Newcastle Post Match

[Oncy]

It isnt crazy though is it?

City have lost 2 of their last 3.
Chelsea......well....
United cant buy a goal.
Arsenal have a long injury list and fall apart in January.
Spurs havnt player many big teams.
Leicester havnt played many big teams.

I keep coming back to the fact that we have played away to
Stoke
Chelsea
United
Spurs
City
Arsenal
Everton
All before Christmas. What looked like the fixture list from hell now looks like a blessing. If we were 15 points off the top then yeah fair play, we are what? 7 points behind Arsenal?
Weve got all of those teams to come to Anfield, with Henderson, Sturridge, Coutinho, Gomez, Can, Sakho, Ings all missing at the moment and due back in the main part soon. Plus we are 3 weeks from the transfer window and you can bet your arse Jurgen has asked for some CM reinforcements.

We might not win the title, but we are hardly the wildest bet in the world. I think id rather be us right now than any team excluding maybe City.

Yesterday was a kick in the balls because we played so fucking horribly but credit to Newcastle we didnt get any time to settle. Im pretty sure if we had Lallana and Coutinho start in place of Ibe and Firmino we would have won that game yesterday. But there you go, we lost to a team fighting for their lives after playing 5 games in 2 weeks, shit happens.

I think talk of the title is premature, but its not a pipe dream.
Its based on realism.
Of the top 8 teams last year I dont think we have a single one to play away after just 4 months of the season.

 

[JohnnyRocket]

I've never been a huge fan of the diamond 4-4-2, because I've always felt the system is flawed. But it is amazing how much better we look when we do it - both under Rodgers and at Southampton under Klopp. When we try to break stubborn teams down with a 4-2-3-1 we look so one paced and devoid of ideas.

I'd look to get to this as quickly as possible - maybe for West Brom.

Mignolet

Clyne Skrtel Lovren Moreno

Can Lucas Henderson

Coutinho

Sturridge Firmino

 

[Oncy]

It isnt crazy though is it?

City have lost 2 of their last 3.
Chelsea......well....
United cant buy a goal.
Arsenal have a long injury list and fall apart in January.
Spurs havnt player many big teams.
Leicester havnt played many big teams.

I keep coming back to the fact that we have played away to
Stoke
Chelsea
United
Spurs
City
Arsenal
Everton
All before Christmas. What looked like the fixture list from hell now looks like a blessing. If we were 15 points off the top then yeah fair play, we are what? 7 points behind Arsenal?
Weve got all of those teams to come to Anfield, with Henderson, Sturridge, Coutinho, Gomez, Can, Sakho, Ings all missing at the moment and due back in the main part soon. Plus we are 3 weeks from the transfer window and you can bet your arse Jurgen has asked for some CM reinforcements.

We might not win the title, but we are hardly the wildest bet in the world. I think id rather be us right now than any team excluding maybe City.

Yesterday was a kick in the balls because we played so fucking horribly but credit to Newcastle we didnt get any time to settle. Im pretty sure if we had Lallana and Coutinho start in place of Ibe and Firmino we would have won that game yesterday. But there you go, we lost to a team fighting for their lives after playing 5 games in 2 weeks, shit happens.

I think talk of the title is premature, but its not a pipe dream.
Its based on realism.
Of the top 8 teams last year I dont think we have a single one to play away after just 4 months of the season.

Correction we still have Southampton away.

Give yourself a treat and scroll through our fixtures between now and the end of the season.
I know there are ZERO easy games but if someone said you have to play EVERY TEAM ONCE and you have to have equal homes and aways, you wouldnt write it any different.

We have qualified in Europe, were in the Semi of the Rumbelows cup and we are up near the top of the league.
Exciting times.

Transfers I suppose as always will define our season.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Half chance ? He was 2 metres out - he could have swung his cock at it and it would have gone in ! In fact that's what he should have done and we'd have won the match.

I was being generous.

I have said before he is no where near top class and misses chances like that show the ed the likes of studge give you.

Edit: Also JK will quickly learn you cant chop and change 6/7 players every match in england and still expect same fluency.

 

[Silver Sean]

Liverpool FC – making shit teams look world-class since 1892™

 

[FoxForceFive]

I agree oncey, I still think there's a chance despite that shocking result. Simply because no other side in the league seems to want it & that fixture list of ours now looks the easiest on paper.

Klopp's attitude afterwards have me hope. I think one thing I read from the past match press conference stuck out. He said something like 'if we made a mistake before the game that is easily fixed because we simply don't do that again'.

Now, unless he means training, which I doubt, the only mistake he can make before the game starts is the selection.

