I think we should sack Roy. He hasn't won a game yet the useless old codger. And he can't persuade a player who has been trying come hell or high water to leave for 2 seasons to stay. The cunt.
Mascherano going then?
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143338#msg1143338 date=1280251239]
Who honestly thought Broughton was a Chelsea plant? Really? I stated myself that it would make his position untenable should Torres join Chelsea on his watch.
My issue all along has been this: I don't think Old Uncle Roy is anything other than mediocre, and I don't know (or trust) the people who decided to appoint him, or indeed why they appointed him.
It wasn't to win trophies
And while it was always likely that Masher would leave and Gerrard would stay, he doesn't seem capable of swinging an undecided player.
As for asset-stripping, well, I think one of the more accurate terms is 'expectation'
Benitez would have been demanding cash and control, Roy will get neither, and I don't think our spend will be positive this summer either.
If Torres stays great. But let's not pretend the situation is still anything but dire financially
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Brendan, obviously all of that is true, but given the shit financial situation, isn't it actually correct for Broughton, Purslow etc. to make decisions based in that operational reality? It doesn't make them evil or suspicious, it means they are working within the parameters they are given.
Their principal objective DOESN'T involve winning trophies, and nor should it this year. If we don't have any new investment, a trophy would be a fantastic bonus, but the real result would be coming fourth.
They were looking for stability, and someone that would accept a sad financial reality, and work best within that circumstance. The person who works best in that circumstance isn't necessarily the best manager in general, but they may achieve the most in a bad situation.
It doesn't mean Hodgson is a stupid yes man either. He knows he wouldn't be in this circumstance normally, but who cares, it's an opportunity for him. He may think, if I can do a good job this year, once the ownership takes place, I'll have a position, more authority, and the money to spend. People take compromised jobs due to gambling on future growth all the time. It can be a quite clever move, if results are achieved.
Who honestly thought Broughton was a Chelsea plant? Really? I stated myself that it would make his position untenable should Torres join Chelsea on his watch.
My issue all along has been this: I don't think Old Uncle Roy is anything other than mediocre, and I don't know (or trust) the people who decided to appoint him, or indeed why they appointed him.
It wasn't to win trophies
And while it was always likely that Masher would leave and Gerrard would stay, he doesn't seem capable of swinging an undecided player.
As for asset-stripping, well, I think one of the more accurate terms is 'expectation'
Benitez would have been demanding cash and control, Roy will get neither, and I don't think our spend will be positive this summer either.
If Torres stays great. But let's not pretend the situation is still anything but dire financially
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Brendan, obviously all of that is true, but given the shit financial situation, isn't it actually correct for Broughton, Purslow etc. to make decisions based in that operational reality? It doesn't make them evil or suspicious, it means they are working within the parameters they are given.
Their principal objective DOESN'T involve winning trophies, and nor should it this year. If we don't have any new investment, a trophy would be a fantastic bonus, but the real result would be coming fourth.
They were looking for stability, and someone that would accept a sad financial reality, and work best within that circumstance. The person who works best in that circumstance isn't necessarily the best manager in general, but they may achieve the most in a bad situation.
It doesn't mean Hodgson is a stupid yes man either. He knows he wouldn't be in this circumstance normally, but who cares, it's an opportunity for him. He may think, if I can do a good job this year, once the ownership takes place, I'll have a position, more authority, and the money to spend. People take compromised jobs due to gambling on future growth all the time. It can be a quite clever move, if results are achieved.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41151.msg1143342#msg1143342 date=1280251625]
I think we should sack Roy. He hasn't won a game yet the useless old codger. And he can't persuade a player who has been trying come hell or high water to leave for 2 seasons to stay. The cunt.
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You forgot to mention we are lying in tenth position.
I think we should sack Roy. He hasn't won a game yet the useless old codger. And he can't persuade a player who has been trying come hell or high water to leave for 2 seasons to stay. The cunt.
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You forgot to mention we are lying in tenth position.
don't think he'll be going anywhere. hopefully.
