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Match Thread Arsenal (a) - Sun October 27th 16:30


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Hahaha, Slot’s personality is starting to show more and more. Must-watch moment talking about his yellow card.

Yes. Slot came across very confident and reassured. And good. And that is because he was honest. He told honestly what happened and what he thought and he used the same expression twice. Good for him.

It also tells a whole lot about Arsenal. They were at home, they are supposed to be fighting for the league, they were 2:1 up, and they did time wasting. I haven't watched Arteta's Arsenal much, but I was greatly disappointed with that. And that's also why they lost the momentum and the belief in the second half, and why they let Liverpool back into the game. I actually thought Liverpool lost a great opportunity to get all 3 points during the last segment of that game. If you keep doing time wasting then that means that you do not act on the basis of actual objective skills involved. You avoid capability and focus on faking things and time wasting. And then things like that start permeating your team. And the next thing you know your own team doesn't believe it can do it any more. Can't hold possession. Can't control the game. Etc., etc.

Slot put them in their place very, very well in this press conference.
 

Great run and a great assist by Nunez.

That actually IS a great assist. It is simple and it looks like it is simple. But it is THE PERFECT DECISION AT PRECISELY THE RIGHT TIME. Not many forwards do that. Most forwards are preoccupied and often obsessed with themselves scoring so that they regularly fail to make such simple-looking yet critical plays. Run and an assist.

Also notice the pass back to TAA by Szoboszlai. Szobo always does such things in the middle of the pitch. He is unselfish and releases the ball at the right time to the right player. Szobo's problem is that he himself never gets such balls from others.
 
It was a great assist in the end, but it looked more awkward than it should be. He ran onto the ball which was weighted perfectly and should be in total control but ended up almost falling over... like a donkey...
 
It was a great assist in the end, but it looked more awkward than it should be. He ran onto the ball which was weighted perfectly and should be in total control but ended up almost falling over... like a donkey...
This actually shows how little is generally known about football in places like this. Nunez was readying himself to take a shot. That's why he did those many little steps just prior to making the pass. And that is always what good strikers do. He was readying himself to take a shot and because of that he attracted goalkeepers' and the other defenders' attention. And then at the last moment he realized that the pass is actually a much better option. And he delivered that pass at precisely the right time by breaking his shooting stride/momentum. And that's why that was such a relatively easy tap-in goal for Salah who had half the net wide open.

Actually, that was the perfect play by Nunez. He must threaten the shot to attract attention and open good passing opportunities. That was the perfect play. And the fact he made that pass shows that he can balance both of those things (shooting and passing) and make right decisions at the right time. Not many strikers can do that. That's what makes Nunez great. That was a key assist that he created in a big game, and late in the second half, that delivered 1 point to Liverpool and 2 points away from Liverpool's direct rivals. That's why it is good to have him on the pitch.

From what I remember in the game, that was also pretty much the only opportunity and the only through ball Nunez had in this game. And he executed that opportunity perfectly. In football it is extremely valued when you have a striker that can do nothing for much of the game, or concern himself even with defending, but then when he does get that one opportunity at some point say late in the second half that he remains as clinical as he always is. In the game of football T H A T has always been seen as extremely valuable and a sign of great, great strikers.

I understand that there are many Americans around here. And I think that hockey is a game popular in North America. This what Nunez did in that play is basically the same as when a good hockey player threatens a big slapshot only to end up faking it in order to make a quick through pass for a tap in goal. What you should keep in mind is that a good player must threaten a big slapshot to see whether any passing opportunities will materialize themselves. It is the act of readying himself for the slapshot that opens up such opportunities. And such opportunities can materialize themselves very late so that a hockey player must break that stride very late. That's what good hockey players would do. And that's also exactly the same as what good football players would do, as you can see in that great, great play by Darwin Nunez.
 
It was a great assist in the end, but it looked more awkward than it should be. He ran onto the ball which was weighted perfectly and should be in total control but ended up almost falling over... like a donkey...

In real time I thought he’d done a no look Bobby style pass as he seemed to end up looking the other way. It was only on the replay that I saw it was due to him nearly snapping his own ankle.
 
A point at The Emirates is a good result, but we really could and should have approached this in a way that meant we had all 3 points wrapped up. Arsenal again got us with some of their 'dark arts' and bought fouls all over the pitch, which is clever from them given how dangerous they are from them.

We ran out of steam in the middle, and also severely lacked creativity from both full backs. So given all of this, a draw was a good outcome.

