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[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370142#msg1370142 date=1311667866]
Yeah a liverpool great, I cant wait to tell my gran kids about our high flying winger who terrorized opposition defences with his blistering pace and dribbling ability, and not to mention all his medals he's won with Liverpool. I'll leave out his annual form slump of 27 games or the fact he hasn't got any attributes to be a successful winger. he probable does have the record for most number of goals off the knee but.

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46217.msg1370123#msg1370123 date=1311665135]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.

There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]



Also with this so called run of poor form, I don't think it can be called a run of poor form if it lasts 3/4 of a season, hes default status is "poor" and then he might have a few good games
[/quote]

[/quote]

a liverpool great has nothing to do with medals won. sami after all doesn't have a league medal.
 
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370142#msg1370142 date=1311667866]
Yeah a liverpool great, I cant wait to tell my gran kids about our high flying winger who terrorized opposition defences with his blistering pace and dribbling ability, and not to mention all his medals he's won with Liverpool. I'll leave out his annual form slump of 27 games or the fact he hasn't got any attributes to be a successful winger. he probable does have the record for most number of goals off the knee but.

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46217.msg1370123#msg1370123 date=1311665135]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.

There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]



Also with this so called run of poor form, I don't think it can be called a run of poor form if it lasts 3/4 of a season, hes default status is "poor" and then he might have a few good games
[/quote][/quote]

Oy, learn how to quote dude - I never said the above.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370151#msg1370151 date=1311668428]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370142#msg1370142 date=1311667866]
Yeah a liverpool great, I cant wait to tell my gran kids about our high flying winger who terrorized opposition defences with his blistering pace and dribbling ability, and not to mention all his medals he's won with Liverpool. I'll leave out his annual form slump of 27 games or the fact he hasn't got any attributes to be a successful winger. he probable does have the record for most number of goals off the knee but.

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46217.msg1370123#msg1370123 date=1311665135]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.

There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]



Also with this so called run of poor form, I don't think it can be called a run of poor form if it lasts 3/4 of a season, hes default status is "poor" and then he might have a few good games
[/quote]

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a liverpool great has nothing to do with medals won. sami after all doesn't have a league medal.
[/quote]

Yeah I think so aswell, that was not my argument, i was just highlighting one aspects of dirk kuyt's career so far which should be looked at when considering someone a liverpool great
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370132#msg1370132 date=1311666680]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370128#msg1370128 date=1311666344]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370122#msg1370122 date=1311664803]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=46217.msg1369882#msg1369882 date=1311604994]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369805#msg1369805 date=1311598234]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369709#msg1369709 date=1311587339]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369700#msg1369700 date=1311586593]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369684#msg1369684 date=1311584828]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369630#msg1369630 date=1311572773]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369625#msg1369625 date=1311568983]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369620#msg1369620 date=1311566455]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369618#msg1369618 date=1311565887]
Yeah and one of the reasons why we are fighting for 4th,5th and 6th is because we have players like him starting most of our games. I understand If we havent had the finances or opportunity to replace him or we had to strengthen other areas first, but no way is he good enough to be a starting right mid for a team looking to win the title.
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Yup he is to be blamed because we finish 7th place. Suggest to me who should we get to replace Kuyt as a first team right midfield. I might be able to tell Kenny to sign him.
[/quote]

just tell Kenny to look for someone he cant beat in a 35m sprint, and depending on our budget maybe he'll also be able to control the ball and pass it to someone wearing the same colour shirt. At the moment we dont even have this so it will be a good start.
[/quote]


You want us to replace Kuyt and yet you dont fucking know who should we sign?? ?? Fucking hell. Now, you can't fucking answer my first question and please answer this, if we don't sign any right winger before the window close, who the fuck do you want Kenny to play at right wing? TELL ME. Thanks.
[/quote]

Really I think we are still lacking quality options for the wings, I would give Henderson or even Johnson a go( if Kelly continues to progress). Ideally I would like us to sign another real winger that can offer us some pace and width which I don't believe kuyt at the moment provides. Downing I believe will do a good job for us and even someone like nzogbia would be a decent option,he would provide good competition for the wingers already here and we could then also have downing on the right with them interchanging during the match. We don't need to have our slow striker playing 50 games a season on the wings, up front his weakness are less obvious but on the wings he is our oppositions left back dream come true.
[/quote]


You must be watching someone else play then....whenever i watch Kuyt play at right midfield, our right back is fortunate enough to have him there.


