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spider-neil said:
lucas? are you being serious?
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Very serious Neil. 6 decent months in 5 years is not good enough. We've got Gerrard, Adam, Henderson, Spearing and as I said we should try to get Fellaini. Not very likely but not impossible. That would be enough for our central midfield.
However, our main targets should be wingers and a finisher. I like Lisandro, as for wingers I dont know really. Maxi or Johnson are just not consistent enough if we want to get back in CL. If we cant find a decent left winger, Id take Cole back, Downing is just shite.
 
gkmacca said:
Look mate, I know that. We all know that. What irritates are those who insist they play now and go crazy if anyone sounds a note of caution.
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Well my point is. I don't think you buy Muniain cause that blocks Sterling. But you don't not buy Erikson or Martinez because it blocks Suso and Shelvey (heaven forbid). Those players have to force their way over time a la Spearing. You only need to clear out space for the special talents.
 
Shelvey said:
Well my point is. I don't think you buy Muniain cause that blocks Sterling. But you don't not buy Erikson or Martinez because it blocks Suso and Shelvey (heaven forbid). Those players have to force their way over time a la Spearing. You only need to clear out space for the special talents.
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Valid point if Kenny is going to be given time to get us back into the CL and challenging for the title. However if next season the FSG want to see the results faster then the likes of erikson, martinez and munian would be the type of player to help us challenge. The kids wont be ready yet imo.
 
Shelvey said:
Well my point is. I don't think you buy Muniain cause that blocks Sterling. But you don't not buy Erikson or Martinez because it blocks Suso and Shelvey (heaven forbid). Those players have to force their way over time a la Spearing. You only need to clear out space for the special talents.
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Who's arguing the opposite???
 
Adam
Aurelio
Kuyt
Downing

Sign 2 quality wingers or one quality winger and keep Downing and pray his monkey side gets the better of him and he does as the other winger does, scores/assists.
 
Carroll - I'm just sick of him. I don't think he's worth persevering with, even to try to build his value. £15m and he's yours.
Downing - shit and the wrong age. £10m I think would be possible.
Adam - not up to it. £5m
Johnson - not that great, injury prone, ageing, very high wages. An absolute A* candidate for a sale. Anything over £12m and I'm laughing.
Reina - might be the right time to let him go. Will only get more disillusioned over the next few years of rebuilding. £20m but would spend a good £15m of that on a young replacement to lower the risk.
 
Fabio said:
Higuain is being kept out of the RM team by benzema. Theres every chance he might want to leave
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He has scored 21 in 32 league games, that's not a bad season. Benzema 18 in 30....

I'd love either at our club, can't see it happening unfortunately.
 
In fairness if Suarez had Ronaldo, Di Maria, Ozil, Alonso and co assisting him i don't think he would have any kind of trouble matching those figures
 
Personally, forgetting about players wanting away and whatever else. This is what I'd keep as the crux of the first team squad:

Reina
Doni (With a view to buying an up and coming keeper)

Kelly
Skrtel
Agger
Carragher (if only as a coach or for training/dressing room purposes)
Coates (he needs to start more though and prove either way if he's good enough)
Robinson (promotion this season and see how he does on a more consistent basis)
Enrique (I'm not sold but he's got the attributes and needs a few annoying deficiencies worked on)

Lucas (Let's hope he picks up where he left off and we don't end up with another passenger)
Spearing (as cover)
Shelvey (Needs much more game time in the middle of the park, replacement for Adam)
Henderson (Has this season to prove it and no more sticking with him to prove a point, if he's shit he's dropped)

Bellamy (best years are behind him, injuries are an issue but he's worth it for his standard 8 game purple patch)
Gerrard ( Don't see him having anywhere near the impact he once had ever again, he's here as he's earned it, he needs to be supporting youngsters now, like Carragher, with a view to us finding a longterm replacement, or just a better system)
Suarez (Our best attacker, no more off the pitch antics though, he's had a tremendous amount of faith put in him, time to repay)
Maxi (difficult as it's almost certain he'll go, but with a different manager he might play more and we might be celebrating more)


The rest I can take or leave, clearly from that we'd need a couple of fullbacks, a dominant midfielder who wants the ball and two attacking players and maybe an out and out striker.

Robinson, Shelvey, and the likes of Suso and Sterling need more regular football and should replace a few of our departing, overpaid players.

Alot to do.
 