If anything I think that yesterday was him putting too much trust in players he hasn't given that much responsibility before. Prior to this week he'd been using a threadbare squad to pick a side, & hardly changing it, he made wholesale changes for the league cup & it worked, & then he's thought he can trust all the players in both those sides & made an amalgamation of the two.

I wouldn't be surprised if Benteke doesn't start a game for a fair while & unless injury dictates it I'd be very surprised if we start another game with Lucas & Allen together in the centre.

I think now we see if Klopp can learn from his mistakes, or if he suffers from the same hubris as all our past managers have, in sticking blindly with their mistakes in the hope they'll be proven right in the end.

 

[6TimesaRed]

For me this was the problrm.. Only two changes needed to be made from the game in midweek, You know the team that scored 6 away from home..

Milner for Can

Clyne for Randall


Benteke is at best an option from the bench.. The great big lump.. Sturridge should of started.. and Origi too... Why? Because they would of been oozing in confidence after midweek..

Anyway at least its downplayed all this title talk nonsense

 

[manwithnoname]

I think now we see if Klopp can learn from his mistakes, or if he suffers from the same hubris as all our past managers have, in sticking blindly with their mistakes in the hope they'll be proven right in the end.

Hmmm. Rodgers (and Benitez before him) wasn't consistent; he gave some players chance after chance, and others seemed to never really gain his trust. I do think that Klopp - like all managers really - does have certain amount of ego to him, and that's fine, but he also does seem to stay loyal in his players over a long period of time.

At Dortmund that paid dividends, and was lauded as evidence of his patience and eye for a player, but he can't show the same loyalty and patience at Liverpool, because we've been here longer than he has, and we KNOW that - for instance - Joe Allen and Lucas isn't a viable midfield partnership and should never play together.

 

[Mamma Mia]

If we just use the manager for training and team talks while leaving transfer strategy and starting line-ups to fan forums we would walk the league every year.

 

[Mamma Mia]

I left out tactics because I think we all know that tactics are merely a product of the team selection and the way you lay out the formation

 

[FoxForceFive]

All managers have a certain amount of it though, they must do to get to where they are, & at times it pays dividends.

Ferguson at Utd insisted on playing some players the fans hated for a season or two before they came good. Whilst none of those players were ever world beaters they became integral to their success as ever consistent performers whose performance was always at a certain level. Carrick was probably the last I can think of. So many Utd fans hated him at first & he never looked a world beater, but became a major part of their team without ever becoming outstanding.

I just hope Klopp has more of a balance to his ego to correct the worst of his mistakes.

 

[Arn]

The so called golden generation is the big reason to Uniteds success. That allowed them to sign two or three top class players a year instead of needing to sign a whole new squad and they could afford to spend money on Old Trafford.

They also and still are great making shirt sellers. Depay hasn't been great but they sell a lot of Depay shirts.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Every week people post the team they think should play (often prefaced by something like "the team picks itself).

These line ups are invariably different, yet after a loss, there always seems to be consensus about how obvious it was that X should have played instead of Y.

It's fucking ridiculous before you even get to the point of considering how many factors we are blind to.

 

[manwithnoname]

Every week people post the team they think should play (often prefaced by something like "the team picks itself).

These line ups are invariably different, yet after a loss, there always seems to be consensus about how obvious it was that X should have played instead of Y.

It's fucking ridiculous before you even get to the point of considering how many factors we are blind to.

Yeah, but most people haven't got a clue what they're talking about, so can safely be ignored. There were, however, more than a few who looked at that line-up and instead of saying "8-0" actually thought...."oh dear, that's not good".

 

[ILD]

That was a very frustrating game to watch. The team selection didn't inspire confidence. Allen and Lucas looked to be moving in slow motion at times. Horrible game to watch as a fan and I was glad when it was over.

Seven days rest now until West Brom at home. This game coincides with 6CM Drinkies so a win is mandatory here.

 

[manwithnoname]

That was a very frustrating game to watch. The team selection didn't inspire confidence. Allen and Lucas looked to be moving in slow motion at times. Horrible game to watch as a fan and I was glad when it was over.

Lucas's glacial movement and inability to move the ball on quickly was causing Klopp conniptions on the touchline.

 

[Hansern]

That was a very frustrating game to watch. The team selection didn't inspire confidence. Allen and Lucas looked to be moving in slow motion at times. Horrible game to watch as a fan and I was glad when it was over.

Seven days rest now until West Brom at home. This game coincides with 6CM Drinkies so a win is mandatory here.

Sion away on Thursday?

