been a great back up.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Yeah, he would have been a great back up.

He’d have taken someone’s spot pretty quickly and never given it up

 

[Modo]

He’d have taken someone’s spot pretty quickly and never given it up

Poor the Firmy

 

[MaBigTip]

Salah is a high volume high usage goal getter who scores a handful of similar types of goals. He's amazing and I am too harsh on him most of the time because he could still be better. He is such a hard worker and has improved at everything since he put on a Liverpool shirt. Its a testament to his character and the setup available to him currently.

However, even without the imperious technical ability of Suarez he'd be almost unplayable if his play showed any variation at all.

If he ever just drove past a player on the right to try to cut the ball back or made an inside out run rather than outside in. Its such small margins but if he was just that bit harder to predict he would get that tiny bit more space.

He is superb and has helped push us to the top by being one of the best hammers you can ask for. But Suarez was more like a lock pick set and a dremel tool with maybe a few more attachments mixed into one. Torres was like a Japanese chef's knife. I know thats all abstract but that is my point too. Football is also an art and my mind was titillated more by Suarezs brush strokes.

 

[aquaman4]

The every season who is better and more important to us between Salah and Mane dissolves itself by mid season time.

 

[Richey]

I don't think he gets abuse as such! He probably doesn't get the same praise as some in the past, but actually playing in a great team alongside other great attacking players will mean that. I mean, yes he has just got 20 goals for the fourth season running, but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Mane could achieve the same thing this season.

Other great strikers we have had who have been consistently top scorer and have scored over 20 goals a season have always had times when they would be on 20 or 30 plus and the next one down would have been on 14, 15, 16 or whatever. Salah has never had that. Until now Mane has always also hit the 20 goal mark.

That obviously isn't to say that Salah isn't great but it does help to explain why he isn't singled out as the star striker.

As for where I would rank him against previous players, sentiment aside (as I will probably always prefer Fowler and Rush), I would probably say that Suarez was a more complete player. Whether I would swap Salah for Suarez though, probably not. You don't have to deal with the constant worry that Salah might bite someone or abuse someone at any time and get himself suspended, do you? And Suarez was not SO much better that you can just disregard that!

 

[Athens]

Like others have said, Suarez was some sort of crazy genius. If we were to compare him to an artist he would be Van Gogh, but instead of cutting his own ear off he bites other peoples'.

Salah is more of a... I can't think of any other comparisons to artists as I'm a bit of a philistine. Salah is another great artist who wasn't mental. There you go.

 

[darkstarexodus]

Salah just scores. He's almost a one trick pony in terms of how he does it. He's one-footed. Often doesnt contribute in other areas of the game. He misses chances, sometimes repeatedly. But, my god, how he scores. He just gets it done, eventually. Absolute all time legend.

For artistry, I'll take Suarez over him. But for results, it's Mo every day.

 

[Dreambeliever]

The every season who is better and more important to us between Salah and Mane dissolves itself by mid season time.

I’d take Mane every day of the week but that’s another debate.

 

[Mamma Mia]

It's almost funny watching the mental gymnastics used to justify why he isn't a fan favourite.

Almost.

 

[MomoWASright]

It's almost funny watching the mental gymnastics used to justify why he isn't a fan favourite.

Almost.

Isn’t he? The Egyptian King song says otherwise. When we have fans back that will be belted out as it was pre-pandemic.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Isn’t he? The Egyptian King song says otherwise. When we have fans back that will be belted out as it was pre-pandemic.

I would guess he is, if you sampled the opinions of all fans. I'm just referring to the ones who seem to need a reason to not rate him as highly as his performances and stats deserve.

This is like my post about cat food though. Just musings with no real point on my part.

 

[MomoWASright]

I would guess he is, if you sampled the opinions of all fans. I'm just referring to the ones who seem to need a reason to not rate him as highly as his performances and stats deserve.

This is like my post about cat food though. Just musings with no real point on my part.

Cats are cunts. Like those who are dismissive of Salah’s stats.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Cats are cunts. Like those who are dismissive of Salah’s stats.

This post is conflicting my sensibilities. You get half a like.

 

[Mamma Mia]

When Souness asked Redknapp to name another player as selfish, I was really expecting him to reply "Owen, and it wasn't a bad thing".

 

[Mersey86]

What's your favourite goal that he has scored? The best goal? Chelsea, Everton, Tottenham, Man City or yesterday? Yesterday's goal was very similar to the goal against City last year. Great cross field pass by Trent followed by a near immediate long range cross for Salah to finish. Stunning football each time, bringing to mind the iconic Terry McDermott goal to ice the 7-0 v Tottenham in 1978. Opinions on which was the best? I'm leaning towards yesterday's goal for the quality of finish at the end.

 

[MomoWASright]

Against Man U last season. Everyone else joined me in believing the curse had been lifted.

 

[StevieM]

In a front 3 of our best players - Salah gets the slot on the right - there’s no debate.

If we played with 2 upfront, in any configuration, I don’t think Salah gets in - purely because we have so many other great options.

There might be a good case for him to play RW - but I’m not convinced he’d be the right man there.

 

[Alan Hardaker]

Souness saying after the game that Kenny and others wouldn't tolerate Salah's greediness. Kenny bought Suarez and he could be greedy at times. Salah can on occasion be greedy or maybe we can call it single mindedness rather than greedy. Vast majority of Salah's goals are creative and that's his calling card if yer like. He scores great goals but it obviously doesn't work probably most of the time so being greedy or single minded is part of the deal.

 

[moron]

What's your favourite goal that he has scored? The best goal? Chelsea, Everton, Tottenham, Man City or yesterday? Yesterday's goal was very similar to the goal against City last year. Great cross field pass by Trent followed by a near immediate long range cross for Salah to finish. Stunning football each time, bringing to mind the iconic Terry McDermott goal to ice the 7-0 v Tottenham in 1978. Opinions on which was the best? I'm leaning towards yesterday's goal for the quality of finish at the end.

that is exactly the same memory that came flooding back to me when that goal was scored yesterday (think he headed that ball in last season ?) which is is why even though I loved that we scored - I was not as excited by it as the commentators, I loved his first goal, but the third goal was just beautiful, and the type that I would prefer we scored more of.