Lucas Leiva - Wonderman.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431251#msg1431251 date=1322084461]
Sorted. This is him playing guitar on Sultans of swing.
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Playing it? He wrote it!
Sorted. This is him playing guitar on Sultans of swing.
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Playing it? He wrote it!
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1430880#msg1430880 date=1322034376]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
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Why does he? He's a DM. Did Mascherano, who many laud on here ?
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All the great successful DM's have in the past. Veira Keane hell even Hamann was good for the odd goal here and there.
Lucas just doesn't score and never seems to get any assists.
He's came with a rep as a goalscoring box to box CM and I just have never seen it.
He's definately improving but is he worthy of a spot in our team who is struggling to score goals against weaker sides?
I would say no. I'd drop him at home and play someone with more of an eye for goal.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
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Why does he? He's a DM. Did Mascherano, who many laud on here ?
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All the great successful DM's have in the past. Veira Keane hell even Hamann was good for the odd goal here and there.
Lucas just doesn't score and never seems to get any assists.
He's came with a rep as a goalscoring box to box CM and I just have never seen it.
He's definately improving but is he worthy of a spot in our team who is struggling to score goals against weaker sides?
I would say no. I'd drop him at home and play someone with more of an eye for goal.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47619.msg1430931#msg1430931 date=1322046014]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47619.msg1430904#msg1430904 date=1322040849]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
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This.
I dont buy into this great player etc etc stuff yet tbh but it is only fair that after the amount of shit Lucas has been through for him to become a consistently good performer in our midfield is a great credit to him and he does deserve a bit of love from us fans for that...
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Tell me how many goals and assists did Mascherano get?
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How about we look at playes that did for years at their clubs in similar roles.
Like Veira or Keane?
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47619.msg1430904#msg1430904 date=1322040849]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
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This.
I dont buy into this great player etc etc stuff yet tbh but it is only fair that after the amount of shit Lucas has been through for him to become a consistently good performer in our midfield is a great credit to him and he does deserve a bit of love from us fans for that...
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Tell me how many goals and assists did Mascherano get?
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How about we look at playes that did for years at their clubs in similar roles.
Like Veira or Keane?
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1431296#msg1431296 date=1322087609]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1430880#msg1430880 date=1322034376]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
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Why does he? He's a DM. Did Mascherano, who many laud on here ?
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All the great successful DM's have in the past. Veira Keane hell even Hamann was good for the odd goal here and there.
Lucas just doesn't score and never seems to get any assists.
He's came with a rep as a goalscoring box to box CM and I just have never seen it.
He's definately improving but is he worthy of a spot in our team who is struggling to score goals against weaker sides?
I would say no. I'd drop him at home and play someone with more of an eye for goal.
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You sure?
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1430880#msg1430880 date=1322034376]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
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Why does he? He's a DM. Did Mascherano, who many laud on here ?
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All the great successful DM's have in the past. Veira Keane hell even Hamann was good for the odd goal here and there.
Lucas just doesn't score and never seems to get any assists.
He's came with a rep as a goalscoring box to box CM and I just have never seen it.
He's definately improving but is he worthy of a spot in our team who is struggling to score goals against weaker sides?
I would say no. I'd drop him at home and play someone with more of an eye for goal.
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You sure?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1430954#msg1430954 date=1322048829]
I cant wait til Lucas is captain, it'll just confirm what is already becoming apparent. We are a bit of a joke
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*thumbs up*
I cant wait til Lucas is captain, it'll just confirm what is already becoming apparent. We are a bit of a joke
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*thumbs up*
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1430987#msg1430987 date=1322053539]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=47619.msg1430725#msg1430725 date=1321985249]
The only club that wanted to buy him was Palermo. Sums it all up.
Thats his level.
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hello cunt. you couldn't stop being a cunt for a minute or 2 could you, cunt? ta cunt.
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Your a great guy aren't you?
How in the world has this poster not been banned for this comment? Unprovoked and totally personal.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=47619.msg1430725#msg1430725 date=1321985249]
The only club that wanted to buy him was Palermo. Sums it all up.
Thats his level.
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hello cunt. you couldn't stop being a cunt for a minute or 2 could you, cunt? ta cunt.
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Your a great guy aren't you?
How in the world has this poster not been banned for this comment? Unprovoked and totally personal.
It's Le Chacal!!
This is heading for the vault, so I want to get my two penneth in.
Lucas is fucking crap.
Thank You.
xxx
Lucas is fucking crap.
Thank You.
xxx
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1431296#msg1431296 date=1322087609]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1430880#msg1430880 date=1322034376]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
[/quote]
Why does he? He's a DM. Did Mascherano, who many laud on here ?
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All the great successful DM's have in the past. Veira Keane hell even Hamann was good for the odd goal here and there.
Lucas just doesn't score and never seems to get any assists.