That's fine. I don't agree with it, though
I think the first acid test will be the team he names on the opening day. Then I suppose it's the position we're in by Xmas
Above all, and I think this is something we all agree on, we need Broughton and Pursssslow to do the jobs we want them to do above everything else: get new owners who will cherish the club and provide drive and investment
I just fear the worst for next season, given the state of our squad
I think the first acid test will be the team he names on the opening day. Then I suppose it's the position we're in by Xmas
Above all, and I think this is something we all agree on, we need Broughton and Pursssslow to do the jobs we want them to do above everything else: get new owners who will cherish the club and provide drive and investment
I just fear the worst for next season, given the state of our squad
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143347#msg1143347 date=1280252107]
That's fine. I don't agree with it, though
I think the first acid test will be the team he names on the opening day. Then I suppose it's the position we're in by Xmas
Above all, and I think this is something we all agree on, we need Broughton and Pursssslow to do the jobs we want them to do above everything else: get new owners who will cherish the club and provide drive and investment
I just fear the worst for next season, given the state of our squad
[/quote]Its gonna depend a lot on how we use (or if we are allowed to) the Mascherano money. I think that will be the acid test of Roy for the forseeable future.
Reina, Cavalieri
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Agger, Skrtel, Wilson, Carragher, Greek
Johnson, Kelly
Lucas---------,---------
Aquilani, Gerrard, Cole, Kuyt, Jovanovic
Torres--------
Theres still some glaring holes there for sure.
LB and DM for a kick off.
That's fine. I don't agree with it, though
I think the first acid test will be the team he names on the opening day. Then I suppose it's the position we're in by Xmas
Above all, and I think this is something we all agree on, we need Broughton and Pursssslow to do the jobs we want them to do above everything else: get new owners who will cherish the club and provide drive and investment
I just fear the worst for next season, given the state of our squad
[/quote]Its gonna depend a lot on how we use (or if we are allowed to) the Mascherano money. I think that will be the acid test of Roy for the forseeable future.
Reina, Cavalieri
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Agger, Skrtel, Wilson, Carragher, Greek
Johnson, Kelly
Lucas---------,---------
Aquilani, Gerrard, Cole, Kuyt, Jovanovic
Torres--------
Theres still some glaring holes there for sure.
LB and DM for a kick off.
It ridiculous how some posters are deriding Roy before any meaningful games have been played. Talking about his average CV and lack of silverware!
He has played the ignorance card often and keeps deferring questions to Purslow. He is simply getting on with the job. As for transfer targets, he definately has input into new arrivals. Believing anything else borders on stupidity.
He has played the ignorance card often and keeps deferring questions to Purslow. He is simply getting on with the job. As for transfer targets, he definately has input into new arrivals. Believing anything else borders on stupidity.
I can imagine how that goes:
'No, no, no, no, free? OK, try. No, no, no, no, loan? OK, try. No, no, no, no. Thanks for the input'
'No, no, no, no, free? OK, try. No, no, no, no, loan? OK, try. No, no, no, no. Thanks for the input'
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143347#msg1143347 date=1280252107]
That's fine. I don't agree with it, though
I think the first acid test will be the team he names on the opening day. Then I suppose it's the position we're in by Xmas
Above all, and I think this is something we all agree on, we need Broughton and Pursssslow to do the jobs we want them to do above everything else: get new owners who will cherish the club and provide drive and investment
I just fear the worst for next season, given the state of our squad
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Bren, you seem to be putting alot of emphasis on his 'first team sheet' which you propose won't be up to scratch. I'd wager (as long as Torres stays) that'll be better than most of the team selections last season, or at least it'll make sense.
I think you're convinced Lucas will start the first game.
That's fine. I don't agree with it, though
I think the first acid test will be the team he names on the opening day. Then I suppose it's the position we're in by Xmas
Above all, and I think this is something we all agree on, we need Broughton and Pursssslow to do the jobs we want them to do above everything else: get new owners who will cherish the club and provide drive and investment
I just fear the worst for next season, given the state of our squad
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Bren, you seem to be putting alot of emphasis on his 'first team sheet' which you propose won't be up to scratch. I'd wager (as long as Torres stays) that'll be better than most of the team selections last season, or at least it'll make sense.
I think you're convinced Lucas will start the first game.
He will.
God, is that the crux of it? Is that what it all comes down to?
Will Lucas start our first Premiership game?!
Oh dear God. He will won't he? He *will*
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
Will Lucas start our first Premiership game?!
Oh dear God. He will won't he? He *will*
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41151.msg1143373#msg1143373 date=1280254060]
He will.
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Why will he?
Cole has been earmarked as the man likely to play the 'hole' position this season, Gerrard would therefore (arguably) move back into midfield, alongside whoever we buy as a replacement for Mascherano, hopefully someone like Parker.
Throw Aquilani (if fit) into the mix and it looks unlikely that he'll start. He's been pretty much the only senior player available for the games so far, and everyone is getting hoofuckinghar about it. Get a grip eh?!