N'Zogbia?? ?? Oh dear....not another average player please. We have Downing already and now that we have signed him i wish he can turn to a fantastic player which i doubt he will.
[/quote]

Our right back does get a lot of help form dirk there your right I won't complain about his work rate, but I think our starting right winger should provide more than defensive help and a great engine. Also nzogbia isn't world class but at the moment we don't really have a chance at the best available wingers so I think he could provide a little more for us going forward in the traditional wingers role.
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Glock do you want to know why dirk runs all day its because he cant pass a simple ball to our players, he either over hits it or under hits it. He has got the worst touch for a so called professional footballer & is so slow that king kenny would beat him in a race, not to mention that his end product is disgraceful. So if your favourite player dirk dosen't run his ass off theres no point of him being in the team.Why do u think other quality wingers dont run as much as what KUYT does cause they dont fuck up simple things like he does. Its a joke that you stick up for him he is not fit to be wearing a liverpool shirt, players like him are the exact reason why where in this position coming 6th & 7th and its not only him theres a few more in the squd that need to go on their bike & we all know who they are, but the difference is KUYT starts for us every game while the others dont. Your talking about n'zogbia being average, hes a stand out player playing in a very average team thats in the bottom with no class players. now imagine it for 1 minute that your best pal DIRK KUYT played in a team like wigan what would he achieve on the right side or striker? Ill tell you what hell achieve it will be sweet fuck all & they'll run him out of town. So please save your breath next time & stop sticking up for a useless player that he is. Ill leave you with this, hes not fit enough to be playing for liverpool fc & he should never play again.
[/quote]

I know you're new but there is strong brigade of Kuyt can do no wrong. to be fair they had a point for the latter part of the season as he was a key player. I agree he should be used sparingly
[/quote]There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.
There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]

a liverpool GREAT?
[/quote]Yes.
[/quote]

barnes, souness, kenny, jocky, sami, are greats. kuyt is a very good servent for club.
[/quote]So what exactly is it that those other players you name do that Kuyt doesnt?
If (as it seems) you are simply assessing it on trophies won, then fair enough. That is in no way how i would select MY Liverpool greats.
I dont have a checklist obviously but it would look a bit like:
1.Plays for the club with distinctions.
2.Loves the club.
3.Is an ambassador for the club.
4.Plays with pride and heart and passion.
5.Would run through walls for his teammates, the fans and the club.
6.Positively influences the team and results.
7....

The list goes on and on and for me i cant think of ANYTHING that would help me define a Liverpool Great (or Legend) that Kuyt wouldnt accomplish.
He's played here for 5 years and played with pride, determination and above all else a clear love for the club, the fans, the badge and the city.

He's already there in my book, i think by the time he finishes here there wont be many doubters left.

Cept the occasional numpt obv.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46217.msg1370158#msg1370158 date=1311668839]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370142#msg1370142 date=1311667866]
Yeah a liverpool great, I cant wait to tell my gran kids about our high flying winger who terrorized opposition defences with his blistering pace and dribbling ability, and not to mention all his medals he's won with Liverpool. I'll leave out his annual form slump of 27 games or the fact he hasn't got any attributes to be a successful winger. he probable does have the record for most number of goals off the knee but.

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46217.msg1370123#msg1370123 date=1311665135]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.

There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]



Also with this so called run of poor form, I don't think it can be called a run of poor form if it lasts 3/4 of a season, hes default status is "poor" and then he might have a few good games
[/quote]

Oy, learn how to quote dude - I never said the above.
[/quote]

Haha ok my mistake
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1369383#msg1369383 date=1311517356]
v s'land (if suarez and gerrard don't make it)


1st 11 when everyone is if fit

home
-----------------pepe-------------------
kelly------carra-------agger---johnson
henderson---gerrard----adam----downing
-----------------meireles---------------
----------------suarez------------------

away
-----------------pepe-------------------
kelly------carra-------agger---johnson
gerrard----lucas--adam--------downing
-----------------suarez---------------
----------------carroll------------------
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I like this....except, i'd have Suarez and Carroll or Suarez and Kuyt as the preferred partnership at home.

Meireles or Aquilani are good options to have on the bench. Because, if Adam's game is not suited to unlocking a particular defense and if we need to go through the middle a bit more, they can be really terrific tactical substitutions.

Also...Gerrard on the right should be seriously considered home and away. Because in a flat 4-4-2 that would be the best way to use him or the other option is to use him as a DM (Lucas's role). He does not have the legs to be effective as the box-to-box player anymore. I hope we use a lot of 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 next season. Suarez will be quite terrific playing off Kuyt or Carroll...
 
We've set up playing 4-2-3-1 in all of our pre season games and the kids sides are doing the same. I hope Suarez isn't going to be shunted out wide too often.
 