He's came with a rep as a goalscoring box to box CM and I just have never seen it.
He's definately improving but is he worthy of a spot in our team who is struggling to score goals against weaker sides?
I would say no. I'd drop him at home and play someone with more of an eye for goal.
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You sure?
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Indeed however I would say that Lucas is a very different type of player than Makelele and wouldn't lace his boots. And in any case I would say he is the exception not the rule. When Gerrard is fit I'd be dropping Lucas before Adam.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1431296#msg1431296 date=1322087609]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1430880#msg1430880 date=1322034376]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47619.msg1430866#msg1430866 date=1322022380]
He still needs to offer more assists and goals going forward to warrant a place in the side week in week out.
[/quote]
Why does he? He's a DM. Did Mascherano, who many laud on here ?
[/quote]
All the great successful DM's have in the past. Veira Keane hell even Hamann was good for the odd goal here and there.
Lucas just doesn't score and never seems to get any assists.
He's came with a rep as a goalscoring box to box CM and I just have never seen it.
He's definately improving but is he worthy of a spot in our team who is struggling to score goals against weaker sides?
I would say no. I'd drop him at home and play someone with more of an eye for goal.
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You sure?
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Indeed however I would say that Lucas is a very different type of player than Makelele and wouldn't lace his boots. And in any case I would say he is the exception not the rule. When Gerrard is fit I'd be dropping Lucas before Adam.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431305#msg1431305 date=1322089035]
It's Le Chacal!!
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And I'm sure a large percentage of posters would use the same defence to say similar to me.
The point is it isn't needed and shouldn't be tolerated.
It's Le Chacal!!
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And I'm sure a large percentage of posters would use the same defence to say similar to me.
The point is it isn't needed and shouldn't be tolerated.
It's a good point.
I also don't get why Oncy (as much as I like him) is allowed to call people cunts etc continually because it's (once it gets challenged) in jest.
I also don't get why Oncy (as much as I like him) is allowed to call people cunts etc continually because it's (once it gets challenged) in jest.
It's LE CHACAL!!!!!!
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47619.msg1431327#msg1431327 date=1322095817]
It's a good point.
I also don't get why Oncy (as much as I like him) is allowed to call people cunts etc continually because it's (once it gets challenged) in jest.
[/quote]First off Im not allowed to. Second I didnt call anyone a cunt. Thirdly its just in jest.
Hope thats cleared all that up.
It's a good point.
I also don't get why Oncy (as much as I like him) is allowed to call people cunts etc continually because it's (once it gets challenged) in jest.
[/quote]First off Im not allowed to. Second I didnt call anyone a cunt. Thirdly its just in jest.
Hope thats cleared all that up.
[quote author=the count link=topic=47619.msg1431312#msg1431312 date=1322091350]
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
[/quote]I believe LTW pulled Peter on it and asked him to pack in the insults. Nobody, NOBODY gets banned for a peronal insult said in the heat of the moment (or in jest) you can see that in any match thread, people are banned because when asked to pack it in they refuse to.
For the record I apologised in thread for name calling AND I pm'd Neil to tell him I was sorry and that I hoped he knew all my posts were just for giggles etc and that I was sorry if i offended or upset him.
Is that ok with everyone?
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
[/quote]I believe LTW pulled Peter on it and asked him to pack in the insults. Nobody, NOBODY gets banned for a peronal insult said in the heat of the moment (or in jest) you can see that in any match thread, people are banned because when asked to pack it in they refuse to.
For the record I apologised in thread for name calling AND I pm'd Neil to tell him I was sorry and that I hoped he knew all my posts were just for giggles etc and that I was sorry if i offended or upset him.
Is that ok with everyone?
[quote author=the count link=topic=47619.msg1431312#msg1431312 date=1322091350]
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
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Good point Count, honestly the constant use of bad language and this word in particular has become a turn off for me on SCM. Most people on here are more eloquent than that, but it's always on. I'm not a prude, it just lowers the level of discourse and leads to too many silly arguments.
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
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Good point Count, honestly the constant use of bad language and this word in particular has become a turn off for me on SCM. Most people on here are more eloquent than that, but it's always on. I'm not a prude, it just lowers the level of discourse and leads to too many silly arguments.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431333#msg1431333 date=1322098738]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47619.msg1431327#msg1431327 date=1322095817]
It's a good point.
I also don't get why Oncy (as much as I like him) is allowed to call people cunts etc continually because it's (once it gets challenged) in jest.
[/quote]First off Im not allowed to. Second I didnt call anyone a cunt. Thirdly its just in jest.
Hope thats cleared all that up.
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Ha ha.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47619.msg1431327#msg1431327 date=1322095817]
It's a good point.
I also don't get why Oncy (as much as I like him) is allowed to call people cunts etc continually because it's (once it gets challenged) in jest.