*PS, if we go 442 his chances are arguably even more limited.
He will.
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Why will he?
Cole has been earmarked as the man likely to play the 'hole' position this season, Gerrard would therefore (arguably) move back into midfield, alongside whoever we buy as a replacement for Mascherano, hopefully someone like Parker.
Throw Aquilani (if fit) into the mix and it looks unlikely that he'll start. He's been pretty much the only senior player available for the games so far, and everyone is getting hoofuckinghar about it. Get a grip eh?!
*PS, if we go 442 his chances are arguably even more limited.
I think he'll start with Lucas.
..................................Reina
Johnson..............Agger............Carragher...........Somebody over 28 we've heard of
Kuyt.....................Gerrard.........Lucas.............Jovanovic
....................................Cole
.....................................Torres
..................................Reina
Johnson..............Agger............Carragher...........Somebody over 28 we've heard of
Kuyt.....................Gerrard.........Lucas.............Jovanovic
....................................Cole
.....................................Torres
goodbye masher
good riddance you classless cunt, you could have at least called Uncle Roy back and shown some respect
Overrated I have always said it
Nobody with that little impact from midfield on the creative side of the game should be worth more than £10-15 million tops
£10 million will do for a player just as good as him at "breaking up the play", it is a massively overrated position, Darren Fletcher FFS
£25 million is good business, thank you now fuck off
good riddance you classless cunt, you could have at least called Uncle Roy back and shown some respect
Overrated I have always said it
Nobody with that little impact from midfield on the creative side of the game should be worth more than £10-15 million tops
£10 million will do for a player just as good as him at "breaking up the play", it is a massively overrated position, Darren Fletcher FFS
£25 million is good business, thank you now fuck off
Clueless as usual.
What's the opposite of the cavalry?
Gene makes me sad
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Gene makes me sad
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For some reason I'm almost sure Lucas will be beloved by Roy. I can't explain it, it's like when you know two people who you know would be great pals or even lovers if they knew each other. It's kismet or something.
Gene makes me sad
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For some reason I'm almost sure Lucas will be beloved by Roy. I can't explain it, it's like when you know two people who you know would be great pals or even lovers if they knew each other. It's kismet or something.
Ah, you rarely disappoint Foxwit
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143405#msg1143405 date=1280255665]
Ah, you rarely disappoint Foxwit
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I thank you.
If any other team is willing to give us £25-30 million for a midfielder who scores 1 goal every 2 yrs, cannot control his mouth when on a yellow card and last season his supposed "protects the back four" had us concede shit loads of goals then THANK YOU RAFA, he is yours.
We will not miss him, FACT
I hope we go for a player who is not a so called "big name" or superstar foreigner for the same sort of cash. In the past we have had great success with cheap CM so called defensive players, why should we now spend over £10 million on a position which is not as important as the other 5 non defending players around him, spend the money on goals
I am pleased he is going
Ah, you rarely disappoint Foxwit
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I thank you.
If any other team is willing to give us £25-30 million for a midfielder who scores 1 goal every 2 yrs, cannot control his mouth when on a yellow card and last season his supposed "protects the back four" had us concede shit loads of goals then THANK YOU RAFA, he is yours.
We will not miss him, FACT
I hope we go for a player who is not a so called "big name" or superstar foreigner for the same sort of cash. In the past we have had great success with cheap CM so called defensive players, why should we now spend over £10 million on a position which is not as important as the other 5 non defending players around him, spend the money on goals
I am pleased he is going
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41151.msg1143404#msg1143404 date=1280255650]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143392#msg1143392 date=1280254881]
Gene makes me sad
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For some reason I'm almost sure Lucas will be beloved by Roy. I can't explain it, it's like when you know two people who you know would be great pals or even lovers if they knew each other. It's kismet or something.
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Lucas's heart wouldnt be in it with Roy though! He's a whore.........its clear he's been banging all of his ex managers.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143392#msg1143392 date=1280254881]
Gene makes me sad
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For some reason I'm almost sure Lucas will be beloved by Roy. I can't explain it, it's like when you know two people who you know would be great pals or even lovers if they knew each other. It's kismet or something.
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Lucas's heart wouldnt be in it with Roy though! He's a whore.........its clear he's been banging all of his ex managers.
Am I the only one who loses all confidence in his opinion when Fox agrees with him?