I think the likelihood will be for Sunderland, bearing in mind injuries, Copa America etc:

------------------------------Reina-----------------------------
-Johnson---------Skrtel----------Carra------------NewLB
-----------------------------Lucas-----------------------------
-----------------Meireles---------Adam-----------------------
--Kuyt---------------Carroll or Suarez---------Downing--
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46217.msg1370189#msg1370189 date=1311671131]
I think the likelihood will be for Sunderland, bearing in mind injuries, Copa America etc:

------------------------------Reina-----------------------------
-Johnson---------Skrtel----------Carra------------NewLB
-----------------------------Lucas-----------------------------
-----------------Meireles---------Adam-----------------------
--Kuyt---------------Carroll or Suarez---------Downing--
[/quote]

Firstly considering Suarez and Gerrard are still to come back into that team it has to be said that it aint bad at all.... whether its 45M better or not is moot... Henderson on the bench...
Secondly I don't think we will have a new LB but i have no problem with Kelly getting in at right back and Johnson swapping over to the left as they both did well at that last season.

We've got so much riding on Carroll playing well this season it's scary.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=46217.msg1370188#msg1370188 date=1311671116]
We've set up playing 4-2-3-1 in all of our pre season games and the kids sides are doing the same. I hope Suarez isn't going to be shunted out wide too often.
[/quote]

Agreed....i'm with you on that..
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46217.msg1370189#msg1370189 date=1311671131]
I think the likelihood will be for Sunderland, bearing in mind injuries, Copa America etc:

------------------------------Reina-----------------------------
-Johnson---------Skrtel----------Carra------------NewLB
-----------------------------Lucas-----------------------------
-----------------Meireles---------Adam-----------------------
--Kuyt---------------Carroll or Suarez---------Downing--
[/quote]

I agree. Carroll to start and Suarez to come on as sub.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370163#msg1370163 date=1311669135]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370132#msg1370132 date=1311666680]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370128#msg1370128 date=1311666344]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370122#msg1370122 date=1311664803]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=46217.msg1369882#msg1369882 date=1311604994]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369805#msg1369805 date=1311598234]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369709#msg1369709 date=1311587339]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369700#msg1369700 date=1311586593]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369684#msg1369684 date=1311584828]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369630#msg1369630 date=1311572773]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369625#msg1369625 date=1311568983]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369620#msg1369620 date=1311566455]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369618#msg1369618 date=1311565887]
Yeah and one of the reasons why we are fighting for 4th,5th and 6th is because we have players like him starting most of our games. I understand If we havent had the finances or opportunity to replace him or we had to strengthen other areas first, but no way is he good enough to be a starting right mid for a team looking to win the title.
[/quote]


Yup he is to be blamed because we finish 7th place. Suggest to me who should we get to replace Kuyt as a first team right midfield. I might be able to tell Kenny to sign him.
[/quote]

just tell Kenny to look for someone he cant beat in a 35m sprint, and depending on our budget maybe he'll also be able to control the ball and pass it to someone wearing the same colour shirt. At the moment we dont even have this so it will be a good start.
[/quote]


You want us to replace Kuyt and yet you dont fucking know who should we sign?? ?? Fucking hell. Now, you can't fucking answer my first question and please answer this, if we don't sign any right winger before the window close, who the fuck do you want Kenny to play at right wing? TELL ME. Thanks.
[/quote]

Really I think we are still lacking quality options for the wings, I would give Henderson or even Johnson a go( if Kelly continues to progress). Ideally I would like us to sign another real winger that can offer us some pace and width which I don't believe kuyt at the moment provides. Downing I believe will do a good job for us and even someone like nzogbia would be a decent option,he would provide good competition for the wingers already here and we could then also have downing on the right with them interchanging during the match. We don't need to have our slow striker playing 50 games a season on the wings, up front his weakness are less obvious but on the wings he is our oppositions left back dream come true.
[/quote]


You must be watching someone else play then....whenever i watch Kuyt play at right midfield, our right back is fortunate enough to have him there.


N'Zogbia?? ?? Oh dear....not another average player please. We have Downing already and now that we have signed him i wish he can turn to a fantastic player which i doubt he will.
[/quote]

Our right back does get a lot of help form dirk there your right I won't complain about his work rate, but I think our starting right winger should provide more than defensive help and a great engine. Also nzogbia isn't world class but at the moment we don't really have a chance at the best available wingers so I think he could provide a little more for us going forward in the traditional wingers role.
[/quote]

Glock do you want to know why dirk runs all day its because he cant pass a simple ball to our players, he either over hits it or under hits it. He has got the worst touch for a so called professional footballer & is so slow that king kenny would beat him in a race, not to mention that his end product is disgraceful. So if your favourite player dirk dosen't run his ass off theres no point of him being in the team.Why do u think other quality wingers dont run as much as what KUYT does cause they dont fuck up simple things like he does. Its a joke that you stick up for him he is not fit to be wearing a liverpool shirt, players like him are the exact reason why where in this position coming 6th & 7th and its not only him theres a few more in the squd that need to go on their bike & we all know who they are, but the difference is KUYT starts for us every game while the others dont. Your talking about n'zogbia being average, hes a stand out player playing in a very average team thats in the bottom with no class players. now imagine it for 1 minute that your best pal DIRK KUYT played in a team like wigan what would he achieve on the right side or striker? Ill tell you what hell achieve it will be sweet fuck all & they'll run him out of town. So please save your breath next time & stop sticking up for a useless player that he is. Ill leave you with this, hes not fit enough to be playing for liverpool fc & he should never play again.
[/quote]

