I said that at the match. This is probably the first time in over half a century both sides are shite
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We frequently dominate games but without a goal scorer it means nothing.
I don't agree. We were worse under Souness and definitely under Hodgson.
Missed the game. So it'll seem like we can't beat teams that are worse than us, yes?
Nah. Under Hodgson we had Torres, Gerrard, Reina. All three were on a downward slope but still better than the options we have now. Hodgson was a shit manager. But the first team was better than this.
No he shouldn't have
Nah don't buy that. Not much on bench tbf. It's only being suggested as they scored late on
On paper yes, in practice no. That team would never have stuck four on Manchester City at the Etihad.
Agreed, I think we were worse under Souness and Hodgson but in terms of quality on paper we were probably better. Not Klopps fault obviously mind you.
We play decent football these days but have a lot of average footballers in the squad.
Difficult to say. I am sure Klopp would have preferred that squad over this.
The argument about starting Benteke, or bringing him on earlier, is almost 100% undone by the shite that he dished up when he did appear. I mean, caught offside at the back post when you're looking across the whole line....that is fucking pub football. 32 fucking million.
Post Match Ratings
Mign - 6 - I think I'm being generous. He gives the defense no confidence whatsoever, and every set piece probably shortens a bit of our team's lives (not to mention the fans'). If there isn't some 'master' play where Mign is the back up next year - and we start with him next season, either Klopp is a magician or he's just another manager who's entered the Bermuda Triangle of management
Clyne - 6.5 - solid game. Contained Martial most of it, with help. Better in the attacking 1/3.
Moreno - 6 - I don't think he did anything wrong. Defended well and as usual, added his presence to the attacking 1/3 (with little final product help).
Sakho - 7 - MOTM - He played well. Some excellent tackles. Seems like his "i'm back from injury so I'll play like Bambi on Ice" jitters are over.
Toure - 6 - played well. Contained Rooney, despite Clattenberg allowing some nice pushes in the back to go unpunished.
Lucas - 6.5 - the ball to lallana was exquisite and should have been rewarded with a goal. He played well, some good passes but I still feel if he's starting these games next year, it's more because we've yet again ignored the glaring need for a DM.
Can - 5.5 - I like him, and I can see the progress ... however, far too often, he takes too much time on the ball. I know my rating is slightly harsh, and he did have a fantastic shot on goal, but we need him to be smarter and more consistent.
Henderson - 6 - Too wasteful. He had quite a few chances to get a goal early on and he just couldn't give us that lift that would have most likely given us a win. Some nice passing, and it's obvious why he's so important to the team ...
Lallana - 4 - I'll give him a point for the run and header that De Gea saved on early on. I don't think a team as average as ours can carry a player who makes great runs, presses well but cannot contribute goals/assists and is weak as piss. He should come off the bench against tiring legs ...
Milner - 5 - He works hard, and another player who Clattenberg allowed to get fouled time after time with no whistles (except for 1 in the 2nd half). He really doesn't add much as an attacking player, which means he should be next to Can/Henderson ... The signing that gave us so much promise seems to be yet another one of our poor Bosmans ...
Firmino - 5 - Here's a few tips to a player who obviously works hard and is very skillful. You have the ball in the box, shoot. The fact he let Martial get to him was very poor. Second, play with some urgency. He loses the ball too much because he takes his time assuming no one will be on his ass. He's a good player, who can grow to a very good player, but he's gotta adjust to the speed of the English game. If he doesn't do that, another Rodgers/TC flop.
Klopp - 5. I'm starting to get a bit worried. The extension to Mign followed by a team that had one player who has scored more than 10 goals in a season in any league. Ibe, despite all his faults - and I'm critical of them, brings speed and a goal threat. So when manure started getting an upper hand, why the fuck is he just watching the game not making changes? Just not very good ... I know it's not his squad, I know he's got a fucking great resume etc ... But warning signs are there.
This year has been miserable for me as a sports fan ... I'm so fucking bummed. I thought I got over this fucking stage as a fan but I feel gutted. To see that fucking twat score a goal here and talk about a 'great victory'? To see Felatio abuse yet another player and still manage 90 minutes? Those fucking cunts. We really should have won this game ... Really should have not lost ground on a fucking piss poor excuse of a 4th place contender. But you know what? We're an average team at best ... and we lack leaders ... and game changers ... and a goalie who can save us a point, or two or three, every week the way De Gea does ...I really really hope Klopp brings some light back to this team - but I just am losing faith in this team's ability to just make the necessary decisions consistently ...
Mign - 6 - I think I'm being generous. He gives the defense no confidence whatsoever, and every set piece probably shortens a bit of our team's lives (not to mention the fans'). If there isn't some 'master' play where Mign is the back up next year - and we start with him next season, either Klopp is a magician or he's just another manager who's entered the Bermuda Triangle of management
Clyne - 6.5 - solid game. Contained Martial most of it, with help. Better in the attacking 1/3.