I'd let Doni go gladly and make Gulacsi the number 2. He's progressed well, has good potential and it's high time we stopped messing him around.
 
In no particular order:

Downing
Johnson
Aurelio
Cole
Wilson

Maybe Reina too if we get a good offer.
 
Glen Johnson is a top drawer player and he's definitely one to keep.

For those suggesting we should get rid of him who do want instead? I am really curious here. And slightly baffled.
 
For me it's more about Johnson's situation rather than his ability. He's 28 so this could be our last chance to get a premium fee, he's on very high wages, and he's injury-prone. It just seems patently obvious that the fee we'd receive and the wages we'd save could be put to much much better use in other areas of the team.

Without wanting to be patronising, I think people need to recognise the opportunity cost of the money we spend, and that goes for transfer fees foregone on players we keep as well as on fees spent on new players. Yes, there'd be some benefit in having Johnson here for another 4 years, just as there's been some benefit in having Kuyt here for the last 2 years. But what benefits are you foregoing by not spending the resources elsewhere? What's the cost?
 
I like both johnson and kuyt and in their first season together they were a formidable right side, but Peter makes a great point. If we were to get the fee we paid for johnson back this summer I believe we should snap the hand off whoever offers.
 
Dalglish number one out the door.

The rest will follow once we can get in someone with a clue.
 
Ryan said:
Dalglish number one out the door.

The rest will follow once we can get in someone with a clue.
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To be honest the signings of last summer were so bad it's hard to argue Dalglish doesn't deserve to lose his job for them alone . Even if he wins the FA cup and stays on i have no faith in him buying well this summer . Hopefully he proves me wrong .
 
peterhague said:
For me it's more about Johnson's situation rather than his ability. He's 28 so this could be our last chance to get a premium fee, he's on very high wages, and he's injury-prone. It just seems patently obvious that the fee we'd receive and the wages we'd save could be put to much much better use in other areas of the team.

Without wanting to be patronising, I think people need to recognise the opportunity cost of the money we spend, and that goes for transfer fees foregone on players we keep as well as on fees spent on new players. Yes, there'd be some benefit in having Johnson here for another 4 years, just as there's been some benefit in having Kuyt here for the last 2 years. But what benefits are you foregoing by not spending the resources elsewhere? What's the cost?
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Good point well made, but if poking a bit deeper one could argue that Ferguson has.gotten value out of older players that far surpasses that which he would have got in the transfer market.

I think it friends on the players ability, & for me Johnson is one its the few brilliant top class players we have so could well fit that category.
 
FoxForceFive said:
Good point well made, but if poking a bit deeper one could argue that Ferguson has.gotten value out of older players that far surpasses that which he would have got in the transfer market.

I think it friends on the players ability, & for me Johnson is one its the few brilliant top class players we have so could well fit that category.
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Yeah the mileage he's got out of Giggs and Scholes is amazing. It's pretty bloody freakish, though. How many good players have we had recently who've fitted that category (basically keeping form and fitness into the mid 30s)? I can think of Hyypia off the top of my head... the list of players who've declined big time soon after their 30th birthday, though:

Henchoz
Hamann
Kewell
Finnan
Kuyt
Gerrard
Carragher
Keane

I tell you, I worry about the state of our squad in terms of its long-term value. The 6 defensive positions are fairly well covered, but in the more attacking positions you've basically got a mix of quality but ageing and and worthless players (Gerrard, Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy) and pretty damn suspect ones (Adam, Downing, Henderson, Carroll). The only attacking player in our entire squad I don't have some kind of concern about is Suarez. Call me a miserable, bean-counting bastard if you like - and I couldn't blame you - but IMO keeping hold of a classy but slightly dodgy right back looks like the least of our problems. It's the reason I'd consider moving on Reina as well if we got a really good offer.
 
I agree re Johnson, and as he's arguably more suited to the continental approach, it'd be interesting to see if a Spanish side would be interested and of course, if he'd go. He's 28? I didn't realise he was that old. People still seem to talk about him as though he will get better defensively with age, he's at his peak and still making unforced errors.

I'm not massively convinced by our fullback options in the longterm, I think Kelly might make it but even he has question marks over his hamstrings, but as you say, it's the least of our worries. The rest of the team though is a big big concern. We could even say in Lucas we have something good for the next few years, but even he is more of a defensive player. Suarez is our only real longterm attacking talent and again, there's no guarantees he won't get the hump after another season.
 
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