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It's almost as if that run of games he had where he was shite, lazy and unfit, just didn't happen.
I mean our manager had a longer run of games where he was horrific in setting up the team, and it's almost like that never happened.

Don't think you can hold your players to higher expectations than your manager.
 
I mean our manager had a longer run of games where he was horrific in setting up the team, and it's almost like that never happened.

Don't think you can hold your players to higher expectations than your manager.

You can if he didn't buy him, but it's not like you're gonna quit with you're agenda driven shite, so as you were.

Then, most people know that prior to our shit run earlier in the season, Rodgers had been excellent for a good 18 months. Of course, that's only the belief of everyone who isn't in the Whirly camp of "Suarez carried us". Balotelli on the other hand didn't have the benefit of prior good form, all we had to go off was him team hopping due to his behaviour. Not that I'd expect you to recognise a bit of rationale.

I thought you'd been quiet of late, oh, the manager has been winning. Quelle surprise. See you after the next defeat, where you can retell your Suarez story, again.
 
You can if he didn't buy him, but it's not like you're gonna quit with you're agenda driven shite, so as you were.

Then, most people know that prior to our shit run earlier in the season, Rodgers had been excellent for a good 18 months. Of course, that's only the belief of everyone who isn't in the Whirly camp of "Suarez carried us". Balotelli on the other hand didn't have the benefit of prior good form, all we had to go off was him team hopping due to his behaviour.

You're remarkably good at extrapolating way more than I said.

Fact of the matter is Balotelli was shite, then he was excellent, and you aren't willing to give him an opportunity.

Rodgers was more shite than Balotelli was, for a longer period, and you're head over heels for him after we've turned it around.

Prior to that both were solid. On the balance of a couple years Rodgers a decent manager and Balotelli a decent striker.

I think it's valid to be just as forgiving to your players as your manager if not more so. Tell me why I'm wrong.
 
Rodgers was more shite longer than Ballotelli.
Hahahahahaha.
I don't think there's ever been a worst post on here.
 
And that's including Whirly's genius suggestion that Pascoe,Pulis and Sherwood are a good fit to manage us.
 
You can if he didn't buy him, but it's not like you're gonna quit with you're agenda driven shite, so as you were.

Then, most people know that prior to our shit run earlier in the season, Rodgers had been excellent for a good 18 months. Of course, that's only the belief of everyone who isn't in the Whirly camp of "Suarez carried us". Balotelli on the other hand didn't have the benefit of prior good form, all we had to go off was him team hopping due to his behaviour. Not that I'd expect you to recognise a bit of rationale.

I thought you'd been quiet of late, oh, the manager has been winning. Quelle surprise. See you after the next defeat, where you can retell your Suarez story, again.

To address the other points. Rodgers is successful in 6 month periods. The first half of last season we had very average form, culminating in the 4 CB set up against Southampton. Can't say it was 18 months of success prior, on the balance though I'll concede he was solid.

Balotelli on the same period was an established goal scorer. And all of his behavior issues are obviously exacerbated, that's not the reason Milan sold him so much as to make excuses for their own shortcomings.
 
Rodgers was more shite longer than Ballotelli.
Hahahahahaha.
I don't think there's ever been a worst post on here.
Really?

Balotelli was poor for a few month stretch and then got injured and banned for the twitter thing.

Rodgers set the team up poorly for a few months additional to that.
 
Really?

Balotelli was poor for a few month stretch and then got injured and banned for the twitter thing.

Rodgers set the team up poorly for a few months additional to that.

Why are you comparing a player to a manager?
It's fucking stupid.
 
Why are you comparing a player to a manager?
It's fucking stupid.
Because managers don't go in and out of form, so should be viewed more broadly?

The statement was along the lines of we shouldn't start Balotelli because he was poor for awhile, and we can't treat that as if it never happened.

Feels uneven to me considering how quickly we got over Rodgers leaving a lot to be desired in the first half of the year.
 
Looking at his career record, Zidane never really scored too many throughout his whole club career. He only scored double digits in the league once - and that was when he was 20 years old (10 goals for Bordeaux). All competitions considered, he scored in double digits only 6 times in 14 seasons after he turned 20 (2 in 4 seasons at Bordeaux, 1 in 5 at Juvenrus, 3 in 5 at Real Madrid). Actually his career assists stats are a bit mediocre as well - something like 28 assists in the La Liga and Serie A combined.

