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Match Thread Man City (A) - Sun Feb 23rd 16:30

Nah, Trent did get beat too easily on several occasions – there was no sense of shepherding Doku into a pre-determined area from him, he just got beat left and right. Fortunately Slot anticipated that and basically got a combination of Gravvy, Konate and occasionally Salah to collectively do the full-back’s job.
This is why I think we will be better with a seasoned RB. Trent requires others to do his job
 
Trent got beaten in 13/19 "take-ons" with Doku. That's 69% of the time he was beaten by a winger.

It's a wake up call. How do you think we would fare if this was Gordon, Vinicius, Mitoma or Isak and there was "end product" from the winger?

And that lean in, he does when someone easily goes past him. Jesus wept. Just try and stay in the foot race.

We had this discussion last season as well. Several of those "take-ons" from Doku are just shimmys or dance moves that gets him nowhere or even leads to a pass backwards.
 
We had this discussion last season as well. Several of those "take-ons" from Doku are just shimmys or dance moves that gets him nowhere or even leads to a pass backwards.

OK, but that won't be the case with other wingers
 
As a Liverpool fan, if you were told at the start of the season that there would be a twenty point gap between Liverpool and Man City in the league by the end of February, you probably would have been disappointed but not overly surprised.
After the Everton game, I was one of the few that didn't lose his head. However, there are still mistakes being made especially the MF
 
We had this discussion last season as well. Several of those "take-ons" from Doku are just shimmys or dance moves that gets him nowhere or even leads to a pass backwards.
That’s partially true, but this time Doku showed him a clean pair of heels even more so than last season. But to answer the question about what would happen against Vini Jr. if it gets to that stage, I think we already have our answer in the tactics Slot chose for this game. We still need Trent for his ability to turn defence into attack and let’s not forget that both our 2nd goal and our best attack of the match that didn’t result in goal stemmed from a crucial contribution from Trent.

It’s a difficult balance for a manager to find – but it would not have been so bloody difficult if Trent just could defend 10% better. That’s why it’s frustrating.
 
That’s partially true, but this time Doku showed him a clean pair of heels even more so than last season. But to answer the question about what would happen against Vini Jr. if it gets to that stage, I think we already have our answer in the tactics Slot chose for this game. We still need Trent for his ability to turn defence into attack and let’s not forget that both our 2nd goal and our best attack of the match that didn’t result in goal stemmed from a crucial contribution from Trent.

It’s a difficult balance for a manager to find – but it would not have been so bloody difficult if Trent just could defend 10% better. That’s why it’s frustrating.

Yes, but that was in the first half as stated above. My observation was mere that Trent stayed in the game and gave his all and contributed to the defensive game we played in the end. In the 2nd half there was nothing.

He should do much better in the first half, no doubt. Very frustrating that he doesn't defend better or seems to be switched off at the start.
But as others have said most, if not all, will struggle in a 1 vs 1 against Doku. Thankfully he's as dangerous as Adama Traore.

3-4 crosses that our CBs dealt with. The rest is a bit meh and stat padding.


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This is why I think we will be better with a seasoned RB. Trent requires others to do his job
Look at how "limited" Szobo was last season when he played in the RCM position. Always tracking back for Trent.
He's got more assists and goals this season in the league, despite playing fewer games.
Still below what he should have. I think he should be at around 15 goals+assists.
He's on 7 or 8 depending on the source (some sites like the official EPL don't count the pass to Salah against Ipswich as an assist).
 
Thats the difficult discussion regarding Trent. As you get a player that isn't the best at defending and you have to accept that he at times will be a liability, but then you get the best passer of the ball in the league and a right back that creates, assists, scores and is a major reason your team wins games.

We'll be a better team defensively without Trent, but Slot will need to be creative to find a solution for the rest that he brings.
 
It was a good professional performance, toped up by 3 points and clean sheet, despite City having almost full control of the game. Trent did well, considering having a difficult duel with Doku! I thought the two centre backs were excellent.
It is too early to talk about wining the league, because there are still many hard games left in the fixture! Just focus on Newcastle for now! Keep injuries free and best of the luck.
 
Thats the difficult discussion regarding Trent. As you get a player that isn't the best at defending and you have to accept that he at times will be a liability, but then you get the best passer of the ball in the league and a right back that creates, assists, scores and is a major reason your team wins games.

We'll be a better team defensively without Trent, but Slot will need to be creative to find a solution for the rest that he brings.
Let's be honest, at the moment he's not a right back. He's midfielder with world class passing who we're hiding at right back because he can't play in midfield.
 
@rurikbird It's a great point, and I'm not a fan, but that "defence into attack" thing makes me want to persist with him. And yeah, just 10% would be great.

I also noticed that when TAA was in one on one's he had help arriving soon after too.
 
Yes, but that was in the first half as stated above. My observation was mere that Trent stayed in the game and gave his all and contributed to the defensive game we played in the end. In the 2nd half there was nothing.

He should do much better in the first half, no doubt. Very frustrating that he doesn't defend better or seems to be switched off at the start.
But as others have said most, if not all, will struggle in a 1 vs 1 against Doku. Thankfully he's as dangerous as Adama Traore.

3-4 crosses that our CBs dealt with. The rest is a bit meh and stat padding.


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Trent lost 13 of these 19 duels or "take ons".
 