I know you're new but there is strong brigade of Kuyt can do no wrong. to be fair they had a point for the latter part of the season as he was a key player. I agree he should be used sparingly
[/quote]There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.
There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]

a liverpool GREAT?
[/quote]Yes.
[/quote]

barnes, souness, kenny, jocky, sami, are greats. kuyt is a very good servent for club.
[/quote]So what exactly is it that those other players you name do that Kuyt doesnt?
If (as it seems) you are simply assessing it on trophies won, then fair enough. That is in no way how i would select MY Liverpool greats.
I dont have a checklist obviously but it would look a bit like:
1.Plays for the club with distinctions.
2.Loves the club.
3.Is an ambassador for the club.
4.Plays with pride and heart and passion.
5.Would run through walls for his teammates, the fans and the club.
6.Positively influences the team and results.
7....

The list goes on and on and for me i cant think of ANYTHING that would help me define a Liverpool Great (or Legend) that Kuyt wouldnt accomplish.
He's played here for 5 years and played with pride, determination and above all else a clear love for the club, the fans, the badge and the city.

He's already there in my book, i think by the time he finishes here there wont be many doubters left.

Cept the occasional numpt obv.
[/quote]

what makes a liverpool great? superlative footballing ability. the players I listed you could argubly put in the all time liverpoool XI, I don't even think kuyt is the best right midfielder or striker at the club.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370233#msg1370233 date=1311675353]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370163#msg1370163 date=1311669135]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370132#msg1370132 date=1311666680]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370128#msg1370128 date=1311666344]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370122#msg1370122 date=1311664803]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1369883#msg1369883 date=1311605234]
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=46217.msg1369882#msg1369882 date=1311604994]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369805#msg1369805 date=1311598234]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369709#msg1369709 date=1311587339]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369700#msg1369700 date=1311586593]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369684#msg1369684 date=1311584828]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369630#msg1369630 date=1311572773]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369625#msg1369625 date=1311568983]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=46217.msg1369620#msg1369620 date=1311566455]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1369618#msg1369618 date=1311565887]
Yeah and one of the reasons why we are fighting for 4th,5th and 6th is because we have players like him starting most of our games. I understand If we havent had the finances or opportunity to replace him or we had to strengthen other areas first, but no way is he good enough to be a starting right mid for a team looking to win the title.
[/quote]


Yup he is to be blamed because we finish 7th place. Suggest to me who should we get to replace Kuyt as a first team right midfield. I might be able to tell Kenny to sign him.
[/quote]

just tell Kenny to look for someone he cant beat in a 35m sprint, and depending on our budget maybe he'll also be able to control the ball and pass it to someone wearing the same colour shirt. At the moment we dont even have this so it will be a good start.
[/quote]


You want us to replace Kuyt and yet you dont fucking know who should we sign?? ?? Fucking hell. Now, you can't fucking answer my first question and please answer this, if we don't sign any right winger before the window close, who the fuck do you want Kenny to play at right wing? TELL ME. Thanks.
[/quote]

Really I think we are still lacking quality options for the wings, I would give Henderson or even Johnson a go( if Kelly continues to progress). Ideally I would like us to sign another real winger that can offer us some pace and width which I don't believe kuyt at the moment provides. Downing I believe will do a good job for us and even someone like nzogbia would be a decent option,he would provide good competition for the wingers already here and we could then also have downing on the right with them interchanging during the match. We don't need to have our slow striker playing 50 games a season on the wings, up front his weakness are less obvious but on the wings he is our oppositions left back dream come true.
[/quote]


You must be watching someone else play then....whenever i watch Kuyt play at right midfield, our right back is fortunate enough to have him there.


N'Zogbia?? ?? Oh dear....not another average player please. We have Downing already and now that we have signed him i wish he can turn to a fantastic player which i doubt he will.
[/quote]

Our right back does get a lot of help form dirk there your right I won't complain about his work rate, but I think our starting right winger should provide more than defensive help and a great engine. Also nzogbia isn't world class but at the moment we don't really have a chance at the best available wingers so I think he could provide a little more for us going forward in the traditional wingers role.
[/quote]

