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moron said:
We were a few days a go 6 points behind the leaders - and as those above us are inconsistent and yet to play us at home - we have a great chance of doing something and challenging this season. If as LFC we don't think we can challenge when we were 6 points behind the top team, with half the season still to go then there is something wrong with us.
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We don't have a good enough squad to win the league. And a new manager who hasn't even had a preseason to work with his players. so how many points off the top are we now? Three more than last week. Who's to say it won't be another three come next weekend. The point is, we could microanalyse how many points we are off the top at this stage until the cows come home, but the bigger picture shows us still as a long long shot for the title.
I'm all for optimism, but it's probably over optimism that's caused the reaction that we are seeing here today.
Yes it was piss poor today, but what do we seriously expect? It's the same bunch of players that were playing dire football at the start of the season. We have a better manager and things are picking up, but talk of the league is seriously premature. Jurgen himself said its crazy to suggest anything like that.
Top four would be great. And even that means finishing above citeh arse Manu and a Spurs side who are playing some very good football.
 
Yeah - but do you really rate the other so called bigger teams and their players ? - most of them are shit if you really have a go at them. The entire league has just one really world class striker Sergio Aguero - the rest are either good or average or shit.
 
Hansern said:
Was our 5th game in 15 days. Looked like it aswell.
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I'm not sure that's a valid excuse. Firmino, Allen and Benteke haven't played every game, and they were all shit. Can and Lallana didn't play.

I think the biggest problem is that really good players are consistent and perform at a high level consistently. We don't have enough of that type of player. Joe Allen played really well against Southampton, but I was worried when I saw his name in the team sheet, because I'm not an idiot who thinks one good game by a player like him means he will have another. He won't, because he's shit.

And Firmino has had one good game for Liverpool in his career so far, so what we saw from him today was entirely expected and typical of the form he has shown.
 
Does no-one else think Clyne made an error for the first goal? He could see two players attacking him and Skrtel, he saw Skrtel take the deepest one and he saw the other player rushing into the box unmarked (he glances up at him a few times) then abandoned the unmarked player completely to go towards the player Skrtel was already tracking, forcing Skrtel to have to run to Clyne's man.

About 2 minutes 56 in this video
https://d1wst0behutosd.cloudfront.n...1rxyiTqJmg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJJ6WELAPEP47UKWQ
 
manwithnoname said:
I'm not sure that's a valid excuse. Firmino, Allen and Benteke haven't played every game, and they were all shit. Can and Lallana didn't play.

I think the biggest problem is that really good players are consistent and perform at a high level consistently. We don't have enough of that type of player. Joe Allen played really well against Southampton, but I was worried when I saw his name in the team sheet, because I'm not an idiot who thinks one good game by a player like him means he will have another. He won't, because he's shit.

And Firmino has had one good game for Liverpool in his career so far, so what we saw from him today was entirely expected and typical of the form he has shown.
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You get little time to prepare for the games though and some players have played a lot.
But not an excuse no.

Firmino needs time to adapt. He's shown what he can do, so lets give him a bit of time eh.
Looks better with Coutinho or Lallana in the side next to him.
 
refugee said:
Does no-one else think Clyne made an error for the first goal? He could see two players attacking him and Skrtel, he saw Skrtel take the deepest one and he saw the other player rushing into the box unmarked (he glances up at him a few times) then abandoned the unmarked player completely to go towards the player Skrtel was already tracking, forcing Skrtel to have to run to Clyne's man.

About 2 minutes 56 in this video
https://d1wst0behutosd.cloudfront.n...1rxyiTqJmg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJJ6WELAPEP47UKWQ
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Why on earth did Skrtel drop so deep while the other 3 held a higher line was my initial thought. That was awful from him when the cross came in.
 
Hansern said:
Why on earth did Skrtel drop so deep while the other 3 held a higher line was my initial thought. That was awful from him when the cross came in.
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Physical limitations. Skrtel knows that the Newcastle runner is at top speed, so if he'd stayed still and the ball was played in behind him then he'd have no chance of getting there first, and it would boil down to a footrace between the Newcastle player and Ming.
 
refugee said:
Physical limitations. Skrtel knows that the Newcastle runner is at top speed, so if he'd stayed still and the ball was played in behind him then he'd have no chance of getting there first, and it would boil down to a footrace between the Newcastle player and Ming.
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Nah, I think its poor decision making. Skrtel has a tendency to drop deep.
If he stays with the rest of the defensive line we either deal with the cross or the runner is offside.
 
I turned the game off around 80th minute mark and I've tried to shut football out since, not looked at the match report or read any threads on here.

It's been a long time since I've been this pissed off about a game. I don't really understand why though because it was so obvious we were going to fuck this up - it had all gotten too good and as such we were clearly due a massive kick in the nuts. From the first couple of minutes of the game we all knew what was in store. How many times have we had to sit through that same game?

I've even been playing it totally cool when talking about football over the last few weeks, wary of this very moment. Yeah, things are going good, yeah the team is looking transformed but it's early days and we've all been here before!

And yet here I am, another Sunday afternoon ruined by football.

The beautiful game, eh?
 
Hansern said:
Why on earth did Skrtel drop so deep while the other 3 held a higher line was my initial thought. That was awful from him when the cross came in.
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Because Mig isn't a good sweeper keeper. If we had a keeper like Reina for example then our defenders would know that the keeper will be first to the ball. Now our defenders must cover some of the space Mig should cover.

Of course Klopp will praise him and say that he is a intelligent keeper but we that have watched him a few years know that he isn't exactly the most intelligent keeper around.

