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Ryan said:
There were 3 pages of debate about me that I hadn't even participated in. I notice another thread where you've brought me up too.

If it's that annoying for you, y'know...
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'Brought you up'?? I only respond to you when you make a comment about me, as you seem compelled to do, I couldn't otherwise give a toss.
 
Liverpool's team bus had barely turned on to the M6 before the airwaves and message boards began humming with criticism of Brendan Rodgers after Saturday's defeat at the Hawthorns. Ninety minutes was all it took to pass judgement for some members of a support that can appear to believe it has a divine right to titles.

That is worrying for Rodgers who is trying to change the culture and style of a hotch-potch squad recruited by four different managers. In indicating results are unlikely to pick up quickly he was looking way beyond a run of fixtures featuring last season's top three plus Sunderland away.

When Robbie Savage is cast as the voice of reason it is a sure sign that others have lost touch with reality but he may be right in suggesting Rodgers's task could take three years. Bill Shankly's first match as Liverpool manager was a 4-0 drubbing at home to Cardiff City. His second was a 3-0 defeat at Charlton and he took more than two years to lift Liverpool out of the Second Division. Fortunately for him, and Liverpool, there were no phone-ins nor message boards back then and not just because few people had telephones and the web was not yet invented. It was a more patient, saner age.
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Any time LFC loses to West Brom - ANY TIME, under ANY manager - many fans will be thoroughly pisssed off and angry. That's all it is, so far, and what's irksome are stupid reports like this berating fans for not dancing around laughing. (And Shanks took over when the club was in a lower division and shit, and all too familiar with 'drubbings,' so that's a stupid comparison on several levels.)
 
I'd also say that from what I can tell, the response has been remarkably sane. I think most people at least see this is entirely different from the Woy tenure, for instance.

We had a bad day, and had a bit of bad luck too. I don't think anyone believes the result was an accurate reflection of the overall play, and the manager will know a bit more about his players after that too.
 
I'm surprised some people have formed an opinion on Rodgers already. 'Dumbstruck' is harsh. We lost, we didn't play well but there was a massive element of bad luck involved also. I have every faith in the man. I hope they hammer Hearts. Restore a bit of faith, get the confidence levels up. Then hit City at Anfield like steam train.
 
I said he was dumbstruck during the match. There's all there is to it. It hasn't coloured my opinion of the man.

It's like saying Gerrard played badly. Doesn't mean he isn't still our best player.
 
Red Astaire said:
I'm surprised some people have formed an opinion on Rodgers already. 'Dumbstruck' is harsh. We lost, we didn't play well but there was a massive element of bad luck involved also. I have every faith in the man. I hope they hammer Hearts. Restore a bit of faith, get the confidence levels up. Then hit City at Anfield like steam train.
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Nobody has mate. The press will make up a story when there isnt one. No one is rodgers out.
 
Can't deny being severely pissed over the result, but its just plain stupid to cast judgement on rodgers based on one game. We all knew there were going to be times like this with us trying to play a different style of football. But as the season progresses i expect us to improve as the team start to gel.
 
I'm not going to lie, the result upset me so much that I caught a pigeon, named it Brendan and then put it in a blender with raw chillies.

The chillies were added because I wanted it to really sting Brendan as well as tearing him apart, just as the West Brom result affected me.

I don't think this makes me a fickle fan and Brendan retains my full support just like Rafa, Roy, and Kenny did until they didn't.
 
gene hughes said:
I'm not going to lie, the result upset me so much that I caught a pigeon, named it Brendan and then put it in a blender with raw chillies.

The chillies were added because I wanted it to really sting Brendan as well as tearing him apart, just as the West Brom result affected me.

I don't think this makes me a fickle fan and Brendan retains my full support just like Rafa, Roy, and Kenny did until they didn't.
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You are a very special person.
 
doctor_mac said:
I'd also say that from what I can tell, the response has been remarkably sane. I think most people at least see this is entirely different from the Woy tenure, for instance.

We had a bad day, and had a bit of bad luck too. I don't think anyone believes the result was an accurate reflection of the overall play, and the manager will know a bit more about his players after that too.
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Agreed. We dominated possession 59 to West Brom's 41% despite being reduced to 10 men for 32 minutes, there are people who say possession doesn't matter, but in general the team with the better stats tend to win, we'll get it right in the end, we just have to suffer some teething problems in the meantime. Like I mentioned in the match thread aswell, Rodgers had only been working with that team on Saturday for a couple of weeks (bar Skrtel, Agger and Lucas) due to international commitments. He's hardly supposed to work miracles in that kind of timespan. Obviously a win would have been great, but in a funny kind of way i'm glad the players have got this shock to the system early on and realise how much hard work is needed.
 