Glock do you want to know why dirk runs all day its because he cant pass a simple ball to our players, he either over hits it or under hits it. He has got the worst touch for a so called professional footballer & is so slow that king kenny would beat him in a race, not to mention that his end product is disgraceful. So if your favourite player dirk dosen't run his ass off theres no point of him being in the team.Why do u think other quality wingers dont run as much as what KUYT does cause they dont fuck up simple things like he does. Its a joke that you stick up for him he is not fit to be wearing a liverpool shirt, players like him are the exact reason why where in this position coming 6th & 7th and its not only him theres a few more in the squd that need to go on their bike & we all know who they are, but the difference is KUYT starts for us every game while the others dont. Your talking about n'zogbia being average, hes a stand out player playing in a very average team thats in the bottom with no class players. now imagine it for 1 minute that your best pal DIRK KUYT played in a team like wigan what would he achieve on the right side or striker? Ill tell you what hell achieve it will be sweet fuck all & they'll run him out of town. So please save your breath next time & stop sticking up for a useless player that he is. Ill leave you with this, hes not fit enough to be playing for liverpool fc & he should never play again.
[/quote]

I know you're new but there is strong brigade of Kuyt can do no wrong. to be fair they had a point for the latter part of the season as he was a key player. I agree he should be used sparingly
[/quote]There isnt a single poster on here who things Kuyt can do no wrong. There isnt ONE poster who wouldnt bench him when he is on a run of poor form.
There is a difference between that truth and the bilious wank poured out in this and other threads that completely demean a top professional and a Liverpool GREAT.
[/quote]

a liverpool GREAT?
[/quote]Yes.
[/quote]

barnes, souness, kenny, jocky, sami, are greats. kuyt is a very good servent for club.
[/quote]So what exactly is it that those other players you name do that Kuyt doesnt?
If (as it seems) you are simply assessing it on trophies won, then fair enough. That is in no way how i would select MY Liverpool greats.
I dont have a checklist obviously but it would look a bit like:
1.Plays for the club with distinctions.
2.Loves the club.
3.Is an ambassador for the club.
4.Plays with pride and heart and passion.
5.Would run through walls for his teammates, the fans and the club.
6.Positively influences the team and results.
7....

The list goes on and on and for me i cant think of ANYTHING that would help me define a Liverpool Great (or Legend) that Kuyt wouldnt accomplish.
He's played here for 5 years and played with pride, determination and above all else a clear love for the club, the fans, the badge and the city.

He's already there in my book, i think by the time he finishes here there wont be many doubters left.

Cept the occasional numpt obv.
[/quote]

what makes a liverpool great? superlative footballing ability. the players I listed you could argubly put in the all time liverpoool XI, I don't even think kuyt is the best right midfielder or striker at the club.
[/quote]

You put me in a liverpool shirt and the rest of our supporters & well show u how to run through wall for our teammates, the fans and the club & the rest of ur check list but does that mean im a liverpool great, even tho i cant control a ball, im slow, ive got no end product,our 7 year old mascot can shoot @ goal harder than me, and i cant take any1 on but you need 2 know this about me that i run my ass off all game & at the end of a game i go to each corner & i clap the fans. surely thats gotta make me a liverpool great tho according to u. Your a absolute disgrace for saying kuyt is a liverpool great & its insulting to us fans. Ive herd so much dribble from all you kuyt lovers but not one positive thing about his so called footballing abilitys, ill tell you why because theres nothing positive to talk about. We dont need players like him with no quality whatsoever in a liverpool shirt, we should and expect to see better quality on the field than what he gives us after all this is LFC where talking about & not some bottom of the league table.ILL SAY IT AGAIN HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL FC AGAIN.
 
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370257#msg1370257 date=1311677932]

You put me in a liverpool shirt and the rest of our supporters & well show u how to run through wall for our teammates, the fans and the club & the rest of ur check list but does that mean im a liverpool great, even tho i cant control a ball, im slow, ive got no end product,our 7 year old mascot can shoot @ goal harder than me, and i cant take any1 on but you need 2 know this about me that i run my ass off all game & at the end of a game i go to each corner & i clap the fans. surely thats gotta make me a liverpool great tho according to u. Your a absolute disgrace for saying kuyt is a liverpool great & its insulting to us fans. Ive herd so much dribble from all you kuyt lovers but not one positive thing about his so called footballing abilitys, ill tell you why because theres nothing positive to talk about. We dont need players like him with no quality whatsoever in a liverpool shirt, we should and expect to see better quality on the field than what he gives us after all this is LFC where talking about & not some bottom of the league table.ILL SAY IT AGAIN HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL FC AGAIN.
[/quote]

10-11 Goals:15 Assists:7
09-10 Goals:11 Assists:3
08-09 Goals:15 Assists:10

Awful end product for a right winger... :🙂
 
We've been playing both 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1. So it all depends on who we play and whos is available.

