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See, I think the CBs at least do have what it takes to do those things. Both of them were doing them last season. Problem is they (and a fair few of their teammates, judging by displays like today's) seem to have a terminal lack of confidence in the team unit and the system we're currently playing.
 
I think he's earned that from last season. That said, if I were John Henry and Tom Werner I'd be asking him some fairly pointed questions now.
 
See, I think the CBs at least do have what it takes to do those things. Both of them were doing them last season. Problem is they (and a fair few of their teammates, judging by displays like today's) seem to have a terminal lack of confidence in the team unit and the system we're currently playing.

Quite, and i think it's pretty simple. The system is too open and reliant on possession, or rather it's methodology assumes that we will have a high degree of ball retention in every game, when we don't, it doesn't seem like we have a plan other than "press", which is physically impossible to do consistently at a high level of pressure for 90 minutes in everygame. It's a system that seems great on paper or when you have the attacking players to make it work to the maximum, but like his first season, there's no compromise on it when the players aren't there. He still tries to make it work, with square pegs.

We're not giving defenders the freedom to know when to get rid and when to try to play their way out of trouble. He gives attackers license to use their heads and to express themselves, so why does it seem that defenders have instructions about possession drummed into them so hard, that inevitably when a decision is there to be made, natural instincts are at odds with the instructions from the sidelines, leading to predictable errors?
 
I think he's earned that from last season. That said, if I were John Henry and Tom Werner I'd be asking him some fairly pointed questions now.



I genuinely don't advocate getting rid at all but by the same token.... it will take an enormous amount of goodwill i think, lest we forget he has had a fucking huge wad of cash to spend and on the whole you have to admit its looking highly dubious.... his hit rate for signings is truly worryingly abysmal.

The jury is still out on a couple but apart from Sturridge and to a lesser extent Coutinho Rodgers seems to have signed a big steaming pile of shite players...

I truly can't understand/forgive Mignolet still being in situ....then the 50 million on centre backs...

A similar silly amount apparently wasted on attacking midfielders who don't play/score...

30M+ on your iloris and your origis and others i cant even remember the names of ...I cant get my head round the fact we seem to have just the 1 decent striker

I'm praying he turns it around but if we do finish outside the top 4 then the transfer committee, Rodgers included, deserve a firing squad.

It's not right that we are utterly hamstrung without 1 player. It's a bad dream, I'm hoping they all wake up and start playing well and sharpish.
 
I think he's earned that from last season. That said, if I were John Henry and Tom Werner I'd be asking him some fairly pointed questions now.
I get where you're coming from JJ, but just how did he really earn it?
Seems to me that without Suarez, the wheels are really falling off - despite being only one player down from last season and spending $100m+ on questionable assets.
I'm feeling that Cesc, Costa, and others are a better use of the bags of money that we seem to have. I don't buy the old chestnut that we tried but they don't want to come and play for Liverpool. Manchester City were a steaming pile of turd until the money showed up and players were lining up to move to the NE of England.
Lucky acquisition of Suarez, repeated mistakes by management, poor transfers. How does that "earn" anything?
 
I get where you're coming from JJ, but just how did he really earn it?
Seems to me that without Suarez, the wheels are really falling off - despite being only one player down from last season and spending $100m+ on questionable assets.
I'm feeling that Cesc, Costa, and others are a better use of the bags of money that we seem to have. I don't buy the old chestnut that we tried but they don't want to come and play for Liverpool. Manchester City were a steaming pile of turd until the money showed up and players were lining up to move to the NE of England.
Lucky acquisition of Suarez, repeated mistakes by management, poor transfers. How does that "earn" anything?
Suarez didn't play at the beginning of last season. We had Sturridge scoring the goals. We've lost both this season.
 
Suarez didn't play at the beginning of last season. We had Sturridge scoring the goals. We've lost both this season.

The point is, it's not just the forward line that's under performing - we spent big money across the team and the defence, midfield & forwards are all under performing.
 
We hung on for a few 1-0 victories including a penalty save. It wasn't that thrilling RM.
I know but without Sturridge we're not even getting the odd goal to hang on to. I hate what-ifs but if Sturridge played against Hull we would've won. Same today, I reckon he would have scored.

I'm not saying it's any good, but saying it was all Suarez is only partially true. We had a lot of luck last season and 2 outlets for goals.
 
I get where you're coming from JJ, but just how did he really earn it?
Seems to me that without Suarez, the wheels are really falling off - despite being only one player down from last season and spending $100m+ on questionable assets.
I'm feeling that Cesc, Costa, and others are a better use of the bags of money that we seem to have. I don't buy the old chestnut that we tried but they don't want to come and play for Liverpool. Manchester City were a steaming pile of turd until the money showed up and players were lining up to move to the NE of England.
Lucky acquisition of Suarez, repeated mistakes by management, poor transfers. How does that "earn" anything?
You know we came within one game of winning the league last season don't you?
 
You know we came within one game of winning the league last season don't you?


When you lose a game perspective is in short supply. We've had 2 wins, 2 draws and a loss in our last five league games and without our top scorer and yet you'd think we were in crisis.
 