Moreno - 6 - I don't think he did anything wrong. Defended well and as usual, added his presence to the attacking 1/3 (with little final product help).
Sakho - 7 - MOTM - He played well. Some excellent tackles. Seems like his "i'm back from injury so I'll play like Bambi on Ice" jitters are over.
Toure - 6 - played well. Contained Rooney, despite Clattenberg allowing some nice pushes in the back to go unpunished.
Lucas - 6.5 - the ball to lallana was exquisite and should have been rewarded with a goal. He played well, some good passes but I still feel if he's starting these games next year, it's more because we've yet again ignored the glaring need for a DM.
Can - 5.5 - I like him, and I can see the progress ... however, far too often, he takes too much time on the ball. I know my rating is slightly harsh, and he did have a fantastic shot on goal, but we need him to be smarter and more consistent.
Henderson - 6 - Too wasteful. He had quite a few chances to get a goal early on and he just couldn't give us that lift that would have most likely given us a win. Some nice passing, and it's obvious why he's so important to the team ...
Lallana - 4 - I'll give him a point for the run and header that De Gea saved on early on. I don't think a team as average as ours can carry a player who makes great runs, presses well but cannot contribute goals/assists and is weak as piss. He should come off the bench against tiring legs ...
Milner - 5 - He works hard, and another player who Clattenberg allowed to get fouled time after time with no whistles (except for 1 in the 2nd half). He really doesn't add much as an attacking player, which means he should be next to Can/Henderson ... The signing that gave us so much promise seems to be yet another one of our poor Bosmans ...
Firmino - 5 - Here's a few tips to a player who obviously works hard and is very skillful. You have the ball in the box, shoot. The fact he let Martial get to him was very poor. Second, play with some urgency. He loses the ball too much because he takes his time assuming no one will be on his ass. He's a good player, who can grow to a very good player, but he's gotta adjust to the speed of the English game. If he doesn't do that, another Rodgers/TC flop.
Klopp - 5. I'm starting to get a bit worried. The extension to Mign followed by a team that had one player who has scored more than 10 goals in a season in any league. Ibe, despite all his faults - and I'm critical of them, brings speed and a goal threat. So when manure started getting an upper hand, why the fuck is he just watching the game not making changes? Just not very good ... I know it's not his squad, I know he's got a fucking great resume etc ... But warning signs are there.
This year has been miserable for me as a sports fan ... I'm so fucking bummed. I thought I got over this fucking stage as a fan but I feel gutted. To see that fucking twat score a goal here and talk about a 'great victory'? To see Felatio abuse yet another player and still manage 90 minutes? Those fucking cunts. We really should have won this game ... Really should have not lost ground on a fucking piss poor excuse of a 4th place contender. But you know what? We're an average team at best ... and we lack leaders ... and game changers ... and a goalie who can save us a point, or two or three, every week the way De Gea does ...I really really hope Klopp brings some light back to this team - but I just am losing faith in this team's ability to just make the necessary decisions consistently ...
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If you're talking about the full squad, I'm not sure Klopp would.
When you compare the best players on Hodgson's team to the best players now, yeah, that team has a good edge:
--- Reina, Torres, Gerrard, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Kuyt -vs-
--- Sturridge, Henderson, Can, Coutinho, Clyne, ... I'm struggling to find more names I could put here
However, when you go beyond that though (I'm taking out the likes of Lucas and Skrtel who played on both teams):
Hodgson would count on the likes of Meireles, Maxi, Aurelio, Kelly, Cole, Kyrgiakos, Spearing, Konchesky, Poulsen, N'gog, and Jovanovic.
The current team after the best 5 players has Milner, Moreno, Sakho, Lovren, Gomez, Flanagan, Allen, Lallana, Ibe, Firmino, Ings and Origi. There's just no compare in this section.
ps. My eyes bleed at the sight of some of those names in Hodgson's team. There's some seriously fucked up shit in that squad.
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I only read the first four or five posts, but I thought the team played pretty well. Better than we have in a lot of games. That was a loss I can accept knowing the players were doing some things that looked much more positive.
Firmino had a very good game I thought.
Firmino had a very good game I thought.
I thought Can gave an accomplished performance as well
Considering my MoTM got 7, and he and Clyne got 6.5 - I don't really get your point ... he was the 2nd best player on the pitch for us ... and we were not that good overall. Should I just give him a 9 as he had a great game? Nah, didn't think so.
Thought he did the opposite of Arsenal ... Average (at best) 1st half, pretty good 2nd half.
Real ratings:
Mignolet - Will never be good enough
Clyne - good enough
Moreno - good enough
Sakho - Will never be good enough
Toure - 4th option
Lucas - has never been good enough
Can - should be a sub at max for a top team
Henderson - good enough
Lallana - waste of space. like putting a spoiler on a Fiat Uno.