Im guessing vs Sunderland;

Reina

Kelly Carra Skrtel Johnson


Henderson Lucas Adam Downing


Kuyt Carroll
 
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46217.msg1370261#msg1370261 date=1311678441]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370257#msg1370257 date=1311677932]

You put me in a liverpool shirt and the rest of our supporters & well show u how to run through wall for our teammates, the fans and the club & the rest of ur check list but does that mean im a liverpool great, even tho i cant control a ball, im slow, ive got no end product,our 7 year old mascot can shoot @ goal harder than me, and i cant take any1 on but you need 2 know this about me that i run my ass off all game & at the end of a game i go to each corner & i clap the fans. surely thats gotta make me a liverpool great tho according to u. Your a absolute disgrace for saying kuyt is a liverpool great & its insulting to us fans. Ive herd so much dribble from all you kuyt lovers but not one positive thing about his so called footballing abilitys, ill tell you why because theres nothing positive to talk about. We dont need players like him with no quality whatsoever in a liverpool shirt, we should and expect to see better quality on the field than what he gives us after all this is LFC where talking about & not some bottom of the league table.ILL SAY IT AGAIN HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL FC AGAIN.
[/quote]

10-11 Goals:15 Assists:7
09-10 Goals:11 Assists:3
08-09 Goals:15 Assists:10

Awful end product for a right winger... :🙂
[/quote]

how many of those games was he actually a right winger/midfielder. in kuyt debut season he pretty much played every game up front. how many games did kuyt start as a striker just last season? I'm actually not knocking kuyt's ability (honest) I just think it's a little unfair to compare kuyt contribution to say, downing, as downing will play pretty much every game in a wide midfield position.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46217.msg1370265#msg1370265 date=1311678874]
We've been playing both 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1. So it all depends on who we play and whos is available.

Im guessing vs Sunderland;

Reina

Kelly Carra Skrtel Johnson


Henderson Lucas Adam Downing


Kuyt Carroll
[/quote]

Yup, I also think this will be our team.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370266#msg1370266 date=1311679035]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46217.msg1370261#msg1370261 date=1311678441]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370257#msg1370257 date=1311677932]

You put me in a liverpool shirt and the rest of our supporters & well show u how to run through wall for our teammates, the fans and the club & the rest of ur check list but does that mean im a liverpool great, even tho i cant control a ball, im slow, ive got no end product,our 7 year old mascot can shoot @ goal harder than me, and i cant take any1 on but you need 2 know this about me that i run my ass off all game & at the end of a game i go to each corner & i clap the fans. surely thats gotta make me a liverpool great tho according to u. Your a absolute disgrace for saying kuyt is a liverpool great & its insulting to us fans. Ive herd so much dribble from all you kuyt lovers but not one positive thing about his so called footballing abilitys, ill tell you why because theres nothing positive to talk about. We dont need players like him with no quality whatsoever in a liverpool shirt, we should and expect to see better quality on the field than what he gives us after all this is LFC where talking about & not some bottom of the league table.ILL SAY IT AGAIN HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL FC AGAIN.
[/quote]

10-11 Goals:15 Assists:7
09-10 Goals:11 Assists:3
08-09 Goals:15 Assists:10

Awful end product for a right winger... :🙂
[/quote]

how many of those games was he actually a right winger/midfielder. in kuyt debut season he pretty much played every game up front. how many games did kuyt start as a striker just last season? I'm actually not knocking kuyt's ability (honest) I just think it's a little unfair to compare kuyt contribution to say, downing, as downing will play pretty much every game in a wide midfield position.
[/quote]
Premier league
App goals

2010-2011 " " 33 13

2009-2010 " " 37 9

2008-2009 " " 38 12

2007-2008 " " 32 3

2006-2007 " " 34 12

Total = 174 49

Total appearances in all competitions including premier league/europe/fa cup/carling cup

Total =241 66

These stastics arent anything to be gloating about for a striker/attacking midfielder and i wonder how many goals came from penaltys & how many tapins and lets not forget off the shin. This is our so called striker turned to a attacking right midfielder hoping to win us a title.
 
Alright then SpiderNeil man!
Im going to duck out of this debate for two reasons
1.This Floyd bloke is a cunt and i dont want to read anything else he almost says.
2.The debate is about to go down the 'Oh but he only scores as a forward' route which ultimately turns into 'You cant count his goals as they are penalties or lucky' to 'He only plays 4 good games a season' and i really dont care that much about anyone elses opinion to bother typing the same replies ive typed hundreds of times in the past three years.

So you can all carry on. Im off.
 
why not play a 4-4-2?

Hendo - Ming/Aquaman - Adam - Downing

Carroll - Suarez

clueless about the defend tho. but carroll and Suarez SHOULD be a striking pair up front.
 
