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Senior Liverpool players turn on Benitez
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38055.msg1019289#msg1019289 date=1261437554]
fucking hell, yet another load of old tosh! ( no disrespct to Mr Toshack)
Why do people 'know someone' and post this utter shite, do they like shit stirring or just upsetting the people on the forum?
I actually DO know someone, I never ever wanted to say I did, but I KNOW SOMEONE involved at the highest level in the club, and ALL THIS IS PURE WIND UP SHITE!
I have know this person for over 40 years and he IS really really closely involved with the club, on a day to day basis with the players and Rafa.
So there, now I'm fucking off and not visiting the forum again.
Too many Drama Queens!
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Confirmed utter shite it is then
fucking hell, yet another load of old tosh! ( no disrespct to Mr Toshack)
Why do people 'know someone' and post this utter shite, do they like shit stirring or just upsetting the people on the forum?
I actually DO know someone, I never ever wanted to say I did, but I KNOW SOMEONE involved at the highest level in the club, and ALL THIS IS PURE WIND UP SHITE!
I have know this person for over 40 years and he IS really really closely involved with the club, on a day to day basis with the players and Rafa.
So there, now I'm fucking off and not visiting the forum again.
Too many Drama Queens!
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Confirmed utter shite it is then
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38055.msg1019289#msg1019289 date=1261437554]
fucking hell, yet another load of old tosh! ( no disrespct to Mr Toshack)
Why do people 'know someone' and post this utter shite, do they like shit stirring or just upsetting the people on the forum?
I actually DO know someone, I never ever wanted to say I did, but I KNOW SOMEONE involved at the highest level in the club, and ALL THIS IS PURE WIND UP SHITE!
I have know this person for over 40 years and he IS really really closely involved with the club, on a day to day basis with the players and Rafa.
So there, now I'm fucking off and not visiting the forum again.
Too many Drama Queens!
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I know absoloutely no one at the club personally. I still read it and thought of it as total fabricated bollocks
fucking hell, yet another load of old tosh! ( no disrespct to Mr Toshack)
Why do people 'know someone' and post this utter shite, do they like shit stirring or just upsetting the people on the forum?
I actually DO know someone, I never ever wanted to say I did, but I KNOW SOMEONE involved at the highest level in the club, and ALL THIS IS PURE WIND UP SHITE!
I have know this person for over 40 years and he IS really really closely involved with the club, on a day to day basis with the players and Rafa.
So there, now I'm fucking off and not visiting the forum again.
Too many Drama Queens!
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I know absoloutely no one at the club personally. I still read it and thought of it as total fabricated bollocks
i can imagine Reina, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres being pissed off for lack of talent in the squad..
i can imagine Riera, Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Aquilani, Benayoun, Eh Zhar being upset with lack of game time.
i can imagine Kuyt, Lucas, Ngog, Insua and Carra just being happy that they are in the squad.
Agger, Skrtel, Aurellio, Degen would probably be content with things as is..
i can imagine Riera, Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Aquilani, Benayoun, Eh Zhar being upset with lack of game time.
i can imagine Kuyt, Lucas, Ngog, Insua and Carra just being happy that they are in the squad.
Agger, Skrtel, Aurellio, Degen would probably be content with things as is..
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=38055.msg1019361#msg1019361 date=1261448032]
i can imagine Reina, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres being pissed off for lack of talent in the squad..
i can imagine Riera, Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Aquilani, Benayoun, Eh Zhar being upset with lack of game time.
i can imagine Kuyt, Lucas, Ngog, Insua and Carra just being happy that they are in the squad.
Agger, Skrtel, Aurellio, Degen would probably be content with things as is..
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Why would Agger and Skrtel be content?
i can imagine Reina, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres being pissed off for lack of talent in the squad..
i can imagine Riera, Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Aquilani, Benayoun, Eh Zhar being upset with lack of game time.
i can imagine Kuyt, Lucas, Ngog, Insua and Carra just being happy that they are in the squad.
Agger, Skrtel, Aurellio, Degen would probably be content with things as is..
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Why would Agger and Skrtel be content?
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=38055.msg1019364#msg1019364 date=1261448835]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=38055.msg1019361#msg1019361 date=1261448032]
i can imagine Reina, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres being pissed off for lack of talent in the squad..
i can imagine Riera, Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Aquilani, Benayoun, Eh Zhar being upset with lack of game time.
i can imagine Kuyt, Lucas, Ngog, Insua and Carra just being happy that they are in the squad.
Agger, Skrtel, Aurellio, Degen would probably be content with things as is..
