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Mascherano going then?

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143070#msg1143070 date=1280225981]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41151.msg1143067#msg1143067 date=1280225621]
Raises glass to Brendan on sunny balcony.

Is there anymore "insider" news on a takeover??
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I've heard nothing at all.

*shrugs*

I'm hopeful that it will happen quickly and quietly and be a huge nice surprise in time for the new season.

Hopeful, but resigned to the fact that "hope" is all it is.
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It's today. Stadium tours have been cancelled and there's a press conference at 2.30pm

*gets baby oil out*
 
6CM at 2.30pm:

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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41151.msg1143071#msg1143071 date=1280226138]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143037#msg1143037 date=1280222980]
I want a Hamann mkII. Where are you?

Busy shutting down all the garbage smashers on the detention level
[/quote]Tee hee.
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Is this a 'you have to be over 30 to get it joke'?
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It is an incredibly self-indulgent combination of in-joke, geek knowledge and lateral thinking.
 
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=41151.msg1143076#msg1143076 date=1280227196]
6CM at 2.30pm:

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Where's Anita?

Not the one with the white wig and army-dress eh?

That's seriously got to be Glock.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143080#msg1143080 date=1280227641]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41151.msg1143072#msg1143072 date=1280226229]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41151.msg1143071#msg1143071 date=1280226138]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143037#msg1143037 date=1280222980]
I want a Hamann mkII. Where are you?

Busy shutting down all the garbage smashers on the detention level
[/quote]Tee hee.
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Is this a 'you have to be over 30 to get it joke'?
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It is an incredibly self-indulgent combination of in-joke, geek knowledge and lateral thinking.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41151.msg1142987#msg1142987 date=1280220628]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41151.msg1142982#msg1142982 date=1280220306]
Sky Sports News had some stats up before that showed we had a better win % without Masch and lost less games when he didn't play.

Nicked this from another site, thats quite interesting.
[/quote]Oh dear. Is there anything you wouldn't try to spin positively?
Mascherano played in all our toughest games. When he didn't play we were playing against bottom half dross. It's hardly a suprising stat.
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Ha! I feel we've been down this track before my friend.


Losing Mascher isn't ideal, but he's the easiest to replace. Gerrard or Torres would, or could for that matter be a totally different story.
 
I would love to see Hamsik in our midfield. Poulsen is a thug, i'd nearly rather Muntari.

I'd bite their hand off if they offered Cambiasso in the deal.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=41151.msg1143092#msg1143092 date=1280228923]
I would love to see Hamsik in our midfield. Poulsen is a thug, i'd nearly rather Muntari.

I'd bite their hand off if they offered Cambiasso in the deal.
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He can be alright. And Cambiasso would probably be a better deal.

But the fact of the matter is that Roy has hearted him ever since he coached him back in FC Copenhagen and he even tried to sign him last Season as well.

This deal could very much be on should Masher leave.
 
rumors in Spain are that Madrid have agreed to buy Maicon for 28 million euros. That, plus 25 for Balotelli should mean they can give us 30-40 million ...
 
According to his agent there are two clubs that are interested. That could only be good news for us regarding fee.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41151.msg1143203#msg1143203 date=1280238101]
According to his agent there are two clubs that are interested. That could only be good news for us regarding fee.
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Barcelona and Inter?? I wouldnt be suprised to see Juve or AC Milan in there trying to block Inter.

i have a horrible feeling that we are going to get fucked over.. 17 million with 10 million based on daft outcomes.. Mascherano scoring 20+ goals in a season or something.
 
Getting a decent profit will certainly be a challenge for the club. We paid a good price for him to start with and now everyone knows he wants a move.
 
Whatever money we get, we need to use it to buy 2 top class mobile CMs as a replacement, one ideally in the Essien-mould, as I don't have any faith whatsover in Lucas or Aquilani (and we haven't really replaced Alonso yet).

I'd also hope we'd sell one of the pair (Lucas/Aquilani) and bring in a good CF with the monies.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41151.msg1143222#msg1143222 date=1280240688]
Getting a decent profit will certainly be a challenge for the club. We paid a good price for him to start with and now everyone knows he wants a move.
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I have little doubt we'll make a profit on him. Question is: how decent is "decent"? £25 mill.would be less than half as much again, which is the kind of benchmark I'd be looking for regarding the captain of Argentina and the world's best in his (admittedly specialised) position.
 
Yea. 25-27 million would have me satisfied, more than that would be good business (if you accept we can't hold on to him).
 