I think we messed up with our midfield in the first half - yes Jones was great against Chelsea but as a double pivot not as the AM. Their first goal came from Ben White having all day long to put a pass over the top - if Szobo was on you know that he would have been all over him closing that outlet.

It could end up feeling like the one that got away, but also I could have seen last year's version of us losing that 2-1 so leaving with a point is fine.
 
Also I'm PISSED that their first goal could have been prevented if Van Dijk had shown any level of urgency. Once the ball is in the air, he should be sprinting to help double up on their best player. He isn't even jogging with intent until after the ball has landed. It would have been easily nullified if he was there blocking the cut back onto his left foot.

Solid finish, but so so avoidable.
 
It would have been easily nullified if he was there blocking the cut back onto his left foot
I didn't watch many replays of that goal but from what I saw it did feel like Saka had way too much space to maneuver his way around Robertson on that right side. And it is fair to state the obvious fact that the goal did not happen on Konate's side of the pitch, who has also been greatly praised by Slot in that press conference.

That was a tough situation for Robertson. One of the best wingers in world football in that position that he had to face early in the game. Robertson probably hasn't faced such great individual quality in a while. That, actually, was also a sign of poor preparation by Slot. Great managers prepare their teams and warn them about how to deal with and manage the greatest threats from the sides they are facing. What situations to avoid and how. And what situations to avoid and how to avoid them has a whole lot to do with avoiding certain specific players finding themselves in certain situations while allowing for greater leeway that other players may find themselves in certain situations.

Those are things that make great sides. First knowing what player poses what threat. And then anticipating and preparing for that, setting up schemes and plans, and then incorporating such things into the overall team play and strategy-making. That was very, very lacklustre by Slot and the whole Liverpool backroom staff to allow such a goal by Saka. I felt that this game was in no way an indication of Liverpool being a good or solid team that is ready to compete at the top. To me this game was an indication of just how surprisingly poor Arsenal were (at least to me for I suspected that they would surely be better given their results in the last couple of years) (I haven't really watched them much).
 
I'm more happy with the heart and resilience we showed in the second half and got us back in the game to earn a draw. That was promising.

For all the talk about Arsenal I have to say it was surprising to see them time waste from 45 mins and clearly sitting back while at home. Arteta has indeed become Jose Mourinho, bar the fact that he doesn't win anything obviously.
 
I didn't watch many replays of that goal but from what I saw it did feel like Saka had way too much space to maneuver his way around Robertson on that right side.

Robbo lost his 1:1, which happens, especially against a great opponent. But it isn't like we learned at that point in time that Saka was quick and a threat on his left foot. VVD hung him out to dry, didn't make any effort at covering. If that was other side we all know that Ibu would be full pace covering that gap.

Sometimes trying to be calm & composed doesn't work. It failed on this occasion.
 
I thought overall the quality was poor for two teams competing to win the toughest league. There were valid reasons why but it felt flat. The worrying thing for me was that when we're poor on the ball we also lack the bite needed to stamp our mark and turn the tide. I don't want to get into the habit of needing HT for Slot to get them going. We should have been fired up for this.

When there were so many poor to average performandes it's fair to look back and think an away point at Arsenal after a CL week is good enough, but after seeing their team sheet it could also be seen as a missed opportunity. Slots right, to win the league you often need to pick up some away wins against the best, and this Arsenal team probably won't be weaker all year. For them to be on top for so long was a bit frustrating.
 
They were missing two players with injuries. Its not like this was some second string from Arsenal, and we were actually missing more players then them when the match started.

Arsenal and Arteta seem to have gone away from the free flowing football and try to close out leads instead. They will have to change their approach if they are going to be able to compete for the league.
 
I thought overall the quality was poor for two teams competing to win the toughest league. There were valid reasons why but it felt flat. The worrying thing for me was that when we're poor on the ball we also lack the bite needed to stamp our mark and turn the tide. I don't want to get into the habit of needing HT for Slot to get them going. We should have been fired up for this.

When there were so many poor to average performandes it's fair to look back and think an away point at Arsenal after a CL week is good enough, but after seeing their team sheet it could also be seen as a missed opportunity. Slots right, to win the league you often need to pick up some away wins against the best, and this Arsenal team probably won't be weaker all year. For them to be on top for so long was a bit frustrating.
Draw against the rivals at their place and beat them at home. Doing that puts us in a strong position.
 
I imagine that moment justifies Slot in not really considering him up to the job in his team.

I like Endo and he came on to see out the draw but he really needed to try that pass.
 
