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El Judas Speaks - I was getting older, I needed a ring on me finger

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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=44049.msg1278413#msg1278413 date=1296853010]
We should take satisfaction that he'll be remembered as having played his best football with us. 18 months is too long to be called poor form. Hoping he's a Sheva MkII for them.
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This is what I hope will happen ^^^^^^
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=44049.msg1278416#msg1278416 date=1296853552]
I think he'll be good for them, but meh.
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He will be 'alright' for them, but he will never do for then what he did for us, he's past that because of injuries and generally slowing down as he gets older, although he isn't what I'd call slow yet.

Also here he was our only striker and we fed him at every opportunity, in Chelski's Squad he is just A.N. Other, and will have to compete with the other strikers, he won't be the focal point in a 4-4-1-1 or whatever with them.
 
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=44049.msg1278413#msg1278413 date=1296853010]
We should take satisfaction that he'll be remembered as having played his best football with us. 18 months is too long to be called poor form. Hoping he's a Sheva MkII for them.
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This is what I hope will happen ^^^^^^
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Me too, but I think he'll do well for the bastards.

He's been shit for us because he couldnt be arsed.

If he's arsed for them he'll do well. 🙁
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44049.msg1278440#msg1278440 date=1296855746]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44049.msg1278415#msg1278415 date=1296853227]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=44049.msg1278413#msg1278413 date=1296853010]
We should take satisfaction that he'll be remembered as having played his best football with us. 18 months is too long to be called poor form. Hoping he's a Sheva MkII for them.
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This is what I hope will happen ^^^^^^
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Me too, but I think he'll do well for the bastards.

He's been shit for us because he couldnt be arsed.

If he's arsed for them he'll do well. 🙁
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So it was catch 22 for us really. He was never going to be boss for us again, but in releasing him, he probably will be boss and strengthen a rival. That being said, it was still clearly the right decision because he was holding us back. That sounds fucking stupid that having one of the world's best players was inhibiting us, but I actually think that it is true.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44049.msg1278440#msg1278440 date=1296855746]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44049.msg1278415#msg1278415 date=1296853227]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=44049.msg1278413#msg1278413 date=1296853010]
We should take satisfaction that he'll be remembered as having played his best football with us. 18 months is too long to be called poor form. Hoping he's a Sheva MkII for them.
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This is what I hope will happen ^^^^^^
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Me too, but I think he'll do well for the bastards.

He's been shit for us because he couldnt be arsed.

If he's arsed for them he'll do well. 🙁
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However well he does, he wont outscore Suarez & Carroll combined.
 
Yous lots arent very good at fucking moving on are ya?

I leave you alone for A DAY and we have 6 Torres related threads.

He's gone. Talk about summink else FFS.
 
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=44049.msg1278399#msg1278399 date=1296849756]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44049.msg1278395#msg1278395 date=1296849421]
Did he really take a pay cut to come to Liverpool? I never heard that before. I thought we made him one of the highest paid players around.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article2013172.ece
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How did I not remember that?

Oh yeah, I'm an alky.
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and possibly one of the greatest posters on a forum I have known in ten years of frequenting the internet. When the best of the best, such as Gene, Robinho, Oncy, Sheik, Mark, Jon, Anita, Vlad et al all post, thats some going.

The coarseness of a Quadraspaz, combined with the eloquence of a Vlad and the levelheadedness of a Mark. Brill.

Now where the fuck is that sexual deviant SR & Peggy?
 
So it was catch 22 for us really. He was never going to be boss for us again, but in releasing him, he probably will be boss and strengthen a rival. That being said, it was still clearly the right decision because he was holding us back. That sounds fucking stupid that having one of the world's best players was inhibiting us, but I actually think that it is true.
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No, I think thats spot on Doc.
 
There is not much wrong he has said there. But like Oncy says, we must move on.

Also why does he feel he has got very little time at 26? Does he know something about his knee?

If so we did absolutely very well getting rid off him and netting 50mil in the process. It will have to go down as the deal of the century.
 
What he means is he is entering his peak years and Liverpool won't have champions league football for another season, at least. By moving in January he also gets a chance to win it this year with the other rent boys.
 