 

[Jack D Rips]

That was a very frustrating game to watch. The team selection didn't inspire confidence. Allen and Lucas looked to be moving in slow motion at times. Horrible game to watch as a fan and I was glad when it was over.

Seven days rest now until West Brom at home. This game coincides with 6CM Drinkies so a win is mandatory here.

Indeed Dave. You will need 7 days rest before the drinkies. Unfortunately the team have to play on Thursday.🙂

 

[ILD]

Damn. Forgot about the Sion game.

 

[Arn]

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/12/stat-sloppy-liverpool-misplaced-124-passes-vs-newcastle/

 

[Arn]

Most worrying was the abject performance of lone striker Christian Benteke.
The £32.5 million Belgian struggled to contribute to buildup play, as well as fading in the final third when the bright Jordon Ibe looked to prompt attacking moves.
Benteke was Liverpool’s least effective passer on the afternoon, completing just 55.2 percent of his attempted passes.

Alberto Moreno, Adam Lallana, Joe Allen, Ibe, James Milner, Daniel Sturridge, Simon Mignolet and Divock Origi all registered a passing accuracy lower than 80 percent.

 

[manwithnoname]

Most worrying was the abject performance of lone striker Christian Benteke.
The £32.5 million Belgian struggled to contribute to buildup play, as well as fading in the final third when the bright Jordon Ibe looked to prompt attacking moves.
Benteke was Liverpool’s least effective passer on the afternoon, completing just 55.2 percent of his attempted passes.

Alberto Moreno, Adam Lallana, Joe Allen, Ibe, James Milner, Daniel Sturridge, Simon Mignolet and Divock Origi all registered a passing accuracy lower than 80 percent.

Benteke was very poor, agreed, but I don't think he was any worse than Lucas, Firmino or Allen. He was entirely isolated for much of the game, because Firmino was totally ineffective and only Ibe was making any runs forwards, and the dire midfield duo of Allen and Lucas were invisible.

I'm not trying to protect or excuse a dismal display, but he was given zero help and it seems unfair to pick him out.

 

[Tinto]

Benteke was very poor, agreed, but I don't think he was any worse than Lucas, Firmino or Allen. He was entirely isolated for much of the game, because Firmino was totally ineffective and only Ibe was making any runs forwards, and the dire midfield duo of Allen and Lucas were invisible.

I'm not trying to protect or excuse a dismal display, but he was given zero help and it seems unfair to pick him out.

Don't think it is unfair to pick him out for extra criticism because he didn't do enough to help himself.

 

[tony]

Benteke was very poor, agreed, but I don't think he was any worse than Lucas, Firmino or Allen. He was entirely isolated for much of the game, because Firmino was totally ineffective and only Ibe was making any runs forwards, and the dire midfield duo of Allen and Lucas were invisible.

I'm not trying to protect or excuse a dismal display, but he was given zero help and it seems unfair to pick him out.

Absolutely fair to pick him out, he was utter shite and static as a fucking balisha beacon. He also cost us the game with that incredible miss from 2 bleeding yards

 

[manwithnoname]

Absolutely fair to pick him out, he was utter shite and static as a fucking balisha beacon. He also cost us the game with that incredible miss from 2 bleeding yards

OK, I get that. What I was saying is that he wasn't the only player who was totally dogshit. He was one of several who could have been picked out, because Firmino, Lucas and Allen were all as bad.

 

[Modo]

Now that I'm done venting over that cunt of a game yesterday I really hope Klopp knows more about the players he has and how they should be used.
Weird feeling today, can't read the papers. Trying to avoid anything that reminds me of the game.
That result really brought me down to earth again. Winning the league is out of the question.

 

[Judge Jules]

Now that I'm done venting over that cunt of a game yesterday I really hope Klopp knows more about the players he has and how they should be used.
Weird feeling today, can't read the papers. Trying to avoid anything that reminds me of the game.
That result really brought me down to earth again. Winning the league is out of the question.

It's no more out of the question now than previously. It remains what it was before yesterday's game - a pretty remote chance but a chance nonetheless, especially in this season where every team's playing "After you, Claude" with the league leadership.

 

[Woland]

We're defo gonna win league, this just means we might not have it in the bag by March.

 

[Modo]

It's no more out of the question now than previously. It remains what it was before yesterday's game - a pretty remote chance but a chance nonetheless, especially in this season where every team's playing "After you, Claude" with the league leadership.

We really need to win when our rivals are dropping points. A performance like yesterday's is unacceptable.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

We really need to win when our rivals are dropping points.

That will always remain one of the most bizarre statements to me, and it's always said. We need to win more when our rivals win games, not when they lose.