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Danny Agger ... Round II

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If we were in the top four maybe we could, but off the top of my head I can't think of anyone whom we could afford who'd want to come.

This is the whole point, isn't it?

Many of us have bemoaned the fact for years that we don't have someone to dominate the air and so provide the complement that both Agger and Skrtel clearly need. Unfortunately players of Sami's ilk, or even imitations of his ilk, are few and far between. As such the only real option is to work on improving the two of them.

As Macca suggests, perhaps when we've begun to re-establish ourselves in the upper reaches of the table we'll have the freedom to make an offer to the right one. Until then I'm doubtful we'll find a better partnership. If I'm honest, while Agger was caught with two goals from errors, I thought both our full backs were the worst performers of the night. I haven't seen Johnson give the ball away so often in two seasons and Enrique seemed to think it was a competition.
 
What really baffled me was the lack of CB links during the Summer.

I know Skrtel and Agger looked decent as a CB pairing last Season but one Swallow and all that. Ever so obvious we lacked a powerful, commanding presence alongside one of them. Blatantly obvious back then, blatantly obvious today.
I think it was budget constraints. And at the time, it was our attack that needed improving. So we didn't have the luxury of having a few quid set aside for a CB. As it turned out, we never got our striker, but fortunately Suarez came to life and started scoring for fun.
 
I know it's in your nature to focus on micro rather than macro khl, but it's becoming pretty tiresome. If you look at the post in its entirety, rather than focusing on a few sentences in isolation, then the message becomes clear.

I was speaking of Skrtel's progress. He has shown steady improvement, whereas Agger has been flattering to deceive for years now. In the last four seasons Skrtel has scored 9 goals, with his best haul last year. That's progress. By contrast, Agger has scored 5 goals in the last four seasons, compared with 6 goals in the previous four seasons. That's not progress. Do you see?

Goals are very much an aside for a defender however, so forgive me if I don't engage you in a three page discussion about it.
Progress is a relative matter isn't it?

One could argue that Lucas has progressed far more than Gerrard over the past few years. Still doesn't make him the better player.

And I don't think Agger has failed to deliver for years either. That's pretty much going over the top.

Ah well, you want to keep Skrtel and sell Agger. I am all for the opposite if one were to make way. We don't have to agree.
 
I think it was budget constraints. And at the time, it was our attack that needed improving. So we didn't have the luxury of having a few quid set aside for a CB. As it turned out, we never got our striker, but fortunately Suarez came to life and started scoring for fun.
I get that and I think you are right.

I am nore sure it was the right approach however. Both the CB and DM positions looked unbalanced why you'd expect at least one player in that area was to be brought in.I get we where desperate for more fire power, especially as Carroll wasn't to be given a chance. I doubt though he'd be less inspirational so far than say Borini.

Allen came in instead and has, unsuccessfully, been asked to play as DM a few times. I think Rodgers made some mistakes here really, and he probably is aware of this, why I hope we come Summer will see these issues being addresses.
 
Progress is a relative matter isn't it?

One could argue that Lucas has progressed far more than Gerrard over the past few years. Still doesn't make him the better player.

And I don't think Agger has failed to deliver for years either. That's pretty much going over the top.

Ah well, you want to keep Skrtel and sell Agger. I am all for the opposite if one were to make way. We don't have to agree.

Amen to that.
 
He's the classiest defender we've had for 20 years. I don't care that much if he's poor at present, he's still a damn sight better than anyone else out there whom we could now afford.

Means fuck all if he cant do the basics of defending. Too many times this season he's been at fault for goals we've conceded.
On he other hand, Skrtel makes one or two and is slated/dropped.
 
Any words on Agger yesterday? Dropped even from the bench. I thought every senior player flew to Russia!
He'll play come Swansea alongside Carra.

One of the few things that have worked with Agger this Season is his body. He's not once been asked to play away from home in the EL so I wouldn't put to much emphasis on that.

What's peoples thinking about Skrtel's performance last night btw?

To me, he looked like a player that have resigned to the fact he's leaving soon. At least if Rodgers stays at the helm.

Nervous, erratic and for his normal standards, remarkably poor on the ball.
 
He looked rusty and with no confidence. Hardly surprising though.

Still, though the did ok. Not many costly errors
 
Can you explain how Agger, whom has never excelled at adding goals to his game, has yet scored more than Skrtel

He's scored one less league goal in a Liverpool career that's one season more than Skrtel's. He's scored more overall but only just. It's a moot point anyway, as people keep trying to say, yet you keep focusing on it as a means to win a pointless "who's better" argument that only you seem to be having.