We need a very good sweeper keeper or our defenders must continue to cover space the keeper should cover.
 
moron said:
You know that was just pure belief in the hope we would end up with an 8-0 win or something. However, the performance from today gave us no chance:-

1) Passing Slow - despite lots of spaces out wide
2) Two front men Benteke, Firmino - useless
3) Ibe - final pass + final decision was poor.
4) Pressing not as intense

Have no issues with his selection given that we played mid-week but kind of knew it was going to be shit and static up front when you consider Firmino is quite useless without his bro from Brazil, and Benteke makes a good statue.
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What gave you even the remotest idea that we would win 8 - 0?
 
When we've got space we look good but when we're attacking against numbers and we need to weave in between their players like barca our players don't move well enough and pass in short spaces. Benteke had the touch of a tractor and I saw Firmino like twice. That front 3 won't work. Ibe never had a pass on but even his crosses were shit

Then the midfield; without Can or Hendo we really miss that drive forward to try and make things work. Allen can't do it

But if Moreno's goal was given it wouldn't be so bad. Just one of them
 
SummerOnions said:
When we've got space we look good but when we're attacking against numbers and we need to weave in between their players like barca our players don't move well enough and pass in short spaces. Benteke had the touch of a tractor and I saw Firmino like twice. That front 3 won't work. Ibe never had a pass on but even his crosses were shit

Then the midfield; without Can or Hendo we really miss that drive forward to try and make things work. Allen can't do it

But if Moreno's goal was given it wouldn't be so bad. Just one of them
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Spot on with that - there were tons of gaps in that game where we could have exploited Newcastle badly but for the pace of the passing and movement from our players today was just so damn slow. You are right - if there is one major difference today - we missed the drive from midfield of Can.
 
Jack D Rips said:
What gave you even the remotest idea that we would win 8 - 0?
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Confidence based on the last result and the fact that Newcastle have been so shit. But right now I just feel shit so don't bother kicking me while I am down, I am already pissed at this game today.
 
I'm actually glad we lost. It was starting to get a little embarrassing for the posters who point out that the line-up is wrong before kickoff each week.

It's nice that they got to win one this weekend.
 
Ibe had a poor game but I thought it was obvious that he was instructed to run at the defence whenever possible yesterday.
 
keniget said:
I turned the game off around 80th minute mark and I've tried to shut football out since, not looked at the match report or read any threads on here.

It's been a long time since I've been this pissed off about a game. I don't really understand why though because it was so obvious we were going to fuck this up - it had all gotten too good and as such we were clearly due a massive kick in the nuts. From the first couple of minutes of the game we all knew what was in store. How many times have we had to sit through that same game?

I've even been playing it totally cool when talking about football over the last few weeks, wary of this very moment. Yeah, things are going good, yeah the team is looking transformed but it's early days and we've all been here before!

And yet here I am, another Sunday afternoon ruined by football.

The beautiful game, eh?
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Except it looked exactly the same against Swansea and we managed to pull off a result so I don't agree with the we all knew the result.
 
Rosco said:
I don't understand why everyone gets so animated about a result like today.

We've a squad full of marginal talent and half fit players that need to be held back every now and again.

Results like this happen.
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Mainly because we have embarrassed ourselves talking about winning the title.

That was poor but it happens to every new manager in the Premiership, they under estimate the resistance that lower placed teams will put up and get turned over.

Lucas and Allen will never work as a midfield. Too slow, too cautious too mediocre. Lucas really is nowhere near as good as some people pretend he is.

People keep comparing Ibe with Sterling but hes far more like Ryan Babel
 
RedStar said:
Mainly because we have embarrassed ourselves talking about winning the title.
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Leicester will come back to the pack that means we are effectively 7 pts behind the top and no other team is looking remotely like they will run away with it. All have issues. The same positive factors remain, we slipped up in one match and Klopp learnt a lesson (not that I'm giving the players a free pass though), there's the January transfer window and the very positive remaining match schedule. The league isn't done and dead just because we lost one match, there's a lot of improvement to come from this squad.
 
Am I right in sayig Klopp hasn't had a full week of training without a game yet? It's either been 2 games a week or international breaks.
 
Klopp obviously got it wrong for this particular game, but hopefully this defeat will give him lots of useful information about our team's shortcomings. If so, then maybe in a long run this defeat can prove more useful than a lucky win like Swansea. Overall, I'm not too down on this (even though during the game I wanted to tear my hair out); like I said a couple days ago I don't believe this team has what it takes to win the title this year. Top 4 always was the aim and we should get it if some of the glaring issues we saw today are addressed.
 
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Lucas isn't the problem. The problem is that when Allen play then he acts as the defensive playmaker something Lucas is used to do when Allen isn't playing. Allen is very weak and that leaves Lucas covering for him when players gets past him and that happens a lot of times during a game.

It is the same problem we have had all season. Pressure Allen and it is game over for him. He is a shit defensive player.

It is a big difference when Can plays. Lucas and Can is one of the best midfield combinations in the league.
 
RedStar said:
Mainly because we have embarrassed ourselves talking about winning the title.

That was poor but it happens to every new manager in the Premiership, they under estimate the resistance that lower placed teams will put up and get turned over.

Lucas and Allen will never work as a midfield. Too slow, too cautious too mediocre. Lucas really is nowhere near as good as some people pretend he is.

People keep comparing Ibe with Sterling but hes far more like Ryan Babel
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You can't blame Klopp for title talk.

That was fans, mostly on the back of a string of match reports & articles suggesting it, all in the same day.

Klopp dismissed title talk this season as 'crazy' more than once.
 
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