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Why would Agger and Skrtel be content?
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i think both have been in and out regularly due to injuries and neither has been able to secure 1st choice. With Carra getting older and the back up being an old greek bloke the future looks bright for these two.. As far as game time goes..
Skrtel and Agger will both be at the world cup and neither would need to worry about not making the trip.. Unless of course they get injured. They are likely to be in South Africa simply due to their ages, experience and potential.
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=38055.msg1019361#msg1019361 date=1261448032]
i can imagine Reina, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres being pissed off for lack of talent in the squad..
i can imagine Riera, Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Aquilani, Benayoun, Eh Zhar being upset with lack of game time.
i can imagine Kuyt, Lucas, Ngog, Insua and Carra just being happy that they are in the squad.
Agger, Skrtel, Aurellio, Degen would probably be content with things as is..
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Why would Agger and Skrtel be content?
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i think both have been in and out regularly due to injuries and neither has been able to secure 1st choice. With Carra getting older and the back up being an old greek bloke the future looks bright for these two.. As far as game time goes..
Skrtel and Agger will both be at the world cup and neither would need to worry about not making the trip.. Unless of course they get injured. They are likely to be in South Africa simply due to their ages, experience and potential.
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
Robbie Keane wasn't going anywhere, not after just six months - That was utter bollocks. Until he did.
Hicks and Gillette did not talk to Klinsman behind Rafa's back - That was utter bollocks. Until they confirmed that they had.
Etc.
Just 'cos much of what we read is tosh, doesn't mean that everything is, chaps.
Robbie Keane wasn't going anywhere, not after just six months - That was utter bollocks. Until he did.
Hicks and Gillette did not talk to Klinsman behind Rafa's back - That was utter bollocks. Until they confirmed that they had.
Etc.
Just 'cos much of what we read is tosh, doesn't mean that everything is, chaps.
Did A Poster Called Headwanda just call everyone 'stupid' and 'gullible'?
That's some heavy-duty irony, right there
That's some heavy-duty irony, right there
He also said we were all sad. Truly sad.
Its hardly surprising if true. The performance on Saturday was a joke. No fight, urgency or any indication that any of the players actually gave a fuck that they were losing yet AGAIN. Another horror show. Benitez or some players or maybe even both need to fuck off in January.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=38055.msg1019731#msg1019731 date=1261512529]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
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His most ferocious detractors do, yes... As do his most ardent defenders, my friend. 😛
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
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His most ferocious detractors do, yes... As do his most ardent defenders, my friend. 😛
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019736#msg1019736 date=1261512740]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=38055.msg1019731#msg1019731 date=1261512529]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
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His most ferocious detractors do, yes... As do his most ardent defenders, my friend. 😛
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It must be bad, I'm beginning to imagine life without Rafa!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=38055.msg1019731#msg1019731 date=1261512529]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
[/quote]
His most ferocious detractors do, yes... As do his most ardent defenders, my friend. 😛
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It must be bad, I'm beginning to imagine life without Rafa!
Torres urges Reds to keep Benitez
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres says sacking manager Rafael Benitez will not solve the club's current ills.
Out of the Champions League and off the pace in the race to qualify for next season's tournament, the Reds have won just three times in 12 games.
"I think sacking the manager is not a solution," said Torres, who thinks the players are to blame more than Benitez.
"We have to play much better. The players are the people that have to find a solution to the situation."
He added: "It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now. Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation."
Torres also suggested that Benitez needed to strengthen his squad, but did not have the funds at his disposal to recruit high-calibre players.
"Obviously we need players," said Torres, who has scored 11 goals in 13 league games this seaon. "If we can bring quality players it should be really positive for us.
"But I think the situation is really difficult because I think we don't have money to bring in the best players.
"It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now.
"Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation.
"I have confidence in myself and my team. I know we are good enough. We were playing really well last season with the same team."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8427453.stm
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres says sacking manager Rafael Benitez will not solve the club's current ills.
Out of the Champions League and off the pace in the race to qualify for next season's tournament, the Reds have won just three times in 12 games.
"I think sacking the manager is not a solution," said Torres, who thinks the players are to blame more than Benitez.
"We have to play much better. The players are the people that have to find a solution to the situation."
He added: "It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now. Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation."
Torres also suggested that Benitez needed to strengthen his squad, but did not have the funds at his disposal to recruit high-calibre players.
"Obviously we need players," said Torres, who has scored 11 goals in 13 league games this seaon. "If we can bring quality players it should be really positive for us.