I never kissed the Liverpool badge, says Chelsea's Fernando Torres

Dominic Fifield The Guardian, Saturday 5 February 2011 Article history

Fernando Torres knows what awaits him. The deafening din that erupts within Stamford Bridge when his name is announced prior to kick-off, a discordant tumult of adulation from all sides and rasped chants of "traitor" from those in one corner of the Shed end will testify to the emotion exposed by his leaving Liverpool. Yet, clad in Chelsea blue, the Spaniard will retain his sang-froid. His is merely a job that has to be done.

It was the professional detachment that struck most of all at Torres's unveiling as a £50m player. There was excitement, he admitted, in having forced through and completed his move to London. There were regrets, too, at the perceived broken promises that had tainted his final years as a Liverpool player. But, when it came to loyalty and the bonds from which he had wrenched free at Anfield, he offered only brutal honesty. "I never kissed the Liverpool badge," he said. "I see some players do that one week after they join a club but the romance in football has gone. It's different now. People come and leave. When you join a club you want to do the best for yourself and for that club. That's all. Some people like to kiss the badge. I only want to score goals, do my job and achieve all the targets the team has. We share the same targets."

In that respect, and for now at least, Torres has found a more comfortable home. The Spaniard will never be forgiven for abandoning Liverpool on transfer deadline day but he had departed a club entrenched in a long-term rebuilding programme and embroiled in a hopeless game of catch?up to return to the Champions League. He has joined one who still hope to retain the title and are contenders for the European Cup. The 26-year-old may have won a European Championships and a World Cup, but his honours at club level are limited to a Second Division title with Atletico Madrid, the one club for whom he admits an emotional attachment. The medals were supposed to come on Merseyside; now they might in the capital.

Chelsea had offered him an escape route he could not turn down. He is hurt that he has been portrayed as the guilty party in an ugly divorce, a player who had left Liverpool with no option but to over-pay for a raw replacement, but he will live with the abuse he receives from those he left behind. Torres said he had made it clear to John W Henry and Kenny Dalglish some "10 to 12 days" before the closure of the window, after Chelsea's initial £28m bid, that he wished to leave. "They were pushing really hard for me," he said. "I really wanted to leave Liverpool, so I told them straight. Everything was clear. It's about being fair and honest with everyone."

His desire to leave was steeped in his own sense of betrayal. He felt misled in the last year of the George Gillett and Tom Hicks regime and further frustrated by pledges to strengthen from the now departed chief executive, Christian Purslow, which had gone unfulfilled. "It's not just the last summer, really, but the last two years," he said. "Especially with the old owners. I'm sure players like Jamie Carragher understand my decision. When I was at Liverpool, it was a big disappointment for me when [Xabi] Alonso and [Javier] Mascherano left. But I understood they were moving to other great clubs and needed to do that for their careers.

"Last summer, with the change of manager and the sale process very serious, I was excited about the new season and heard the big expectations. But it's best to be honest about what you can achieve every year. People were talking about Liverpool winning the Premier League or finishing in the Champions League places but maybe the club has to go slowly. Step by step. I could see from the beginning, when we were in the relegation zone with a month gone, that it would not be like that. I wanted to help the team to get out of there and back in the top four, and they're closer now and moving in the right direction.

"The new owner, John Henry, has the right ambition to get things back to what they were, but they need time. Maybe they will need the time while I'm at my best age to play football. I explained my situation to them, my feelings, and was honest and face to face. But wWhen you have an opportunity to play for a team who have a chance of winning the Champions League and the Premier League, and you are the right age to do that and compete with the best, you can't say 'no'. To call me a 'traitor' makes no sense. I played three very good seasons there, and left them with massive money, scored lots of goals and put in good performances. I helped the sale process as well. But I have to think about my career, and this is a step forward."

Steven Gerrard, a player who resisted making this same journey twice in the past, was apparently one of the first of his former team-mates to telephone Torres and congratulate him on the transfer. There is a similar rebuilding process under way at Chelsea as that required at Liverpool, though it may not be as extensive and, critically, it should be carried out while the first-team continue to compete.