People laughed at spurs last season. We are doing exactly the same thing.

Funny innit.
 
The point is, it's not just the forward line that's under performing - we spent big money across the team and the defence, midfield & forwards are all under performing.

I actually think that it is the forward line who are largely underperforming - it's exacerbating the short comings further back on the pitch.

Last season there were two main points in our play IMO.

1. We scored some sensational goals, tearing teams apart with movement and pace; not just running pace but ball movement. Players were running the instant we got the ball and the result was that we appeared to have tremendous pace. Barring Sturridge and Sterling we didn't have any truly rapid players. Suarez wasn't slow but he was by no means fast; same goes for Coutinho, Henderson or Allen. But the fact they ran like madmen the moment we got the ball made it seem that defenders were always chasing us.

2. Dominance in our own area. Ming was clearly unable to dominate his area the way rival keepers can. It made us look fragile, vulnerable and was a manner in which many teams thought they had a chance. Set pieces they used to swarm our box for that opportunity. Sometimes it came off but, when it didn't, they were in equal trouble themselves. We all said it last season - we lived on our nerves when teams went at us. It came off more often than not but we always looked vulnerable.

The biggest part of our success was movement. Suarez just moves all the time - he's a maniac and Daniel learned from him. Add to this the way Suarez clearly took Sterling under his wing and coached him in movement, constantly running to space. The result was that Coutinho, Gerrard and Henderson looked like magicians. Surez says the style of play we used was made for him. It certainly suited him but I think it was tailor made for Coutinho. With players in front of him constantly running for space he was in heaven. All three players kept racking up the assists and their apparent creativity took on mythical proportions.

With all this movement, opposing teams became very reactionary and looked to be chasing the ball all day long. I think we all commented on it last season - when the odd team did have the courage to press us at the back we looked stifled, edgy and searching for ideas. But there weren't many of them so, for the most part, our vulnerable back 5 were spared searing examinations.

This season the movement of Suarez has been replaced by Mario. The movement of Sturridge hasn't been replaced (that's on Rodgers). The movement of Sterling is still there but he's all alone. When Gerrard, Coutinho, Henderson, Lallana or Can get the ball there's very few options. They now have the option to hold onto it or give it to someone who's not really moving and so are forced to work a lot harder to create something. This makes us look laboured, unimaginative and short of creativity. Half the time they look behind them for the support and we start finding our vulnerable back 5 under a lot more pressure.

I agree with Jules that last season our CB's looked capable of bringing the ball out but they had, generally, more freedom to do so and more options available. Now it's harder and their decision making under pressure is being exposed.

I remember Viera explaining about a decade ago that a good striker made the midfield and defense look better than they were. This is exactly true of us now. Rodgers needs movement up front badly - Sturridge will be part of it but he's going to need more if we're going to be successful this season. I realize it's only half (or about 60%) of the game but I reckon the other 40% - our back line defending - is going to be much tougher to fix. Rodgers needs to get the front section sorted out first - he's done it before - and then he's going to need some real careful work and planning to resolve the back third.
 
Said it before - after most of our matches this season it seems. We have no pace or movement up front, no poised on the shoulder of the last defender to try and beat the off-side, no running the channels. We are too static. That is not only on the forwards but on Rodgers too.
 
Makes it worse it had to happen at the home of 'the best fans in the world' - a bunch of gut-busting retards who want everyone at the club sacked after two bad results, then decide they're going to dominate the league after a couple of good results. Ludicrous myth that gets repeated every bloody season.
 
Every single bit of yesterday, and this fucking mess we're in is on Rodgers. That fucking slop yesterday was a disgrace. And he stood there without a fucking clue what to do.

Here's a thought Brodge; don't allow your best player to play wide in a 3-5-2 and get doubled up on all day long.

After 5 minutes yesterday Alan Pardew had your half-arsed formation figured out. Alan Pardew for fuck's sake. Allow Lovren, Skrtel, Allen, Gerrard the ball. And repeat. And you continued to stand there watching. Fuck right off.

It was all I could do not to put my foot through the TV. Time to stop the face-rubbing Brodge and earn your fucking money.
 
Makes it worse it had to happen at the home of 'the best fans in the world' - a bunch of gut-busting retards who want everyone at the club sacked after two bad results, then decide they're going to dominate the league after a couple of good results. Ludicrous myth that gets repeated every bloody season.

I share your contempt of the Newcastle fans. Widely portrayed as the salt of the earth, they are in reality the stupidest, shallowest set of fans in the Premier League.

My seat in the Main Stand at Anfield overlooks the visiting supporters. The Geordies spend the entire match insulting the Scousers and rarely bother to give any support to their team. Utterly contemptible.
 
Pretty obvious. BR believes his own hype. We've been shit since he left his wife. He's become a billy big bollocks and it's showing.
 
Pretty obvious. BR believes his own hype. We've been shit since he left his wife. He's become a billy big bollocks and it's showing.
Maybe that is the case. I haven't given it too much thought, but maybe he has gone from a humble guy with a plan that worked hard to make good things happen to thinking he can do no wrong. He's computers, weight loss, young girlfriend. He thinks he's something he isn't.
 
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