Robbo lost his 1:1, which happens, especially against a great opponent. But it isn't like we learned at that point in time that Saka was quick and a threat on his left foot. VVD hung him out to dry, didn't make any effort at covering. If that was other side we all know that Ibu would be full pace covering that gap.

Sometimes trying to be calm & composed doesn't work. It failed on this occasion.
Robbo has been losing a lot of one on ones over the past year. Noting it was Saka, Virgil really should have been more awake and gone to cover with all haste whilst directing Ibou to cover any cutback. It's not like there was a full box of players.

Poor by VvD but that was pretty much his only mistake of the game and he saves countless dangerous situations over the course of a season, he's allowed one misjudgement. And he scored to chalk it off.
 
I imagine that moment justifies Slot in not really considering him up to the job in his team.

I like Endo and he came on to see out the draw but he really needed to try that pass.
It’s easy to put that down to match sharpness but is does relate to the whole disconnect between midfield and attack chat.
 
When they scored their second and just as it went to VAR, there was a freeze frame from a proper angle in line with the play.

Sky showed it for a second, and then only showed the ridiculous angle that VAR was supposedly looking at thereafter.

Anyone know why that might be? In that initial freeze frame, it looked off to me.
 

Van Dijk turns table on set-piece coach​

Nicolas Jover is Arsenal’s now world-famous set-piece coach. Once at Brentford, a finishing school for corner and free-kick gurus, and then at Manchester City, Jover was the genius behind 26 Premier League set-piece goals last season, a record 16 from corners. A problem with being a set-piece specialist is being only as good as the last set piece. As Virgil van Dijk stooped to score Liverpool’s first goal, Jover’s name was mud, only to be revived by Mikel Merino scoring Arsenal’s second from Declan Rice’s free-kick. Premier League technical areas are lately full of such operatives, Aston Villa’s Austin MacPhee’s Doobie-Brothers-stylings are part of the furniture, as is Carlos Vicens by Pep Guardiola’s side. It can be a cut-throat, results business; Wolves sacked Jack Wilson from the role earlier this month. And then there’s the problem that football isn’t just set pieces. Against Liverpool, Arsenal won only one attacking corner. John Brewin
 
When they scored their second and just as it went to VAR, there was a freeze frame from a proper angle in line with the play.

Sky showed it for a second, and then only showed the ridiculous angle that VAR was supposedly looking at thereafter.

Anyone know why that might be? In that initial freeze frame, it looked off to me.
I said the same at the time..
 
Good result despite LFC team didn't perform is it ought to be, some of our players were lousy especially Rob and Trent, as the latter who seems to be not interested at all, apart from one pass towards the end! He ought to submit his transfer request and go. Most of the Arsenal attack was on his side, and he got beaten each time! I don't think he will do well in Spain! Disappointed with Mac, and I thought that only Jones has stood out in our midfield and other two were ghosted!

There were too much pity narratives about Arsenal injuries despite their mega rich squads, what about our injuries list over the past two seasons, Arsenal were lucky last season, as they hardly had serious injures! Our naive tactics have given an initiative to Arsenal to dominate the game! Besides, we didn't well at all, hadn't played up to our best, we would have beaten them. We need to do well against Brighton in the next two games. Good Luck
 
Robbo has been losing a lot of one on ones over the past year. Noting it was Saka, Virgil really should have been more awake and gone to cover with all haste whilst directing Ibou to cover any cutback. It's not like there was a full box of players.

Poor by VvD but that was pretty much his only mistake of the game and he saves countless dangerous situations over the course of a season, he's allowed one misjudgement. And he scored to chalk it off.

I agree he is often a colossus but it does feel to me like he makes more errors in big games than others. It was Arsenal last season that he & Alisson decided to jump into each other and cost us a simple goal.
 
When they scored their second and just as it went to VAR, there was a freeze frame from a proper angle in line with the play.

Sky showed it for a second, and then only showed the ridiculous angle that VAR was supposedly looking at thereafter.

Anyone know why that might be? In that initial freeze frame, it looked off to me.

Wenger has been rightfully taking a lot of shit for his takes and his recent offside proposition would probably just move the goalposts but he's correct on the need to change the offside rule with VAR around. The margin should be far wider an more obvious than this microscopic frame/millimetre hunt that's arguably somehow worse at being objective and definitely far worse for watching the game and debate/bants after
 
Stateside the commentary is so pro Arsenal this week - Lee Dixon and Le Saux quietly raising and praising arsenal while diminishing Liverpool.
 
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