[quote author=Fox link=topic=41151.msg1143389#msg1143389 date=1280254783]
goodbye masher
good riddance you classless cunt, you could have at least called Uncle Roy back and shown some respect
Overrated I have always said it
Nobody with that little impact from midfield on the creative side of the game should be worth more than £10-15 million tops
£10 million will do for a player just as good as him at "breaking up the play", it is a massively overrated position, Darren Fletcher FFS
£25 million is good business, thank you now fuck off
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Oh fucking dear.
goodbye masher
good riddance you classless cunt, you could have at least called Uncle Roy back and shown some respect
Overrated I have always said it
Nobody with that little impact from midfield on the creative side of the game should be worth more than £10-15 million tops
£10 million will do for a player just as good as him at "breaking up the play", it is a massively overrated position, Darren Fletcher FFS
£25 million is good business, thank you now fuck off
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Oh fucking dear.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41151.msg1143412#msg1143412 date=1280256198]
Am I the only one who loses all confidence in his opinion when Fox agrees with him?
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You agree with that garbage he posted about Masher?
Am I the only one who loses all confidence in his opinion when Fox agrees with him?
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You agree with that garbage he posted about Masher?
No I don't agree, I just like there to be more difference between what he and I are saying. I think Mascherano is a very good player but I think he is replaceable and I have a preference for central midfield players who are, at the very least, above average at attacking and passing.
I'd add that although Mascherano is supposed to make us more difficult to beat, we lost a lot last season - more than I can ever remember.
I'd add that although Mascherano is supposed to make us more difficult to beat, we lost a lot last season - more than I can ever remember.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41151.msg1143430#msg1143430 date=1280257256]
No I don't agree, I just like there to be more difference between what he and I are saying. I think Mascherano is a very good player but I think he is replaceable and I have a preference for central midfield players who are, at the very least, above average at attacking and passing.
I'd add that although Mascherano is supposed to make us more difficult to beat, we lost a lot last season - more than I can ever remember.
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Everyone is replaceable, but we havent replaced good players well in recent years.
We dont have a choice in this, since he's obviously wanted to go for a year.
Hope we buy well.
No I don't agree, I just like there to be more difference between what he and I are saying. I think Mascherano is a very good player but I think he is replaceable and I have a preference for central midfield players who are, at the very least, above average at attacking and passing.
I'd add that although Mascherano is supposed to make us more difficult to beat, we lost a lot last season - more than I can ever remember.
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Everyone is replaceable, but we havent replaced good players well in recent years.
We dont have a choice in this, since he's obviously wanted to go for a year.
Hope we buy well.
We'd have lost a sight more often yet if Masher hadn't been there plugging holes all over our midfield and defence. Whoever replaces him might well have more in his locker in terms of attacking play but almost certainly won't be his equal defensively, with the result that the whole side will have to track back more. We certainly will need to buy well. Very well.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41151.msg1143435#msg1143435 date=1280257775]
We'd have lost a sight more often yet if Masher hadn't been there plugging holes all over our midfield and defence. Whoever replaces him might well have more in his locker in terms of attacking play but almost certainly won't be his equal defensively, with the result that the whole side will have to track back more. We certainly will need to buy well. Very well.
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I think that's counterfactual and full of assumptions Jules. It may well be that the presence of an exclusively defensive midfielder in the centre gives some of the other players an ill-founded feeling of security. It may also be that it gave rafa the false sense of security that he could play Lucas and get away with it all year. It may also be that other teams realized last year how to play around Mascherano and Rafa was too slow to respond to that (or couldn't). it could be that a more attacking centre midfielder instead of Mascherano would have allowed us to hold the ball more, move it from back to front more assuredly and not need to win it back so often.
I don't blame Mascherano for the fact that we were so shit last year, far from it, but claiming that he prevented worse performances is just speculation.
We'd have lost a sight more often yet if Masher hadn't been there plugging holes all over our midfield and defence. Whoever replaces him might well have more in his locker in terms of attacking play but almost certainly won't be his equal defensively, with the result that the whole side will have to track back more. We certainly will need to buy well. Very well.
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I think that's counterfactual and full of assumptions Jules. It may well be that the presence of an exclusively defensive midfielder in the centre gives some of the other players an ill-founded feeling of security. It may also be that it gave rafa the false sense of security that he could play Lucas and get away with it all year. It may also be that other teams realized last year how to play around Mascherano and Rafa was too slow to respond to that (or couldn't). it could be that a more attacking centre midfielder instead of Mascherano would have allowed us to hold the ball more, move it from back to front more assuredly and not need to win it back so often.
I don't blame Mascherano for the fact that we were so shit last year, far from it, but claiming that he prevented worse performances is just speculation.
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