In the case of Mascherano, the statistics would appear to back those Liverpool fans happy to make a profit on the Argentine hatchet man. Over the last three years, Liverpool have won 54% of the Premier League games in which he has featured. Without him, their success rate rises to 65%. Predictably, Liverpool have scored significantly more goals per game (2.25 v 1.88) without a player who has netted just one league goal in Liverpool colours.

That Mascherano is not a match-winner is no surprise, but the real shock lies in the statistic that although Liverpool concede fewer goals with him screening the defence, they have lost 19% of the Premier League games in which he has played, as opposed to 4% without him. That suggests a significant number of 1-0 defeats in which Mascherano offered little or nothing going forward.

His supporters might point to the statistic that Mascherano completed more tackles in the Premier League than any other player last season, but the very fact that the second player on that list is the utterly-unheralded Wigan midfielder Mohamed Diame negates that claim. As does the fact that Mascherano had the worst disciplinary record of any player in the top flight. He certainly makes tackles, but he mistimes enough for it to be a problem.

This is not to say that revisionist Liverpool fans are right and Mascherano is overrated. Anyone with half a brain can watch Mascherano against European giants in the Champions League and see where his real value lies. But with Liverpool not in the Champions League, and Inter apparently willing to offer £25m for a player whose impact in the Premier League is statistically negative, it makes perfect sense to cash in now on a footballer clearly not happy on Merseyside.

That kind of money is massive for a spoiler whose real value is only apparent against the kind of quality opposition Liverpool will face fewer times next season. He can be adequately replaced for less than half the price. He may be sorely missed against Manchester United and Chelsea, but he will certainly not be missed against Wigan or Wolves. In those games, Scott Parker or an equivalently-talented and priced alternative would be at least as effective.

Mascherano's absence will be felt by those neutrals who appreciate a tough tackler as much as a tricky winger and I would still happily argue that he is one of the world's best exponents of that role. But with big money on the table that could buy three or four players, it's a no-brainer to let the match-spoiler go if the alternative is selling match-winners or match-savers like Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard or Pepe Reina.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=41151.msg1143263#msg1143263 date=1280244033]
the real shock lies in the statistic that although Liverpool concede fewer goals with him screening the defence, they have lost 19% of the Premier League games in which he has played, as opposed to 4% without him. [/quote]

Fuckinell.
 
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[quote author=Binny link=topic=41151.msg1143263#msg1143263 date=1280244033]
the real shock lies in the statistic that although Liverpool concede fewer goals with him screening the defence, they have lost 19% of the Premier League games in which he has played, as opposed to 4% without him. [/quote]

Fuckinell.

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Only the most credulous of interspaz cabbages could be in any way impressed or interested by statistics like that.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41151.msg1143267#msg1143267 date=1280244370]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41151.msg1143265#msg1143265 date=1280244164]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=41151.msg1143263#msg1143263 date=1280244033]
the real shock lies in the statistic that although Liverpool concede fewer goals with him screening the defence, they have lost 19% of the Premier League games in which he has played, as opposed to 4% without him. [/quote]

Fuckinell.

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Only the most credulous of interspaz cabbages could be in any way impressed or interested by statistics like that.

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I am, and I'm rubbing my spaz drool into my helmet while I project that without Masch we're only going to lose 2 games next season. It was all his fucking fault, the goofy corned beef eating twat.
 
Talking of credulous interspazz cabbages, I have a horrible feeling that we're about to see a comment from the undisputed King
 
Just read Roy comments on Sky laying down the law. Mascherano is contracted to us and him wanting to leave doesn't necessarily mean that he will.

It will be Liverpool's decision!

Go uncle Roy, get that money!
 
Who honestly thought Broughton was a Chelsea plant? Really? I stated myself that it would make his position untenable should Torres join Chelsea on his watch.

My issue all along has been this: I don't think Old Uncle Roy is anything other than mediocre, and I don't know (or trust) the people who decided to appoint him, or indeed why they appointed him.

It wasn't to win trophies

And while it was always likely that Masher would leave and Gerrard would stay, he doesn't seem capable of swinging an undecided player.

As for asset-stripping, well, I think one of the more accurate terms is 'expectation'

Benitez would have been demanding cash and control, Roy will get neither, and I don't think our spend will be positive this summer either.

If Torres stays great. But let's not pretend the situation is still anything but dire financially
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41151.msg1143329#msg1143329 date=1280249011]
Dithering old duffer.
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A rival for Brendan's use of OUR.
 
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