Roman Abramovich saw his squad's annual wage bill rise to £172.5m for the financial year ending June 2010, some £40m more than that of Manchester City at the time, and Torres and the £21.5m defender David Luiz have now been added to Carlo Ancelotti's options. There will be further spending in the summer.

The owner's commitment is beyond doubt. "He made a big effort to buy me," said Torres. "The value of players is going down in football, but he paid big money for me because he has confidence in my ability. I know his plans for the future: building a great team; competing with Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur; fighting to be the best club in England and the best in Europe. And that's also what I want. I've won honours with Spain but, when I'm 40 or 45, I'd like to look back at my careerand see pictures of me as a champion for my club. To play against Liverpool in my first game for Chelsea will be a strange and difficult occasion, certainly emotionally. But I'm excited by this new era that I have in front of me."

If ever final proof were needed that he's the most selfish narcissistic cunt ever formed, that's it right there.
 
What exactly has he said wrong there.

Especially this part is all fair.
To call me a 'traitor' makes no sense. I played three very good seasons there, and left them with massive money, scored lots of goals and put in good performances. I helped the sale process as well. But I have to think about my career, and this is a step forward."


Let's face it, we are never going to be happy when a player we like leaves.

How do we have the right to turn around and call someone selfish?

Yes, it is selfish, but we are too and that is how things are. We need to get on with it.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44049.msg1278532#msg1278532 date=1296874611]
What exactly has he said wrong there.

Especially this part is all fair.
To call me a 'traitor' makes no sense. I played three very good seasons there, and left them with massive money, scored lots of goals and put in good performances. I helped the sale process as well. But I have to think about my career, and this is a step forward."


Let's face it, we are never going to be happy when a player we like leaves.

How do we have the right to turn around and call someone selfish?

Yes, it is selfish, but we are too and that is how things are. We need to get on with it.
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How?

I'll tell you how.

He did indeed help with the sale process; by helping the cheating cunts tap him up 12 days before the deadline; and by forcing the move by making a demand to leave 3 days before the window closed. The move was calculated to bring the price down as much as possible which it di, and which forced the club to vastly overpay for Andy Carroll, even if he is a very promising player.

This was done to give advantage to Chelsea in negotiations; and London media cunts now attempting to whitewash his actions by hinting at 'broken promises' made by the previsou owners or Purslow or whatever dont change that.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44049.msg1278533#msg1278533 date=1296874958]

He did indeed help with the sale process; by helping the cheating cunts tap him up 12 days before the deadline; and by forcing the move by making a demand to leave 3 days before the window closed. The move was calculated to bring the price down as much as possible which it di, and which forced the club to vastly overpay for Andy Carroll, even if he is a very promising player.

This was done to give advantage to Chelsea in negotiations; and London media cunts now attempting to whitewash his actions by hinting at 'broken promises' made by the previsou owners or Purslow or whatever dont change that.
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You have a think about this when you are calmer.

* We put in a 50m pound break clause in his contract, and they matched that. It is believed to be no-installment/straight cash deal as well. Once we have added that clause, we are not very likely to get anything more than that are we? So we didn't get raped there.
* Newcastle was not going to let the future England no.9 go for anything less. We could negotiate all summer, and would still end up paying over 30 million. We weren't raped in that deal as well.
* If you put Henry's interview alongside this and see it's fairly evident that all parties wanted this move to happen...Torres, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle. It seems the powers that be at our club valued Torres at Carroll + 15m and they got that.


He wanted to go and let us know, but gave us very little time, but we still negotiated this without making a compromise....


time to move on mate.
 
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[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44049.msg1278533#msg1278533 date=1296874958]

He did indeed help with the sale process; by helping the cheating cunts tap him up 12 days before the deadline; and by forcing the move by making a demand to leave 3 days before the window closed. The move was calculated to bring the price down as much as possible which it di, and which forced the club to vastly overpay for Andy Carroll, even if he is a very promising player.

This was done to give advantage to Chelsea in negotiations; and London media cunts now attempting to whitewash his actions by hinting at 'broken promises' made by the previsou owners or Purslow or whatever dont change that.
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You have a think about this when you are calmer.