Anyway, as a sidetrack, since we're somewhat talking about goals from Coutinho... is it really reasonable to expect him to score more than 10 league goals a season with regularity? Perhaps so, given his obvious talent, but even if he doesn't, it's perhaps useful to be aware that he won't be the first highly-rated attacking talent to fail on that count. The same applies to Sterling, and Ibe.

I think it was Roscoe who mentioned this a while back, and I dug up some stats to back that up as well previously - an attacking mid (and I include wingers in this category) scoring regularly in double digits in the league isn't something that happens a lot, considering the number of players who have played in these positions over the years (we were looking at the Premier League but I won't be surprised if it extends to other leagues as well).

Look at the record for these guys who've done the business in the league:
- Overmars: once in 3 seasons
- Ljungberg: twice in 9 seasons
- Pires: 3 times in 6 seasons
- Bergkamp, playing further forward: 4 times in 11 seasons (his first 4 seasons)
- Fabregas: once in 8 seasons
- Cazorla: once in 3 seasons (might be able to make it twice in this 5th season; 7 goals so far)
- Giggs: twice in 24 seasons
- Scholes: twice in 20 seasons
- Beckham: once in 9 seasons
- Mata: once in 5 seasons
- Silva: 0 in 5 seasons (although he's on track in this 5th season; 9 goals so far)
- Duff (remember him?): 0 in 5 seasons in the PL with Blackburn; 0 in 3 seasons with Chelsea
- Cole (yes, I know, right?): 0 in 5 seasons with West Ham; 0 in 7 seasons with Chelsea
- Robben: 0 in 3 seasons
- Hazard; once in 3 seasons (on track to make that twice in 3 seasons now; 9 goals so far)

It is why Lampard's record - scoring in double digits in the league 10 seasons in a row, from midfield, for Chelsea (he was there for 14 seaons) - is so damn impressive, despite how much we'd love to hate him.

That doesn't mean we should lower the bar for our guys of course, but it does help that guys know that what they're asking for is no mean feat for a non-striker in the league.
Where the fuck is Gerrard?
 
... How is anyone dumbing down our own players??

Me and Ryan both have said Coutinho could be a great, we just think he should score more.

That's it

Ryan said he only beats people on the halfway line and doesn't make things happen like Lallana and also said he has never scored an important goal for us ever which was proved to be total rubbish too.

Your point was valid his was not.
 
He was. He was wasteful. Popped up in the 90th to win us the game, but aside from that he was poor.

You're overreacting because a month after the initial comments you're still throwing it in his face. At every opportunity.

He's been very open on his criticism of Coutinho and has said he thinks he could be brilliant.

And how were his comments trolling? He disagreed with a majority of the site and its trolling. He wanted more from Coutinho and he's starting to deliver consistently.
I think it might be down to the fact that Ryan never admits when he gets something wrong and is always the first to throw the boot into others when they do. He can be one of the worst for dragging up posts from the past to continue to hammer home a point.

If he had turned around and said 'you know what, I was wrong, Coutinho does create as much or more than Lallana, has scored very important goals but Christ I'd love to see him kick on a level or two and become a world beater who scored double figures from midfield' then this debate would have stopped some time ago.
 
You're remarkably good at extrapolating way more than I said.

Fact of the matter is Balotelli was shite, then he was excellent, and you aren't willing to give him an opportunity.

Rodgers was more shite than Balotelli was, for a longer period, and you're head over heels for him after we've turned it around.

Prior to that both were solid. On the balance of a couple years Rodgers a decent manager and Balotelli a decent striker.

I think it's valid to be just as forgiving to your players as your manager if not more so. Tell me why I'm wrong.


How in blue blazes does scoring a peno and a tap in equal the run Rodgers has us on??

Balo has gone from a total waste of space to a decent bench option.

Rodgers has gone from a crisis where we looked doomed to finish outside the top 6 to being the in form team in the league right in the mix for fourth, the favourites for the FA Cup and in pole position to make the next round of the EL.
 
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