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Sadio Mane

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He's been getting French caps since 2010. I guess he's validated himself on a big stage now, but internationally he was always a player known to have this kind of potential. I don't think you can say the same about Kante or Kane.



I mean he was established for years as one of the better wingers in Ligue 1, and he's always had the talent to ratchet up the performance. I've literally known about him for a quarter of my life now.
Played for some average French sides for most of his career returning average stats, never plays for France at An international tournament before 2016 and never returns stats like he has done this season before in his career.

He's every bit comparable to kante in his rise to prominence
 
Mane is very quick, and also pretty well built so doesn't get knocked sideways by a breeze. It's great to finally have some pace in the side

Can we not just drop the has pace/doesn't have pace distinction? It doesn't serve any purpose, and is too crude and vague and inaccurate to do anything but confuse the issue. We don't have a team of immobile players. Very few are what you'd call 'slow'. We lack players with immediate, blistering pace. Most teams do. But we don't have a team of plodders. Take Firmino, who apparently doesn't have 'pace':


Before he arrived:

"Physically, he'll reach top speed quicker than most midfielders and he'll out-pace a lot of opposing players due to his above-average sprint speed".

http://fifa-player-ratings.pointafter.com/l/195/Roberto-Firmino


"When he was Hoffenheim’s coach Babbel could see that Firmino was going to become a great player. He especially likes his explosive pace and his absolute will to win.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/...ning-roberto-firmino-can-be-world-beater.html


The Brazilian is usually deployed behind the central striker, but can operate out wide on the left, where his pace and quick feet allow him to beat a man before picking out team-mates.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...et-making-waves-Bundesliga.html#ixzz4CltCD6kD
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"Pace, flamboyance and speed of thought are a given for any fleet-footed boy from Brazil, but it is the 23-year-old’s work-rate that could quickly endear Firmino to the Anfield crowd".

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ed-to-know-about-the-manchester-united-target



After he arrived:

""He lacks pace".

It's just utterly unilluminating and unhelpful.
 
quite correctly, because he's not very good.

I'm normally inclined to agree, he wasn't very good when we signed him. He'd had a shit year in France and he looked out of his depth, but by the end of the season it was bordering on disaster if he wasn't available, he'd become that important to the way we were playing. Granted it's only a short spell to judge him on (and probably symptomatic of how shite we were), but it's equally premature to be labeling him "not very good". He looked very good in the run in, against some quality sides too.
 
Can we not just drop the has pace/doesn't have pace distinction? It doesn't serve any purpose, and is too crude and vague and inaccurate to do anything but confuse the issue. We don't have a team of immobile players. Very few are what you'd call 'slow'. We lack players with immediate, blistering pace. Most teams do. But we don't have a team of plodders. Take Firmino, who apparently doesn't have 'pace':


Before he arrived:

"Physically, he'll reach top speed quicker than most midfielders and he'll out-pace a lot of opposing players due to his above-average sprint speed".

http://fifa-player-ratings.pointafter.com/l/195/Roberto-Firmino


"When he was Hoffenheim’s coach Babbel could see that Firmino was going to become a great player. He especially likes his explosive pace and his absolute will to win.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/...ning-roberto-firmino-can-be-world-beater.html


The Brazilian is usually deployed behind the central striker, but can operate out wide on the left, where his pace and quick feet allow him to beat a man before picking out team-mates.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...et-making-waves-Bundesliga.html#ixzz4CltCD6kD
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


"Pace, flamboyance and speed of thought are a given for any fleet-footed boy from Brazil, but it is the 23-year-old’s work-rate that could quickly endear Firmino to the Anfield crowd".

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ed-to-know-about-the-manchester-united-target



After he arrived:

""He lacks pace".

It's just utterly unilluminating and unhelpful.

I don't understand your point. We do lack pace in our attacking players, that much is obvious. Which is why we've bought a player for £30m who has some. Because it's important.
 
I'm normally inclined to agree, he wasn't very good when we signed him. He'd had a shit year in France and he looked out of his depth, but by the end of the season it was bordering on disaster if he wasn't available, he'd become that important to the way we were playing. Granted it's only a short spell to judge him on (and probably symptomatic of how shite we were), but it's equally premature to be labeling him "not very good". He looked very good in the run in, against some quality sides too.

What run in? the end of the season? He scored in four games out of 15.
 
He scored 10 goals in 33 games. Which funnily enough is identical to Mane's record in his first season with Southampton, two seasons ago.

I'm sorry, I thought by "run in" you meant "the latter part of the season".

In which he scored in four of the games he appeared in.
 
The "run in" he had was from Feb to the end of the season. He made 17 appearances (not all starts) and scored 7 goals.
 
He really hasn't been. He hit a few radars due to his assist stats the season that WHU signed him - but to say he was a "known entity" is extreme. Yes - not as unknown as Kante, but still very very largely unknown when WHU signed him.
Didn't he play every single World Cup qualifying game for France last time round? Hardly unknown
 
The "run in" he had was from Feb to the end of the season. He made 17 appearances (not all starts) and scored 7 goals.

Oh.OK, thanks for the specifics.

What were we talking about anyway? Mane? He's quite good and a lot better than origi? Was that it?
 
SkySports reporting 34-36mill. Wow. Lotta dough. Lets hope that Kloppo doesn't drop a 30+mill clanger like Kenny and Rodgers did.
10-15goals a season out of him and no one will give a shit about the fee.
 
90 million in fees paid to Southampton in last 3 years.

Stuff like this makes me question Fsg.

How can they have the wool pulled over their yes so easily
 
SkySports reporting 34-36mill. Wow. Lotta dough. Lets hope that Kloppo doesn't drop a 30+mill clanger like Kenny and Rodgers did.
10-15goals a season out of him and no one will give a shit about the fee.

Yeah, it's getting to the point that surely we are now statistically certain to spend £20-30m plus on a player and they start brilliantly, have an awesome first season, exceed all expectations and are worth at least double what we paid after a year or two?

(ie Suarez)
 
I like Mane. I think he'll prove to be a good player for us. Worth 34m? Who knows.. but he's an upgrade on Raheem in my opinion.

Stronger, as intelligent and a better finisher by far.

As long as we sell Benteke for a good fee, it'll turn out to be a good bit of business overall.

Mane, Origi, Sturridge, Ings, Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana - I like the attacking options there.

Now I hope we sell Skrtel and bring in another CB, bring in solid competition for Moreno and get in (most importantly) a play-making midfielder in the Modric/Alonso mould and I'll fancy us strongly for the top 4.
 
Why is it FSG's fault lol?

Why isn't it? Have a look at our recent transfer strategies. Kenny, Rodgers and now Klopp have all been in charge while we've paid well over the odds for Premiership players. They can't all be at fault, surely? The one constant is that fucking useless committee of non-football bellends.
 
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