[/quote]First off Im not allowed to. Second I didnt call anyone a cunt. Thirdly its just in jest.
Hope thats cleared all that up.
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Ha ha.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431334#msg1431334 date=1322098978]
[quote author=the count link=topic=47619.msg1431312#msg1431312 date=1322091350]
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
[/quote]I believe LTW pulled Peter on it and asked him to pack in the insults. Nobody, NOBODY gets banned for a peronal insult said in the heat of the moment (or in jest) you can see that in any match thread, people are banned because when asked to pack it in they refuse to.
For the record I apologised in thread for name calling AND I pm'd Neil to tell him I was sorry and that I hoped he knew all my posts were just for giggles etc and that I was sorry if i offended or upset him.
Is that ok with everyone?
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I was referring to Peter's post not yours Andy.
I know you rarely mean anything evil you post.
[quote author=the count link=topic=47619.msg1431312#msg1431312 date=1322091350]
I think it is a fair question that DB ask's.
Is calling another poster a "cunt"acceptable now?
Not that I have any intention to use the term myself but I would assume that there are a number of posters who would if they can.
[/quote]I believe LTW pulled Peter on it and asked him to pack in the insults. Nobody, NOBODY gets banned for a peronal insult said in the heat of the moment (or in jest) you can see that in any match thread, people are banned because when asked to pack it in they refuse to.
For the record I apologised in thread for name calling AND I pm'd Neil to tell him I was sorry and that I hoped he knew all my posts were just for giggles etc and that I was sorry if i offended or upset him.
Is that ok with everyone?
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I was referring to Peter's post not yours Andy.
I know you rarely mean anything evil you post.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47619.msg1431310#msg1431310 date=1322090687]
This is heading for the vault, so I want to get my two penneth in.
Lucas is fucking crap.
Thank You.
xxx
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He's not crap but he's certainly not good enough. The problem is that there is such a dearth of decent DM's in the Premier League at present that some LFC fans are accepting him as good enough because they see Anderson @ United and Mikel @ Chelsea etc and Lucas is better than both of them.
Without doubt though United are looking for a decent replacement for Anderson already and Chelsea are looking for Mikel's replacement .................we need to be looking for something better than Lucas.
The days of Viera, Keane, Hamannn, Makelele seems like a lifetime ago, the only decent DM's (in the EPL) I can think of at present are Parker and Tiote (from the 5 or 6 games I've seen of him).
The best 2 young DM's in the Championship are probably Rhys Williams of Middlesbro and Jack Cork of Southampton and I'm sure both with be plying their trade in the EPL soon - however both would be relatively expensive for an untried talent so we would might find better value overseas.
This is heading for the vault, so I want to get my two penneth in.
Lucas is fucking crap.
Thank You.
xxx
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He's not crap but he's certainly not good enough. The problem is that there is such a dearth of decent DM's in the Premier League at present that some LFC fans are accepting him as good enough because they see Anderson @ United and Mikel @ Chelsea etc and Lucas is better than both of them.
Without doubt though United are looking for a decent replacement for Anderson already and Chelsea are looking for Mikel's replacement .................we need to be looking for something better than Lucas.
The days of Viera, Keane, Hamannn, Makelele seems like a lifetime ago, the only decent DM's (in the EPL) I can think of at present are Parker and Tiote (from the 5 or 6 games I've seen of him).
The best 2 young DM's in the Championship are probably Rhys Williams of Middlesbro and Jack Cork of Southampton and I'm sure both with be plying their trade in the EPL soon - however both would be relatively expensive for an untried talent so we would might find better value overseas.
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47619.msg1431378#msg1431378 date=1322123675]
Great post by Pesam.
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it is if you agree with it
I don't
crap post
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No, Kenny was right, it was a great post.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47619.msg1431378#msg1431378 date=1322123675]
Great post by Pesam.
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it is if you agree with it
I don't
crap post
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No, Kenny was right, it was a great post.
I think Lucas is a lot like Crouch in many ways.
People used to defend Crouch on the basis that he was "doing his job", unfortunately his job consisted of: taking the ball down in the opposition half and running backwards before laying it off to one of our centre backs .... oh and not scoring. He may well be doing his job but it's pretty fucking pointless.
People used to defend Crouch on the basis that he was "doing his job", unfortunately his job consisted of: taking the ball down in the opposition half and running backwards before laying it off to one of our centre backs .... oh and not scoring. He may well be doing his job but it's pretty fucking pointless.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47619.msg1431389#msg1431389 date=1322124910]
So are you with Oncy in thinking we don't need to be looking for a better DM than Lucas?
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comfortably in that camp. While he's doing his job and doing it well I'm happy.
So are you with Oncy in thinking we don't need to be looking for a better DM than Lucas?
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comfortably in that camp. While he's doing his job and doing it well I'm happy.
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