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Lucas Leiva - Wonderman.

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[quote author=grjt link=topic=47619.msg1431018#msg1431018 date=1322056367]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431017#msg1431017 date=1322056235]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1431010#msg1431010 date=1322055702]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431002#msg1431002 date=1322054951]
tbf to neil, dobbin's excellent late cameo on sunday proved conclusively his assertion that we need mandy carroll for away games. it's obv irrelevant that we were 2-1 up at the time: a close analysis of the stats reveals that we conceded fewer goals with him in the side.
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The idea of carroll at away games is a sound one. he is big and strong and should hold up the ball, win the ball high up the pitch so the likes of suarez capitalises on the second ball. That was my thinking the reality hasn't worked out. In thoery Torres should be banging in the goals but it hasn't worked out like that. I won't apologise for that because I still think that is a sound tactic but the person who implements it may not be Carroll.
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fair enough matey, but maybe you should look at it and realise all this chalkboard stuff's a bit tiresome unless you're a genuine expert, which you obviously aren't, much like much the rest of us. and then you wouldn't expose yourself to this kind of ridicule, get offended, flounce off, and have to hide for a few weeks while your embarrassment subsides.
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Says one of the most embarassingly myopic posters on the site - get off the soapbox lad, at least Neil encourages debate.
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fuck off please you pointless thicko.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431021#msg1431021 date=1322056565]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=47619.msg1431018#msg1431018 date=1322056367]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431017#msg1431017 date=1322056235]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1431010#msg1431010 date=1322055702]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431002#msg1431002 date=1322054951]
tbf to neil, dobbin's excellent late cameo on sunday proved conclusively his assertion that we need mandy carroll for away games. it's obv irrelevant that we were 2-1 up at the time: a close analysis of the stats reveals that we conceded fewer goals with him in the side.
[/quote]


The idea of carroll at away games is a sound one. he is big and strong and should hold up the ball, win the ball high up the pitch so the likes of suarez capitalises on the second ball. That was my thinking the reality hasn't worked out. In thoery Torres should be banging in the goals but it hasn't worked out like that. I won't apologise for that because I still think that is a sound tactic but the person who implements it may not be Carroll.
[/quote]

fair enough matey, but maybe you should look at it and realise all this chalkboard stuff's a bit tiresome unless you're a genuine expert, which you obviously aren't, much like much the rest of us. and then you wouldn't expose yourself to this kind of ridicule, get offended, flounce off, and have to hide for a few weeks while your embarrassment subsides.
[/quote]

Says one of the most embarassingly myopic posters on the site - get off the soapbox lad, at least Neil encourages debate.
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fuck off please you pointless thicko.
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Same old Peter, same old garbage.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=47619.msg1431018#msg1431018 date=1322056367]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431017#msg1431017 date=1322056235]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1431010#msg1431010 date=1322055702]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431002#msg1431002 date=1322054951]
tbf to neil, dobbin's excellent late cameo on sunday proved conclusively his assertion that we need mandy carroll for away games. it's obv irrelevant that we were 2-1 up at the time: a close analysis of the stats reveals that we conceded fewer goals with him in the side.
[/quote]


The idea of carroll at away games is a sound one. he is big and strong and should hold up the ball, win the ball high up the pitch so the likes of suarez capitalises on the second ball. That was my thinking the reality hasn't worked out. In thoery Torres should be banging in the goals but it hasn't worked out like that. I won't apologise for that because I still think that is a sound tactic but the person who implements it may not be Carroll.
[/quote]

fair enough matey, but maybe you should look at it and realise all this chalkboard stuff's a bit tiresome unless you're a genuine expert, which you obviously aren't, much like much the rest of us. and then you wouldn't expose yourself to this kind of ridicule, get offended, flounce off, and have to hide for a few weeks while your embarrassment subsides.
[/quote]

Says one of the most embarassingly myopic posters on the site - get off the soapbox lad, at least Neil encourages debate.
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Does he really? I think he stifles debate because he contradicts himself. Then people spend ages telling him he's contradicting himself while he denies it. Its a form of debate, I'll grant you but its not all that satisfying if I'm honest.
 
forget it mate. grjt seems to have some kind of jealous agenda against me and pops up from time to time to try to relieve himself, furiously and inefficaciously.