"But I think the situation is really difficult because I think we don't have money to bring in the best players.
"It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now.
"Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation.
"I have confidence in myself and my team. I know we are good enough. We were playing really well last season with the same team."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8427453.stm
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=38055.msg1019739#msg1019739 date=1261512830]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019736#msg1019736 date=1261512740]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=38055.msg1019731#msg1019731 date=1261512529]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
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His most ferocious detractors do, yes... As do his most ardent defenders, my friend. 😛
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It must be bad, I'm beginning to imagine life without Rafa!
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Are we putting on (gasp) attackers rather than LB's when we're losing by 1 with about 15 minutes to go..?
Ahhh, it's a Christmas MIRACLE!
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019736#msg1019736 date=1261512740]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=38055.msg1019731#msg1019731 date=1261512529]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=38055.msg1019380#msg1019380 date=1261454344]
I love the way some people just immediately confirm EVERYTHING that ever gets 'leaked' here (or elsewhere on the interweb) as utter bollocks, as if they themselevs were in the flippin' dressing room personally...
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What, you mean the same way loads of people post their opinion as fact when it comes to all things Benitez? 😉
[/quote]
His most ferocious detractors do, yes... As do his most ardent defenders, my friend. 😛
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It must be bad, I'm beginning to imagine life without Rafa!
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Are we putting on (gasp) attackers rather than LB's when we're losing by 1 with about 15 minutes to go..?
Ahhh, it's a Christmas MIRACLE!
I feel sorry for Torres sometimes
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38055.msg1019322#msg1019322 date=1261442358]
I might believe this if the 'senior players' hadn't included Aurelio. Who the hell is he?
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He's the player that has been in the newspapers recently, talking about not being sure if he's getting a new contract....
I might believe this if the 'senior players' hadn't included Aurelio. Who the hell is he?
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He's the player that has been in the newspapers recently, talking about not being sure if he's getting a new contract....
He shouldn't get one, and neither should Insua
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38055.msg1019744#msg1019744 date=1261513035]
I feel sorry for Torres sometimes
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from AM - a team he carried
to liverpool - ...a team he carries
well, at least he got a pay raise 🙂
I feel sorry for Torres sometimes
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from AM - a team he carried
to liverpool - ...a team he carries
well, at least he got a pay raise 🙂
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the_khl
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38055.msg1019823#msg1019823 date=1261518030]
He shouldn't get one, and neither should Insua
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Whether you like the player or not it would be extremely daft not to.
A 20-year-old Argentinian International will demand quite a fee to anyone - except of course if he could leave on a free.
He shouldn't get one, and neither should Insua
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Whether you like the player or not it would be extremely daft not to.
A 20-year-old Argentinian International will demand quite a fee to anyone - except of course if he could leave on a free.
That could just as easily be an argument for selling him.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38055.msg1019854#msg1019854 date=1261521190]
That could just as easily be an argument for selling him.
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It wasn't though.
That could just as easily be an argument for selling him.
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It wasn't though.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=38055.msg1019740#msg1019740 date=1261512922]
Torres urges Reds to keep Benitez
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres says sacking manager Rafael Benitez will not solve the club's current ills.
Out of the Champions League and off the pace in the race to qualify for next season's tournament, the Reds have won just three times in 12 games.
"I think sacking the manager is not a solution," said Torres, who thinks the players are to blame more than Benitez.
"We have to play much better. The players are the people that have to find a solution to the situation."
He added: "It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now. Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation."
Torres also suggested that Benitez needed to strengthen his squad, but did not have the funds at his disposal to recruit high-calibre players.
"Obviously we need players," said Torres, who has scored 11 goals in 13 league games this seaon. "If we can bring quality players it should be really positive for us.
"But I think the situation is really difficult because I think we don't have money to bring in the best players.
"It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now.
"Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation.
"I have confidence in myself and my team. I know we are good enough. We were playing really well last season with the same team."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8427453.stm
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I've got to say I had absolutely no confidence in the original post being even close to accurate........ until I read this article. It sounds like a positive, support the manager plea from one of our best and most high profile players. What it actually does is introduce into the public forum form a highly reputable media outlet the idea that our top players are of the belief that Rafa could be sacked.
In business the way to start the process of removing a chairman is for another director in a public company to say to the shareholders that he/she does not believe the chairman needs to be removed or that removing them would not really be the best move. You can't be shot for attacking the chairman in public but what it does is put in the minds of the shareholders the idea that this is an option. Same thing in politics; you get a member of the party to come out and say they do not believe the leader of the party should be challenged or to say they don't intend to challenge the leadership; immediately it's in the public mind that challenge is an option.
