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I feel this season has to be his make or break season..

Im starting to waver back into the Lucas is a cunt camp... I just dont get what his game is actually about...

Is he just an average joe...? or are we going to see the return of the 'Wonderman' this season.. ?
 
This is make or break season, I agree. My opinion of Lucas changes by the game, but in general I'd really like Lucas to do well, seems a genuinely likable guy.
 
Half the time, the other half he's great.

I think great is an exaggeration. I think he's matured into a good reader of the game, when he presses up and passes first time to keep the momentum going, he's good, when he plods around like he's on Bedford Park, he's frustratingly average and offers nothing decisive.
 
I'd like to use the reverse Pacheco/Aquilani argument here.

Lucas has been played regularly by four managers. They can't all be wrong.
 
I love watching Lucas play because it gives me an idea of what a twat I would look like if I was just dropped into a Premiership game. With a Deirdre Barlow bouffant wig on.
LTD (living the dream).
 
I've never seen him offer what you expect from a midfielder.

He was bought as a box to box goalscoring Gerrard and whether its Rafa's or his own fault he's never developed into the player we need.

Sell him.

How many games has he had for us? 200?
 
There is no one still at Anfield who remembers what the fuck he was bought for. He was probably a steward and just sneaked into training one day while there was a takeover going on and a manager getting fired.
 
His problem is he is half a good midfielder. Which is worse than being an average midfielder like Fletcher. He does some things well, but never ever ventures to do the other things a midfielder must do. The list of things he doesn't do are quite long and it is unreasonable to expect that he will suddenly start doing that.
 
There is no one still at Analfield who remembers what the fuck he was bought for. He was probably a steward and just sneaked into training one day while there was a takeover going on and a manager getting fired.



Surely too egregious to be a typo?
 
He's a good footballer, who took time last season to recover from ripping his knee into shreds. Not the first, and won't be the last.

He'll play very well this season.
 
Like Molby, Lucas recovered and went on to become a Kop favourite, but having arrived from Gremio in 2007 as an attacking midfielder, the 26-year-old had to sacrifice his offensive qualities to establish himself in the team.

He told Molby: "I had to change the way I played, used to play. I just thought I had no option.
"The way the Premier League is with the pace of the game and everything, I was not able to do that [be a box to box midfielder].
"I couldn't do it so I just felt, 'Listen, you have to understand that the league is different. If you want to be successful you have to change.'
"A holding position was a position that I felt more comfortable in.
"Rafa just played me there for a few games and then I started to adapt and play some good games.
"I got better as well, I went to the gym, went on the weights."
 
TBF, he was a more attacking player before he signed for us. He's said so himself a few times.


I never said he was or wasn't. I just want Dreamy to explain his "he was bought as a goalscoring Gerrard" line, cos I've no idea where that came from.

Maybe it was the case, but it's news to me.
 
I think it's because of Tim Vickery's (infamous) description of him...
Who is Lucas Leiva? What is his true position? And based on a previous article about South American youngsters leaving too early, eg. Gabriel Paletta, is Lucas ready to come to the Premiership just yet?
Mark Williams, Leamington Spa (and many others)

These moves are always a gamble, but I think this is a good one.

He's an exciting player of a type that Brazilian football hasn't produced too many of recently. Of late their central midfielders have tended to be 'holders' who sit and allow the full-backs to push forward.
Lucas is different. He's a big, blonde figure whose power and physical strength comes with attacking ability.

He can pass well and loves to rumble forward. He gets on the scoresheet both with blistering shots from range and from bursting beyond the strikers.

You can certainly imagine him playing alongside Javier Mascherano, for example.

I don't have the same fears for him as I did with Paletta. He's had two full seasons behind him - one helping Gremio win promotion from the second division, and then last year's success when he was chosen as the player of the championship.
In a perfect world you might want him to stay another year before moving on, but (a) Gremio need to sell to balance the books and (b) with Liverpool's strength in depth in central midfield it looks as if his first campaign will be a bedding in season.
Of course, I don't think for a second that our scouts agreed with Vickery's assessment of him, unless they were smoking the same shit that Vickery was when he wrote that.
 
What are you basing that on?
When he was first linked and then bought, I watched a docu on him where it showed him scoring some great goals and he was described as a box to box dynamic midfielder. At the time I was very excited about him coming. Needless to say he's disappointed that front.

I'll see if I can find the video. It was ages ago now.
 
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