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370290#msg1370290 date=1311681926]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370266#msg1370266 date=1311679035]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46217.msg1370261#msg1370261 date=1311678441]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370257#msg1370257 date=1311677932]

You put me in a liverpool shirt and the rest of our supporters & well show u how to run through wall for our teammates, the fans and the club & the rest of ur check list but does that mean im a liverpool great, even tho i cant control a ball, im slow, ive got no end product,our 7 year old mascot can shoot @ goal harder than me, and i cant take any1 on but you need 2 know this about me that i run my ass off all game & at the end of a game i go to each corner & i clap the fans. surely thats gotta make me a liverpool great tho according to u. Your a absolute disgrace for saying kuyt is a liverpool great & its insulting to us fans. Ive herd so much dribble from all you kuyt lovers but not one positive thing about his so called footballing abilitys, ill tell you why because theres nothing positive to talk about. We dont need players like him with no quality whatsoever in a liverpool shirt, we should and expect to see better quality on the field than what he gives us after all this is LFC where talking about & not some bottom of the league table.ILL SAY IT AGAIN HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL FC AGAIN.
[/quote]

10-11 Goals:15 Assists:7
09-10 Goals:11 Assists:3
08-09 Goals:15 Assists:10

Awful end product for a right winger... :🙂
[/quote]

how many of those games was he actually a right winger/midfielder. in kuyt debut season he pretty much played every game up front. how many games did kuyt start as a striker just last season? I'm actually not knocking kuyt's ability (honest) I just think it's a little unfair to compare kuyt contribution to say, downing, as downing will play pretty much every game in a wide midfield position.
[/quote]
Premier league
App goals

2010-2011 " " 33 13

2009-2010 " " 37 9

2008-2009 " " 38 12

2007-2008 " " 32 3

2006-2007 " " 34 12

Total = 174 49

Total appearances in all competitions including premier league/europe/fa cup/carling cup

Total =241 66

These stastics arent anything to be gloating about for a striker/attacking midfielder and i wonder how many goals came from penaltys & how many tapins and lets not forget off the shin. This is our so called striker turned to a attacking right midfielder hoping to win us a title.
[/quote]

Ryan Giggs
Premier league
App goals

2010-2011 " " 25 2

2009-2010 " " 25 5

2008-2009 " " 28 2

2007-2008 " " 31 3

2006-2007 " " 30 4

Total = 143 16

All comps

Total = 204 25

I hear he's been pretty average and detrimental to a title win side over the last 5 years too.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370292#msg1370292 date=1311682006]
Alright then SpiderNeil man!
Im going to duck out of this debate for two reasons
1.This Floyd bloke is a cunt and i dont want to read anything else he almost says.
2.The debate is about to go down the 'Oh but he only scores as a forward' route which ultimately turns into 'You cant count his goals as they are penalties or lucky' to 'He only plays 4 good games a season' and i really dont care that much about anyone elses opinion to bother typing the same replies ive typed hundreds of times in the past three years.

So you can all carry on. Im off.
[/quote]

Onceared your a loser buddy u cant back up by what u say with anything. The truth hurts i guess stastics prove a lot, there their for all to see but what proves even more of how much of a loser kuyt is its the tv, it dosent lie it shows how much a shit player he really is. The whole world gets to see it. So go off & cry now.
 
I'm up for experimenting with our new squad.

Reina

Jonjo Lucas Adam Maxi


Hendo Aqua Spearing Downie


Gerrard Mercy


Wont need any subs.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46217.msg1370265#msg1370265 date=1311678874]
We've been playing both 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1. So it all depends on who we play and whos is available.

Im guessing vs Sunderland;

Reina

Kelly Carra Skrtel Johnson


Henderson Lucas Adam Downing


Kuyt Carroll
[/quote]

Agree with the personnel but not the formation

Reina

Kelly Carra Skrtel (Agger if fit) Johnson

Lucas Adam

Kuyt Henderson Downing

Carroll
 
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370301#msg1370301 date=1311682745]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370292#msg1370292 date=1311682006]
Alright then SpiderNeil man!
Im going to duck out of this debate for two reasons
1.This Floyd bloke is a cunt and i dont want to read anything else he almost says.
2.The debate is about to go down the 'Oh but he only scores as a forward' route which ultimately turns into 'You cant count his goals as they are penalties or lucky' to 'He only plays 4 good games a season' and i really dont care that much about anyone elses opinion to bother typing the same replies ive typed hundreds of times in the past three years.

So you can all carry on. Im off.
[/quote]

Onceared your a loser buddy u cant back up by what u say with anything. The truth hurts i guess stastics prove a lot, there their for all to see but what proves even more of how much of a loser kuyt is its the tv, it dosent lie it shows how much a shit player he really is. The whole world gets to see it. So go off & cry now.
[/quote]

I was shaking my head with disgust when he scored that hat trick against Man United. I was so ashamed he was a liverpool player.
 