Like we've always said, if Skrtel was Danish and Agger was a Solvak, this debate would go the other way. The truth is, there's about as much of a muchness about them, they were both promising defenders who've largely failed to push on that extra yard to make them clear top quality players. And I don't give a shit about a tenuous link with Barca because of how elegant he is.
 
He's scored one less league goal in a Liverpool career that's one season more than Skrtel's. He's scored more overall but only just. It's a moot point anyway, as people keep trying to say, yet you keep focusing on it as a means to win a pointless "who's better" argument that only you seem to be having.

Like we've always said, if Skrtel was Danish and Agger was a Solvak, this debate would go the other way. The truth is, there's about as much of a muchness about them, they were both promising defenders who've largely failed to push on that extra yard to make them clear but top quality players. And I don't give a shit about a tenuous link with Barca because of how elegant he is.
Read Del's post Mark and then my reply. Cheers.
 
Bad news for the haters.

Rodgers believes Agger is one of the best defenders in Europe, according to a piece on the official today.
 
"We've had to manage Daniel all the way through the season. It was another example of him not coming out to make sure he was okay for the weekend game. He stayed at home and trained - he'll be fine for the weekend. He's been outstanding this season, he has got that real warrior spirit. There is no blame on individuals, it's us as a group and a team.

In his last three or four games, we haven't defended as well as a group as we had done. We arrived into the West Brom game with the best home defensive record in the league so it shows there's a lot of great work going on. He's one of the top European centre-halves and we're very happy to have him here."
 
Bad news for the haters.

Rodgers believes Agger is one of the best defenders in Europe, according to a piece on the official today.

So you're a 'hater' if you call a spade a spade?

No-ones saying Agger's shite, just that he's made some bad mistakes this season.
 
Means fuck all if he cant do the basics of defending. Too many times this season he's been at fault for goals we've conceded.
On he other hand, Skrtel makes one or two and is slated/dropped.

He can do the basics of defending. He's just out of form. But this will go on going round in circles.
 
Bad news for the haters.

Rodgers believes Agger is one of the best defenders in Europe, according to a piece on the official today.

Oh, well there it is then, Rodgers says so. He's hardly going to say different considering he's persevering with a walking fuck up.
 
Maybe. I have my doubts though. Carra will retire and Coates will be sold.
We need at least 2 new centre backs.

I hope to God one of them is not Ashley Williams.
 
I've been watching Borussia Dortmund's games the last few weeks. Subotic was injured, so Hummels and the 3rd choice defender Santana were playing in those games at CD. They conceded a lot of goals: 2 against Leverkusen (3:2 win), 4 against Hamburg (1:4 loss), 2 in Donetsk (2:2 draw). All that time Hummels looked very poor, arguably worse than Agger did lately for us. He mistakes were directly responsible for 1 or 2 goals in every of these games, he was punished by opponents for trying to do too much, losing the ball, misjudging situations, losing his marker… Despite the frequent mistakes, he didn't lose his elegance and the air of nonchalance which made him look even worse. I started to hate him a little bit.

Well, today Subotic returned. Borussia got a clean sheet against 4th place Eintracht (3:0 win), despite playing for much of the game with 10 men. Hummels looks majestic as ever, reading everything, cool and efficient. Which really for me drove the point about CB partnership and its importance. Put together an aerially and positionally dominant CB and a more proactive, ball-playing one and they both look great. Remove a part of this equation and you got a big problem. Maybe there is something about "ball-playing" CB that makes them particularly vulnerable to this, I don't know.
 
Good post. Hummels has looked awful in the games were Subotic has been injured.
Rodgers seem to rate Agger highely, so if he's going to be one of the starting centre backs then his partner should have the qualities Agger lack.
No nonsense, tough as nails and dominant in the air.
 
One day people will have the imagination to recommend players that aren't fashionable on Fifa.


Howedes and Hummels (& Subotic for that matter) have been mentioned for 2-3 years already ... but that probably tells you we didn't have a chance with them!
 
"We've had to manage Daniel all the way through the season. It was another example of him not coming out to make sure he was okay for the weekend game. He stayed at home and trained - he'll be fine for the weekend. He's been outstanding this season, he has got that real warrior spirit. There is no blame on individuals, it's us as a group and a team.

No he hasn't been outstanding and if its "we're all in this together" why do you criticise players in the press?

Rodgers is starting to come out with the same shite Hodgson did.
 
No he hasn't been outstanding and if its "we're all in this together" why do you criticise players in the press?

Rodgers is starting to come out with the same shite Hodgson did.
Thought that was a but strange as well. Singled out Skrtel, Enrique, Henderson and Downing already.
 
No he hasn't been outstanding and if its "we're all in this together" why do you criticise players in the press?

Rodgers is starting to come out with the same shite Hodgson did.

Hodgeson and Rodgers are so far apart that its unbelivable.
 
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