I don't know why Torres would come out and say that Rafa should not be sacked at this point unless he thought that was something that was being discussed or understood it to be a real option currently on the table. It may be that he's responding to a direct question but it still puts the thought out publicly.
Torres urges Reds to keep Benitez
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres says sacking manager Rafael Benitez will not solve the club's current ills.
Out of the Champions League and off the pace in the race to qualify for next season's tournament, the Reds have won just three times in 12 games.
"I think sacking the manager is not a solution," said Torres, who thinks the players are to blame more than Benitez.
"We have to play much better. The players are the people that have to find a solution to the situation."
He added: "It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now. Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation."
Torres also suggested that Benitez needed to strengthen his squad, but did not have the funds at his disposal to recruit high-calibre players.
"Obviously we need players," said Torres, who has scored 11 goals in 13 league games this seaon. "If we can bring quality players it should be really positive for us.
"But I think the situation is really difficult because I think we don't have money to bring in the best players.
"It's a difficult situation but every top team in the world goes sometimes through a bad situation like Liverpool now.
"Like every top team in the world, Liverpool will get over the situation.
"I have confidence in myself and my team. I know we are good enough. We were playing really well last season with the same team."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8427453.stm
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I've got to say I had absolutely no confidence in the original post being even close to accurate........ until I read this article. It sounds like a positive, support the manager plea from one of our best and most high profile players. What it actually does is introduce into the public forum form a highly reputable media outlet the idea that our top players are of the belief that Rafa could be sacked.
In business the way to start the process of removing a chairman is for another director in a public company to say to the shareholders that he/she does not believe the chairman needs to be removed or that removing them would not really be the best move. You can't be shot for attacking the chairman in public but what it does is put in the minds of the shareholders the idea that this is an option. Same thing in politics; you get a member of the party to come out and say they do not believe the leader of the party should be challenged or to say they don't intend to challenge the leadership; immediately it's in the public mind that challenge is an option.
I don't know why Torres would come out and say that Rafa should not be sacked at this point unless he thought that was something that was being discussed or understood it to be a real option currently on the table. It may be that he's responding to a direct question but it still puts the thought out publicly.
While what you say about removal mechanisms is true, I'm not sure political theory was in Fernando's curriculum in Madrid.
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=38055.msg1019983#msg1019983 date=1261535090]
While what you say about removal mechanisms is true, I'm not sure political theory was in Fernando's curriculum in Madrid.
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Doesn't mean others aren't talking to him about it.
I don't know if it's true or not but IMO the idea had very little credence until these statements from Nando.
While what you say about removal mechanisms is true, I'm not sure political theory was in Fernando's curriculum in Madrid.
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Doesn't mean others aren't talking to him about it.
I don't know if it's true or not but IMO the idea had very little credence until these statements from Nando.
You're reading far too much into it Wiz.
This is football and in football, if you go on a run of 4 wins in 17 games or however many it is now, you don't need anyone to plant ideas in your head about the manager being sacked - they're already there.
There is an immense amount of pressure on Rafa and there has been for quite a while - it registers from the commentary during games, football shows, radio phone-ins, papers and generally from the fact that the table reads like an obituary.
There may or may not be some Machiavellian plot to oust Rafa, who knows, but Torres is not oblivious to what's going on and he's simply addressing that (after probably being asked the question).;
This is football and in football, if you go on a run of 4 wins in 17 games or however many it is now, you don't need anyone to plant ideas in your head about the manager being sacked - they're already there.
There is an immense amount of pressure on Rafa and there has been for quite a while - it registers from the commentary during games, football shows, radio phone-ins, papers and generally from the fact that the table reads like an obituary.
There may or may not be some Machiavellian plot to oust Rafa, who knows, but Torres is not oblivious to what's going on and he's simply addressing that (after probably being asked the question).;
Call me a cynic.. and I've got a lot of love for Fernando.. but this could just be him setting himself up for a move should Benitez be sacked (and we fail to get Europe).
Sure, he says he loves the club - maybe he does. But he also loved Atletico and it didn't stop him from moving once they began failing to compete for top honours.
We fail to get 4th => Benitez sacked => Torres "unsettled" => World Cup shop window around the corner => No shortage of offers.
Sure, he says he loves the club - maybe he does. But he also loved Atletico and it didn't stop him from moving once they began failing to compete for top honours.
We fail to get 4th => Benitez sacked => Torres "unsettled" => World Cup shop window around the corner => No shortage of offers.
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