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I agree that Gerrard has been far from a great captain this season - while in the past he indeed led by example this season his form has been very poor and I believe he needs to be dropped soemtimes.
Having said that I don't think he should be replaced as captain at this stage. Not just yet.
I am though all for a new vice-captain for the times Gerrard in on the bench.

I think Suarez could be a good captain.
He's our best player.
Nobody wants to win more than he does.
He already seems to be one of the leaders (if not THE leader) of this team (if in previous matches Gerrard was taking our free kicks - then standing next to Suarez who was taking them - today it was all clear that Suarez takes them).
Making him captain may help taming his stormy character on the field as well as hopefully make him stick around for many years to come.
 
Gerrard will be captain for as long as he plays for us.

When Carra retires, I'd give the vice captaincy to either Skrtel, Agger or Suarez.
Then promote that person to captain when Gerrard retires.
 
I hope it's not until he retires

Sami was a fantastic captain and he had it taken off him for less.

Gerrard at the moment doesn't deserve it
 
Gerrards having a huge house party i wasnt invited to, he's still at it now. Guess he figured it would be the best way to get over the loss.

*He isn't DJ, surprisingly.
 
The matter of 'who should be our captain' is about 43215609451th in our list of priorities.

It's so unimfuckingportant it's untrue.
 
Too much fuss is made in England about who is captain. Seems to me it is more to do with marketing/PR than with what actually happens on the pitch.
 
I disagree, Ryan.
It may not be THE issue but it's certainly an important one.
You need a leader on the field to drive the players around him. This is especially true when the team is under performing.
 
The captain is the manager's voice on the pitch, having someone who's apathetic or doesn't follow instructions well is surely a detriment?
 
Steven Gerrard has never been the true captain, it's always been Jamie Carragher.

We don't need a different captain, we need several 'captains'; players who can consistently be motivated.

Too often the current crop of players look to have the skills but lack concentration. Occasional performances aren't good enough, game to game focus and desire on the pitch is needed. Not smart alec interviews in the media about how lucky they are to play for 'this great club' blah blah blah.

Show it. Do it.
 
The matter of 'who should be our captain' is about 43215609451th in our list of priorities.

It's so unimfuckingportant it's untrue.

Agreed.

And even if we did give it to someone else, who would we give it to that it'll make any meaningful difference...
 
I think the fact that there is no one screaming out to us as captain material (except for Suarez perhaps) is indicative of our lack of metal fortitude. We've got a team of pussies.

I agree it's largely irrelevant at this point though.
 
I disagree, Ryan.
It may not be THE issue but it's certainly an important one.
You need a leader on the field to drive the players around him. This is especially true when the team is under performing.
A proper leader doesn't need a armband to drive the players around him. If we had anyone on the pitch that was capable of being a leader they would do it regardless of whether they were captain or not, as Carra has shown for the last decade.

A new captain is the least of our problems.
 
A proper leader doesn't need a armband to drive the players around him. If we had anyone on the pitch that was capable of being a leader they would do it regardless of whether they were captain or not, as Carra has shown for the last decade.

A new captain is the least of our problems.

I agree to some extent.
However the shadow of Stevie might be an obstacle for others who are not as close to him as Carra.
 
There's no need for someone to shout, so long as someone provides some leadership. Gerrard has never really 'captained'. He's just been the best player and scored some crucial goals.
 
Well, Suarez seems to be running and chasing every ball and opposition player, and is by far our best player and scorer of most of our goals. He should be a great example for the others (leaving his antics aside), but for some reason many of the others are not following his example.
It might take a shake up in the team to make them follow his example.
 
True, I dont see many (any?) captains in that team really. Suarez, Agger, Skrtel and Shelvey look like they give a shit though.
 
For all those getting worked up on this thread, not to worry.

Gerrard is captain until he decides he's not captain or he retires. Simples.
 
In terms of body language... Gerrard was screaming at everyone for each little mistake in the first 15 mins even though he was the worst culprit. He was having a right go at Suarez when he messed that little pass up. Then a few mins later when Suarez put him through and he messed up, well he did that little clap thing over his head as he walked off but you could see Suarez shouting some encouragement to him, probably expecting some thanks for an ace ball, but it went completely unacknowledged as Gerrard jogged back to the halfway line, head down, expressionless. I strongly doubt he couldn't tell Suarez was trying to get hold of him. I often find myself watching how Gerrard interacts with the team and most of the time it's as if he's on a different plane altogether. Winds me up.
 
In terms of body language... Gerrard was screaming at everyone for each little mistake in the first 15 mins even though he was the worst culprit. He was having a right go at Suarez when he messed that little pass up. Then a few mins later when Suarez put him through and he messed up, well he did that little clap thing over his head as he walked off but you could see Suarez shouting some encouragement to him, probably expecting some thanks for an ace ball, but it went completely unacknowledged as Gerrard jogged back to the halfway line, head down, expressionless. I strongly doubt he couldn't tell Suarez was trying to get hold of him. I often find myself watching how Gerrard interacts with the team and most of the time it's as if he's on a different plane altogether. Winds me up.

He's always done that. And to be fair to him up, with 1 or 2 exceptions, most of the Liverpool teams he has played in included an army of shit players! Other than Ged's tripple winning season and a couple of years under Rafa he has mostly been
surrounded by shit.

It's not ideal to have your captain bollocking you but he's been like that since he got the captaincy.
 
Bollocking other players is OK if you're also organising them to improve their chances of doing well and encouraging them whey they do so. Other players around Stevie have often not been up to his individual standards (nor have many players in other clubs for that matter), but part of a skipper's job is to bring the best out of those around him and Stevie's always been a dismal failure at that side of the job. I never thought it was the right decision to take the captaincy away from Sami and give it to Stevie in the first place.
 
Bollocking other players is OK if you're also organising them to improve their chances of doing well and encouraging them whey they do so. Other players around Stevie have often not been up to his individual standards (nor have many players in other clubs for that matter), but part of a skipper's job is to bring the best out of those around him and Stevie's always been a dismal failure at that side of the job. I never thought it was the right decision to take the captaincy away from Sami and give it to Stevie in the first place.

Do you think we'd have won more or less if he hadn't been the captain, JJ?
 
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