Milner - past it.
Firmino - Cant tell with this cunt.
subs:
Benteke - my Gradma could tell this signing would be a train-wreck for Rodger's team.
Ibe - good enough.
Caulker - yeah.
We have a lot of work to do in the market.
Mignolet - Will never be good enough
Clyne - good enough
Moreno - good enough
Sakho - Will never be good enough
Toure - 4th option
Lucas - has never been good enough
Can - should be a sub at max for a top team
Henderson - good enough
Lallana - waste of space. like putting a spoiler on a Fiat Uno.
Milner - past it.
Firmino - Cant tell with this cunt.
subs:
Benteke - my Gradma could tell this signing would be a train-wreck for Rodger's team.
Ibe - good enough.
Caulker - yeah.
We have a lot of work to do in the market.
Good point. I guess it is a matter of opinion and we will have to agree to disagree. I think it is tougher to transform the current first category of players to the level we had in 2009 than improving the second category of Hodgson players to the level we have now. And we did have goals in that squad compared to now. Even the geriatric Maxi scored 15 goals in 57 PL games.
I tuned in around 35 mins and thought we were the better team and pressed well. We clearly don't have enough goal scoring midfielders or strikers. That was the difference.
Oh and them having a keeper that saves them 15 points a season, and us having one that costs us 12 points a season. Yeah that is a big difference between where both teams are right now (but not today).
Also, not marking Rooney Cost us. Overall, very disappointed BECAUSE we were so much better, and they are so bad.
Oh and them having a keeper that saves them 15 points a season, and us having one that costs us 12 points a season. Yeah that is a big difference between where both teams are right now (but not today).
Also, not marking Rooney Cost us. Overall, very disappointed BECAUSE we were so much better, and they are so bad.
I watched the first half but then had to go on the Harry Potter Tour at Leavesden Studios (Christmas present)
Great Hall - 7/10
Diagon Alley 8/10
Butterbeer 1/10 (rank)
Props and sets 10/10
Make Up and Art Design 9/10
Model of Hogwarts 10/10
Hogwarts Express 10/10
Me spending £25 on a Chudley Cannons T-Shirt for my lad 2/10
Me checking the score on my phone 0/10
Overall tour experience 9/10 - Highly recommended. 🙂
Great Hall - 7/10
Diagon Alley 8/10
Butterbeer 1/10 (rank)
Props and sets 10/10
Make Up and Art Design 9/10
Model of Hogwarts 10/10
Hogwarts Express 10/10
Me spending £25 on a Chudley Cannons T-Shirt for my lad 2/10
Me checking the score on my phone 0/10
Overall tour experience 9/10 - Highly recommended. 🙂
I don't relate to your personal ratings average, I'm saying Lucas was better than that. And if your alternative to 6.5 is 9? It's not that precise, is it.
Lucas had a great game, I thought Can was pretty lax though, he seemed to have an off game with a few moments of quality, pretty much the same as Firmino.
Anyway, Klopp is pointing out the errors, it seems regardless of personnel, we don't seem to be cutting the errors out, hopefully it's just a symptom of the overall quality of our defense and it's something he'll address in the Summer, because as far as organisation goes, we're still a shambles when it comes to defending setpieces, picking up runners from midfield, etc.
Anyway, Klopp is pointing out the errors, it seems regardless of personnel, we don't seem to be cutting the errors out, hopefully it's just a symptom of the overall quality of our defense and it's something he'll address in the Summer, because as far as organisation goes, we're still a shambles when it comes to defending setpieces, picking up runners from midfield, etc.
Sorry mate.
Biggest thing today was Milner and Lallana in wide positions. Both of them are/were garbage and we had no pace to get in behind them.
Lucas did pretty well as did Can. Mignolet was his usual self, and neither fullback got forward enough. Firmino did ok but I expect more although he had no real support options.
Kolo did pretty well and Sakho made some decent challenges but was average with the ball, with a couple of bad mistakes too.
Henderson just isn't good enough. A top player scores at least one of the chances he had.
Benteke did ok when he came on - he just appears too passive. Id like to see what he's like when someone really riles him. Ibe was pretty useless - he's no confidence to be of any effect.
I'd quite happily never see Milner and Lallana play for us again.
Lucas did pretty well as did Can. Mignolet was his usual self, and neither fullback got forward enough. Firmino did ok but I expect more although he had no real support options.
Kolo did pretty well and Sakho made some decent challenges but was average with the ball, with a couple of bad mistakes too.
Henderson just isn't good enough. A top player scores at least one of the chances he had.
Benteke did ok when he came on - he just appears too passive. Id like to see what he's like when someone really riles him. Ibe was pretty useless - he's no confidence to be of any effect.
I'd quite happily never see Milner and Lallana play for us again.
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