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Mascherano going then?

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Fox, there is nothing to be so bent out of shape here. The manager said he didn't want a call back, he was just calling out of courtesy. Where's the fire there?

Also, can you question his applcation and dedication on the pitch? No, not for a second. Isn't that what counts?
 
It will be nice to not feel like we are going to get a sending off for backchat every game.
 
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I would love too see mashers stats of goals & assists per game compared to similar players in other top clubs. He is a good solid midfielder not a £25 million asset.

How are you lot avoiding the shit attitude where he would not even acknowledge his new bosses phone calls


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mash is an out and out holding midfielder, why on earth would you expect a return of goals and assists?
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Where did this out and out defensive thing come from. Throughout history and with other teams all midfielders contribute with some goals and assists. He does not hence why he is not worth the price tag, it is a good deal for us
 
This might have been posted elsewhere, it's part of a larger piece in the guardian about Torres staying. I like the way Roy is making clear the Masher situation to both player and press...

The tone of the Liverpool manager's conversations with Javier Mascherano appears to have been somewhat frostier, however. Hodgson – who also introduced his three new signings, Joe Cole, Milan Jovanovic and Danny Wilson, ahead of this morning's departure for Macedonia and the Europa League qualifier against FW Rabotnicki – has reminded the Argentina midfielder that he will leave Anfield on Liverpool's terms alone.

Moreover, he hinted Mascherano, who has two years remaining on his contract, may yet be thwarted in his desire for a swift escape, ideally for him involving a reunion with Rafael Benítez at Internazionale.

"He wants to leave, he's made that particularly clear," Hodgson said. "He wanted to leave a year ago and he wants to leave now. But Javier Mascherano is contracted here and I will continue to treat him as a Liverpool player until this club decides that should change.

"Just because Mascherano is a bit unhappy does not necessarily mean he will leave. I expect him to honour his contract until the day this club accepts an offer for him. I'm a bit disappointed but whether he leaves or not is our decision. The mere fact that a player is a bit unhappy does not mean he can just go."
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=41151.msg1143608#msg1143608 date=1280265519]

I would love too see mashers stats of goals & assists per game compared to similar players in other top clubs. He is a good solid midfielder not a £25 million asset.

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Who would you consider a "similar" player at another top club?

Didi averaged less than 2 goals a season at Liverpool.
Makelele scored twice in his entire Chelsea career, and one of those was a pen they made him take on the last day of the season.
 
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[quote author=Fox link=topic=41151.msg1143608#msg1143608 date=1280265519]
I would love too see mashers stats of goals & assists per game compared to similar players in other top clubs. He is a good solid midfielder not a £25 million asset.

How are you lot avoiding the shit attitude where he would not even acknowledge his new bosses phone calls


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mash is an out and out holding midfielder, why on earth would you expect a return of goals and assists?
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Where did this out and out defensive thing come from. Throughout history and with other teams all midfielders contribute with some goals and assists. He does not hence why he is not worth the price tag, it is a good deal for us
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Please elaborate.

I'm looking forward to seeing your list of goalscoring holding midfielders.
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=41151.msg1143608#msg1143608 date=1280265519]
I would love too see mashers stats of goals & assists per game compared to similar players in other top clubs. He is a good solid midfielder not a £25 million asset.

How are you lot avoiding the shit attitude where he would not even acknowledge his new bosses phone calls


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That doesn't affect his resale value, Fox.
 
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[quote author=Fox link=topic=41151.msg1143608#msg1143608 date=1280265519]
I would love too see mashers stats of goals & assists per game compared to similar players in other top clubs. He is a good solid midfielder not a £25 million asset.

How are you lot avoiding the shit attitude where he would not even acknowledge his new bosses phone calls


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mash is an out and out holding midfielder, why on earth would you expect a return of goals and assists?
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Where did this out and out defensive thing come from. Throughout history and with other teams all midfielders contribute with some goals and assists. He does not hence why he is not worth the price tag, it is a good deal for us
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We came 2nd two seasons ago being the league's top scorers with Masher and Xabi scoring about 5 goals between them. Masher IS an out and out defensive midfielder. The player beside him is the one responsible for springboarding attacks. Alonso could do it in his sleep, Lucas struggled.

How many goals did Obi Mikel score last season? Makelele in his prime? Song at Arsenal? Parker at Westham? Palacios at Spurs?

You're Masher bashing is pathetic fox. He is a cracking player and captain of Argetina. Club are willing to pay in excess of 25 million for his services. Drop it.
 
Last season Busquets managed a grand total of one goal and two assists despite playing well over 30 games for the most attacking club side on the planet. And this a player that many agree is more cultured on the ball than Masher.

More comparisons?
 
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There is no way Parker would cost 15 mill.
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West Ham United have confirmed they have rejected an offer for Scott Parker from their Premier League counterparts Tottenham Hotspur.

The 29-year-old has been the subject of intense media speculation over the last few weeks amid reports Liverpool and Aston Villa are both eager to sign the Upton Park talisman, however a statement on West Ham’s official website has confirmed that Tottenham Hotspur have opened the bidding and that they have subsequently rejected the bid.

The statement reads: “West Ham United can confirm the club has rejected an offer from Tottenham Hotspur for Scott Parker.â€

“The club would like to state that regardless of the sixe of the bid, nothing will break the promise that Chairman David Sullivan made to our supporters.

“As repeatedly stated, Scott Parker is not for sale and there are no circumstances and no amount of money that will cause us to break that pledge to the fans.â€

Reports yesterday suggested new Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson had earmarked the England international as a potential replacement for Javier Mascherano, who has informed his employers of his desire to leave Anfield. Likewise Aston Villa have been perpetually linked with the West Ham star, with uncertainty clouding James Milner’s future, but it appears West Ham have no intention of selling a player who was instrumental in keeping the club in the Premier League last season.