Hey Hansern remember that time i sent you a book all the way to scandinavialand and you never sent it back!?
Theiving fucking norge!
 
doctor_mac said:
I'd also say that from what I can tell, the response has been remarkably sane. I think most people at least see this is entirely different from the Woy tenure, for instance.

We had a bad day, and had a bit of bad luck too. I don't think anyone believes the result was an accurate reflection of the overall play, and the manager will know a bit more about his players after that too.
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Amen that this is different from the Hodgson experience. I concur 100%
 
Herr Onceared said:
Hey Hansern remember that time i sent you a book all the way to scandinavialand and you never sent it back!?
Theiving fucking norge!
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Hey Oncy, You remember that time you said you would send me videos from our glory days so I'd get the joys and education of those seasons? I even offered to pay the shipping. Did you throw out those videos?
 
Shelvey said:
Hey Oncy, You remember that time you said you would send me videos from our glory days so I'd get the joys and education of those seasons? I even offered to pay the shipping. Did you throw out those videos?
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Hey Shelvey....... i dont remember this!! Are you Wizzys brother? Were you called something else?
Pm me your address and i will send them as i still have them.
Applogies.
I blame Hansern.
And Paddy.
 
Happy Oncey will soon be gone forever.

Then we will simply have married Oncey
 
David Maddock's column today:

Nothing surprises in football, especially after almost 25 years of covering the historic institution that is Liverpool. Yet I have to confess to a slight twitch of the eyebrows returning from the Hawthorns at the weekend.

The social media revolution has brought many things, but considered opinion after calm reflection is not chief amongst them. Even so, the anger inherent in some of the responses to the opening day defeat was a little puzzling.

After - realistically - a decade of decline (it's indisputably five years, given that's when the Hicks-Gillett rot set in), and three years of Premier League mediocrity, no one, not even a nerdy kid with a plasticine scar on his head, could conjure something magical out of Liverpool Football Club.

In the past three seasons they have finished seventh, seventh, and eighth, and on all three occasions were so far off the Champions' League pace they were lapped.

That is the situation Liverpool find themselves in. They have a mid-table team (though largely still on Champions' League wages), they have had mid-table investment this summer after the excesses of the past, and they have a mid-table stadium generating mid-table revenue, with no signs of an upgrade.

Of course, they have top class fans and a top class history, which actually still stands for something, despite all the ridicule about living in the past; but even so, sixth place would be an achievement this season, and top four a bone fide miracle.

That is the context Liverpool and their supporters should surely have viewed the current campaign in, despite the optimism that sneaks up unawares on every fan as the opening day approaches.

And that is why the reaction on Saturday to a defeat that looked more of a freak result than an inevitable one seemed a little misplaced. The club has arrived at a position where patience is now required, because it will take time to turn the 'ocean liner' around, as owner John Henry so perfectly put it recently.

There have been four managers in three years, a change of ownership and wild changes of direction, and it can't continue like that any longer. What is required now is a long-term plan and time to implement it, which at least the current owners seem to have in place.

It obviously remains to be seen if Brendan Rodgers is the man to make Liverpool great again, but one thing is for sure, if he is that man then he will require time, patience and understanding before he arrives at that place.

In the meantime, he has a huge amount of work to. He needs to get rid of some average players signed for big wages, and replace them with hungry ones, ready to prove they are worth those colossal salaries.

He also needs to find a solution to the otherwise sublime Luis Suarez's obvious weakness in front of goal... though the pursuit of Clint Dempsey is clearly an attempt to address that.

Last season, Suarez was often part of a three man attack in which he was the only element remotely likely to provide a goal. Dempsey, with his prowess in that area, aligned with Fabio Borini who can also provide goals, should take the pressure off the South American, and perhaps even allow him to flourish.

If Rodgers does solve that problem, then Liverpool will be a different team, and if he can add more intelligence to his midfield and flanks (via the full backs), then he can improve on last season, and perhaps even give his side an outside shot at a Champions' League place.

Let's be honest though, that's all it will be - an outside shot, because top six is the more realistic aim. It is so hard for fans to take, but at the moment, the job is all about the process of cutting out the dead wood and replacing it with stronger timbers.

The reality of modern day football with massive long-term deals is that it often takes the length of those contracts to transform a club under a new manager, because it takes that long to get the well paid players out.

Which all means it could be two to three years before we see a real Rodgers team aiming for the top. It would be nice to think he will be given that time - by owners and fans - to at least have a shot at that.
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But then Maddock himself won't think twice about sticking the knife in a few weeks time if results go badly. The point is fine but it's a bit rich when it comes from someone involved in encouraging such an overreaction.
 
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