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46217.msg1370299#msg1370299 date=1311682651]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370290#msg1370290 date=1311681926]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46217.msg1370266#msg1370266 date=1311679035]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46217.msg1370261#msg1370261 date=1311678441]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370257#msg1370257 date=1311677932]

You put me in a liverpool shirt and the rest of our supporters & well show u how to run through wall for our teammates, the fans and the club & the rest of ur check list but does that mean im a liverpool great, even tho i cant control a ball, im slow, ive got no end product,our 7 year old mascot can shoot @ goal harder than me, and i cant take any1 on but you need 2 know this about me that i run my ass off all game & at the end of a game i go to each corner & i clap the fans. surely thats gotta make me a liverpool great tho according to u. Your a absolute disgrace for saying kuyt is a liverpool great & its insulting to us fans. Ive herd so much dribble from all you kuyt lovers but not one positive thing about his so called footballing abilitys, ill tell you why because theres nothing positive to talk about. We dont need players like him with no quality whatsoever in a liverpool shirt, we should and expect to see better quality on the field than what he gives us after all this is LFC where talking about & not some bottom of the league table.ILL SAY IT AGAIN HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL FC AGAIN.
[/quote]

10-11 Goals:15 Assists:7
09-10 Goals:11 Assists:3
08-09 Goals:15 Assists:10

Awful end product for a right winger... :🙂
[/quote]

how many of those games was he actually a right winger/midfielder. in kuyt debut season he pretty much played every game up front. how many games did kuyt start as a striker just last season? I'm actually not knocking kuyt's ability (honest) I just think it's a little unfair to compare kuyt contribution to say, downing, as downing will play pretty much every game in a wide midfield position.
[/quote]
Premier league
App goals

2010-2011 " " 33 13

2009-2010 " " 37 9

2008-2009 " " 38 12

2007-2008 " " 32 3

2006-2007 " " 34 12

Total = 174 49

Total appearances in all competitions including premier league/europe/fa cup/carling cup

Total =241 66

These stastics arent anything to be gloating about for a striker/attacking midfielder and i wonder how many goals came from penaltys & how many tapins and lets not forget off the shin. This is our so called striker turned to a attacking right midfielder hoping to win us a title.
[/quote]

Ryan Giggs
Premier league
App goals

2010-2011 " " 25 2

2009-2010 " " 25 5

2008-2009 " " 28 2

2007-2008 " " 31 3

2006-2007 " " 30 4

Total = 143 16

All comps

Total = 204 25

I hear he's been pretty average and detrimental to a title win side over the last 5 years too.
[/quote]

Hey loser your trying to compare dirk kuyt with ryan gigs, as much as i hate those scum u have to give the guy credit. He's one of the best wingers of all time in the epl & your trying to compare them.Dont just use the stats of the last couple of years to justify your stupidity, also a fair few of those appearances are coming of the bench. giggs will still run rings around kuyt in this life time or any other.Hes not and never will be anywhere near a player gigs was in his prime or now. Look at the guys stats over the last 20years and not to mention the guy is 37years old now, so please dont come with that crap. YOUS HAVE GOT NOTHING. Your clutching at straws. It just goes to really show now with ur comments that youve got no idea about quality players or a footballing brain. & as much as its gonna hurt me to say, look at his medals & what hes achieved in the game & then look at dirk kuyts. I really shouldnt be wasting my breath with a response to such stupidity.
 
JusticeFloyd - welcome to the site mate. You've picked a well discussd topic and been rather 'hateful' to a player most of us like and respect, despite his limitations.

Why not move on to another subject? This topic will come up again and then we can discuss it again.
 
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46217.msg1370312#msg1370312 date=1311683895]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46217.msg1370301#msg1370301 date=1311682745]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46217.msg1370292#msg1370292 date=1311682006]
Alright then SpiderNeil man!
Im going to duck out of this debate for two reasons
1.This Floyd bloke is a cunt and i dont want to read anything else he almost says.
2.The debate is about to go down the 'Oh but he only scores as a forward' route which ultimately turns into 'You cant count his goals as they are penalties or lucky' to 'He only plays 4 good games a season' and i really dont care that much about anyone elses opinion to bother typing the same replies ive typed hundreds of times in the past three years.

So you can all carry on. Im off.
[/quote]

Onceared your a loser buddy u cant back up by what u say with anything. The truth hurts i guess stastics prove a lot, there their for all to see but what proves even more of how much of a loser kuyt is its the tv, it dosent lie it shows how much a shit player he really is. The whole world gets to see it. So go off & cry now.
[/quote]

I was shaking my head with disgust when he scored that hat trick against Man United. I was so ashamed he was a liverpool player.
[/quote]

So what that he scored 3goals all 3 were no more tha 6yards out, it was all suarez. so andrea dossena & n'gog scored a goal against those scum so does that mean there liverpool greats. idiot
 
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