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Good call. We should offer Villa 15M and then use the rest of the Masher money to sign a LB. Maybe Evra... he's pretty good.
 
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Good call. We should offer Villa 15M and then use the rest of the Masher money to sign a LB. Maybe Evra... he's pretty good.
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We need to strengthen the wings, so I'd use the change to put a cheeky bid in for Messi.
 
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Good call. We should offer Villa 15M and then use the rest of the Masher money to sign a LB. Maybe Evra... he's pretty good.
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We need to strengthen the wings, so I'd use the change to put a cheeky bid in for Messi.
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Ohhh.... *slaps forehead*...NICE... I should have thought of that.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41151.msg1144074#msg1144074 date=1280328680]
Good call. We should offer Villa 15M and then use the rest of the Masher money to sign a LB. Maybe Evra... he's pretty good.
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We need to strengthen the wings, so I'd use the change to put a cheeky bid in for Messi.
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We need a back up striker too, Peles not playing for anyone at the moment 8)
 
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More comparisons?
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Fox <= Forrest Gump
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41151.msg1144074#msg1144074 date=1280328680]
Good call. We should offer Villa 15M and then use the rest of the Masher money to sign a LB. Maybe Evra... he's pretty good.
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We need to strengthen the wings, so I'd use the change to put a cheeky bid in for Messi.
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Ohhh.... *slaps forehead*...NICE... I should have thought of that.
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Then we should use the Insua fee to bring Lahm in.
 
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They would want 25 million for Milner and he's not worth half that IMO.
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Yeah for 25mil i would not buy him but for 15, he would be great 🙂 He wants to come to us and if he put in a transfer request then maybe we could get him for around 15.
Otherwise i would love to have Flamini as our DM
 
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They would want 25 million for Milner and he's not worth half that IMO.
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Yeah for 25mil i would not buy him but for 15, he would be great 🙂 He wants to come to us and if he put in a transfer request then maybe we could get him for around 15.
Otherwise i would love to have Flamini as our DM
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He's not worth 15 million, as the posts above would have indicated.
 
Sorry I posted this in the other thread by mistake..

Will Masch Be Missed? Not So Much...
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It is as predictable as it is amusing. As soon as it looks almost certain that Javier Mascherano will leave Liverpool, Reds fans - like dumped 14-year-old girls - are racing to say that they never really liked him anyway. Apparently he's a liability, cannot pass, contributes nothing and Lucas Leiva can do exactly the same job for less money. Of course, they never, ever thought he was the best defensive midfielder in the world. Oh no.


This syndrome is not particular to Liverpool fans. The same Manchester United fans who sang "Fergie, Fergie, sign him up" were decrying Carlos Tevez as a rich man's Dirk Kuyt as soon as he joined Manchester City. Those Gunners who were heralding Emmanuel Adebayor as the equal of Didier Drogba were apparently happy to see his lazy arse head north towards Manchester.


But in the case of Mascherano, the statistics would appear to back those Liverpool fans happy to make a profit on the Argentine hatchet man. Over the last three years, Liverpool have won 54% of the Premier League games in which he has featured. Without him, their success rate rises to 65%. Predictably, Liverpool have scored significantly more goals per game (2.25 v 1.88) without a player who has netted just one league goal in Liverpool colours.


That Mascherano is not a match-winner is no surprise, but the real shock lies in the statistic that although Liverpool concede fewer goals with him screening the defence, they have lost 19% of the Premier League games in which he has played, as opposed to 4% without him. That suggests a significant number of 1-0 defeats in which Mascherano offered little or nothing going forward.


His supporters might point to the statistic that Mascherano completed more tackles in the Premier League than any other player last season, but the very fact that the second player on that list is the utterly-unheralded Wigan midfielder Mohamed Diame negates that claim. As does the fact that Mascherano had the worst disciplinary record of any player in the top flight. He certainly makes tackles, but he mistimes enough for it to be a problem.


This is not to say that revisionist Liverpool fans are right and Mascherano is overrated. Anyone with half a brain can watch Mascherano against European giants in the Champions League and see where his real value lies. But with Liverpool not in the Champions League, and Inter apparently willing to offer £25m for a player whose impact in the Premier League is statistically negative, it makes perfect sense to cash in now on a footballer clearly not happy on Merseyside.


That kind of money is massive for a spoiler whose real value is only apparent against the kind of quality opposition Liverpool will face fewer times next season. He can be adequately replaced for less than half the price. He may be sorely missed against Manchester United and Chelsea, but he will certainly not be missed against Wigan or Wolves. In those games, Scott Parker or an equivalently-talented and priced alternative would be at least as effective.


Mascherano's absence will be felt by those neutrals who appreciate a tough tackler as much as a tricky winger and I would still happily argue that he is one of the world's best exponents of that role. But with big money on the table that could buy three or four players, it's a no-brainer to let the match-spoiler go if the alternative is selling match-winners or match-savers like Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard or Pepe Reina.


Sarah Winterburn
 
Good post but it leaves out the games against the Prem's top teams in which Masher was equally vital.

Let's not reopen the argument about his contribution in games against lesser opposition too. 😉
 
I would prefer to keep him but if we can get top money and actually spend it then its a necessary, if mildly depressing deal
 
So Inter want to only pays us £12.5 million + Sulley Muntari.

I hope we tell them to fuck off!
 
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Over the last three years, Liverpool have won 54% of the Premier League games in which he has featured. Without him, their success rate rises to 65%.

yikes!
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Because he always plays against Manu, Chelsea, Arse, and tough away fixtures. I'd like to see a list of the fixtures he missed.
 
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