It was a good professional performance, toped up by 3 points and clean sheet, despite City having almost full control of the game. Trent did well, considering having a difficult duel with Doku! I thought the two centre backs were excellent.
It is too early to talk about wining the league, because there are still many hard games left in the fixture! Just focus on Newcastle for now! Keep injuries free and best of the luck.
Dominated possession - yes; had control of the game - no, that was us.
 
Yep, th
Doku created 0,1 xG from all his dribbles and shuffles and dance moves on the left in that game. So I'm okay with Trent getting beat and pushing him as planned towards the byline..
Yep this, with Haland out there was no-one to play that lofted final ball to.
 
Trent got beaten in 13/19 "take-ons" with Doku. That's 69% of the time he was beaten by a winger.

It's a wake up call. How do you think we would fare if this was Gordon, Vinicius, Mitoma or Isak and there was "end product" from the winger?

And that lean in, he does when someone easily goes past him. Jesus wept. Just try and stay in the foot race.
But it wasn't any of them, maybe just maybe a tactical plan to push Doku to the biline?
 
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned much is how fucked Trent looked before he came off - in an ‘in pain’ sense.

I’d wager he’s playing through a significant enough level of pain / injury right now.
 
But it wasn't any of them, maybe just maybe a tactical plan to push Doku to the biline?

Yeah but if city had better finishers as other clubs do, that bee line for the be line could have seen more goals, is the point. And that it may happen again.

But if he’s playing through injury it makes more sense
 
The positive about Doku's dribbles and zero end product was that it meant they focused so much down that side and we didn't have to watch them also see that Robbo could be exposed too.
 
I think we absolutely wanted them to attack on the outside and congested the middle as much as possible.
 
I think we absolutely wanted them to attack on the outside and congested the middle as much as possible.

It was clearly a tactic pushed Doku wide, when he did the ball wasn't getting to any of his players if he even managed to get a cross in.
Push him out wide, when he did pass he'd find another red shirt and would need somehting spectacular to score.

The most enjoyable thing for me was we were so well drilled, focussed and together as a team.
 
... and a right back that creates, assists, scores and is a major reason your team wins games.
PL only 26 games (inc. 2 as sub) = 2 goals and 6 assists (he has another 10 games in the other comps with 1 goal in the FAC).

Duels won 80 duels lost 100.
Aerial battles W3 L12

He won us a point at Villa and scored our 4th in the 5-0 win at West Ham. I'm not sure how much he's influenced our games this season with his assists (@King Binny )?
 
It was a good professional performance, toped up by 3 points and clean sheet, despite City having almost full control of the game. Trent did well, considering having a difficult duel with Doku! I thought the two centre backs were excellent.
It is too early to talk about wining the league, because there are still many hard games left in the fixture! Just focus on Newcastle for now! Keep injuries free and best of the luck.
What game were you watching ?! At no time did City ever have control of the game, we oozed control. They hardly created a decent chance all match!
 
PL only 26 games (inc. 2 as sub) = 2 goals and 6 assists (he has another 10 games in the other comps with 1 goal in the FAC).

Duels won 80 duels lost 100.
Aerial battles W3 L12

He won us a point at Villa and scored our 4th in the 5-0 win at West Ham. I'm not sure how much he's influenced our games this season with his assists (@King Binny )?

I think you’ll find he’s quite often involved in the build up and the assist to the assist.
Not sure we should look that lightly on his contribution to the team.
 
He was skinned and his bloody corpse left on the touchline. The fact Doku is shite, can't shoot, can't pass and can't cross (as I said prematch) after that is irrelevant. Trent was as much use in that first half as a bollard.

Oh and the byline is level with the goal. Not 30m away from it.
Trent did a good job shepherding Doku to the byline, preventing him from getting a clear shot on goal. He made sure Doku couldn’t cut inside and aim for the far post. Even in those key moments, when Doku went pass him, Trent showed good composure, avoiding any silly tackles that could have resulted in a penalty, which Doku was likely hoping for. No FB is guranteed to never be beaten, cause out there there will always be a winger or striker with quick feet, but Trent handled the situation as best as he could. When comparing Doku's dancing moves to Salah's play in the same game, as wingers there is a clear difference, While one can’t say Trent neutralized Doku, he definitely managed the situation well.
 
PL only 26 games (inc. 2 as sub) = 2 goals and 6 assists (he has another 10 games in the other comps with 1 goal in the FAC).

Duels won 80 duels lost 100.
Aerial battles W3 L12

He won us a point at Villa and scored our 4th in the 5-0 win at West Ham. I'm not sure how much he's influenced our games this season with his assists (@King Binny )?


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Trent did a good job shepherding Doku to the byline, preventing him from getting a clear shot on goal. He made sure Doku couldn’t cut inside and aim for the far post. Even in those key moments, when Doku went pass him, Trent showed good composure, avoiding any silly tackles that could have resulted in a penalty, which Doku was likely hoping for. No FB is guranteed to never be beaten, cause out there there will always be a winger or striker with quick feet, but Trent handled the situation as best as he could. When comparing Doku's dancing moves to Salah's play in the same game, as wingers there is a clear difference, While one can’t say Trent neutralized Doku, he definitely managed the situation well.

Unless you’re including Gravenberch, Konate and Salah in the collective noun called “Trent,” no, he definitely did not. The 4 of them managed Doku well, Trent alone got skinned time and time and time again and required lots of help to keep Doku at bay.
 
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