* We put in a 50m pound break clause in his contract, and they matched that. It is believed to be no-installment/straight cash deal as well. Once we have added that clause, we are not very likely to get anything more than that are we? So we didn't get raped there.
* Newcastle was not going to let the future England no.9 go for anything less. We could negotiate all summer, and would still end up paying over 30 million. We weren't raped in that deal as well.
* If you put Henry's interview alongside this and see it's fairly evident that all parties wanted this move to happen...Torres, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle. It seems the powers that be at our club valued Torres at Carroll + 15m and they got that.


He wanted to go and let us know, but gave us very little time, but we still negotiated this without making a compromise....


time to move on mate.
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We've already moved on.

He is dead to the club.
 
It's all very logical...

Some things jump out...

The departure of Alonso and Masher, and failure to replace with equals.. the fact he (and other Spaniards) see Liverpool as not in the same league (for now), the fact that MAYBE if we had a manager appointed back in June, that had kept us in the running for the CL, we might not have this issue...

With the right manager and investment - both of which we seem to have, we should be back in no time challenging for European Places (CL). It does concern me that maybe the old guard (like Pepe) might be the next to leave - I don't want all our talent going to other clubs. They should be able to realize their ambition here..
 
Ya. I hold no attachment to him either.

But if i got the chance, i'll stand and applaud when he next visits Anfield.

He does still have the best ever goals to game ratio at Anfield in our history. He has played 3 very good seasons where he has nearly scored every time he has played at Anfield. It doesn't change that.

Booing and calling him a traitor is pointless. He has been as selfish as we all want to be....as he says he does not see the romance in football anymore. What can you do about it? But the fact that he played exceptionally well for us, is irrefutable and may be we should recognize that when he does play against us in the future.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44049.msg1278531#msg1278531 date=1296874132]
If ever final proof were needed that he's the most selfish narcissistic cunt ever formed, that's it right there.
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Which part Ryan?
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=44049.msg1278542#msg1278542 date=1296876657]
It's all very logical...

Some things jump out...

The departure of Alonso and Masher, and failure to replace with equals.. the fact he (and other Spaniards) see Liverpool as not in the same league (for now), the fact that MAYBE if we had a manager appointed back in June, that had kept us in the running for the CL, we might not have this issue...

With the right manager and investment - both of which we seem to have, we should be back in no time challenging for European Places (CL). It does concern me that maybe the old guard (like Pepe) might be the next to leave - I don't want all our talent going to other clubs. They should be able to realize their ambition here..

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I worry only about Stevie, and i think unless we get relegated, he will finish his career with us. Carra will most certainly finish his career with us and it is already nearing an end anyway.

All the other players are replaceable for me. Pepe is probably one exception to this. He is a great character too, i hope he stays for another 10 years with us, but i realize there is a very realistic possibility that he may want out.

I hope, we don't get into a situation in the future where we have too many players from any one non-british country at the same time in our club. As it happened with all the Spaniards, they tend to all leave in a clutch, similar to how they all usually arrive.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44049.msg1278544#msg1278544 date=1296876869]
Ya. I hold no attachment to him either.

But if i got the chance, i'll stand and applaud when he next visits Anfield.

He does still have the best ever goals to game ratio at Anfield in our history. He has played 3 very good seasons where he has nearly scored every time he has played at Anfield. It doesn't change that.

Booing and calling him a traitor is pointless. He has been as selfish as we all want to be....as he says he does not see the romance in football anymore. What can you do about it? But the fact that he played exceptionally well for us, is irrefutable and may be we should recognize that when he does play against us in the future.

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I agree about not booing Torres, but for practical reasons only, namely that it could slip his leash and make him really perform. I simply don't accept that "we all want to be" as selfish as he has been, most especially in respect of the timing of his transfer request, which was calculated to put the club over a barrel and ensure we couldn't stand in his way. He did play very well for us for a long time, but latterly he's pretty much been working to rule and that, combined with the manner and timing of his departure, makes your approach over-generous IMO.
 
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