he soon fucks off.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47619.msg1431029#msg1431029 date=1322057961]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=47619.msg1431018#msg1431018 date=1322056367]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431017#msg1431017 date=1322056235]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1431010#msg1431010 date=1322055702]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431002#msg1431002 date=1322054951]
tbf to neil, dobbin's excellent late cameo on sunday proved conclusively his assertion that we need mandy carroll for away games. it's obv irrelevant that we were 2-1 up at the time: a close analysis of the stats reveals that we conceded fewer goals with him in the side.
[/quote]


The idea of carroll at away games is a sound one. he is big and strong and should hold up the ball, win the ball high up the pitch so the likes of suarez capitalises on the second ball. That was my thinking the reality hasn't worked out. In thoery Torres should be banging in the goals but it hasn't worked out like that. I won't apologise for that because I still think that is a sound tactic but the person who implements it may not be Carroll.
[/quote]

fair enough matey, but maybe you should look at it and realise all this chalkboard stuff's a bit tiresome unless you're a genuine expert, which you obviously aren't, much like much the rest of us. and then you wouldn't expose yourself to this kind of ridicule, get offended, flounce off, and have to hide for a few weeks while your embarrassment subsides.
[/quote]

Says one of the most embarassingly myopic posters on the site - get off the soapbox lad, at least Neil encourages debate.
[/quote]

Does he really? I think he stifles debate because he contradicts himself. Then people spend ages telling him he's contradicting himself while he denies it. Its a form of debate, I'll grant you but its not all that satisfying if I'm honest.


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okay:

point 1:
I want more through the middle of the park.
I don't expect many goals or assists from the holding midfielder.
does the above contridict each other?

keane
viera
alonso
how many goals and assists did those guys accumulate a season?

point 2:
the defense was dragged into the argument, I more than recognise that lucas is part of the defensive diamond and thus takes credit with how mean we are in defense, my basic point is maybe we should gamble that defensive solidity will remain intact despite removing an out and out holding midfielder and replacing him with someone who can offer a competent shield but also give more going forwards by virtue of making more through balls and making better runs to support the strikers.

I'm talking purely home games, games where we have to more often than not break down the door of stubborn defences, games where the opposition readily conceed possession and sit back inviting us on to them, games which are more about unlocking defences rather that keeping the other team out.
I absolutely feel lucas is needed in away games.
you claim I'm contridicting myself but I'm sorry I just don't see it.


I could take this stand point;
concentrate on the attackers, they are the ones fucking up

or this one;
concentrate on the defense, we've taken the lead a few times but have not managed to keep a clean sheet to claim all 3 points.

my standpoint is making the 4 across the middle as competent going forwards as they are sheilding the defense. it's only an opinion and an opinion I have argued, I don't expect to change anyones mind I'm just putting my ideas out there with the idea of having a reasoned debate.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431035#msg1431035 date=1322058873]
forget it mate. grjt seems to have some kind of jealous agenda against me and pops up from time to time to try to relieve himself, furiously and inefficaciously.

he soon fucks off.
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Poor The Peter! He gets put back in his box for posting tripe aeons ago, and cant let it go; how dull.


Back on topic:

Lucas will always be the subject of intense debate - many find it hard to forget his initial displays, which were woeful, but I cant help but think its the Alonso factor that has weighed on him most heavily (with Xabi leaving and him being pushed forward to fill in) - in actual fact he does far better in direct comparisons with Mascher.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=47619.msg1431041#msg1431041 date=1322060017]

Poor The Peter! He gets put back in his box for posting tripe aeons ago, and cant let it go; how dull.


Back on topic:

Lucas will always be the subject of intense debate - many find it hard to forget his initial displays, which were woeful, but I cant help but think its the Alonso factor that has weighed on him most heavily (with Xabi leaving and him being pushed forward to fill in) - in actual fact he does far better in direct comparisons with Mascher.
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Ok, I'm willing to listen. Pm me and tell me wtf your problem is. No need to bother others with this nonsense.
 
Good work fellas, lets take this offline.

If IVE gotta stop being a bellend, everyone has to stop.

🙂
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431056#msg1431056 date=1322061140]
Oh I'd fucking LOVE to take it offline. If fucking only.
[/quote]Grjt's a good guy.
'Coffee looks and he sees hate and fear.....you have to look with better eyes than that'

*sighs*
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1430994#msg1430994 date=1322054332]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1430986#msg1430986 date=1322053157]
oncy I have no idea why you are carrying on like this, my point isn't a complicated one.
I expect more through the middle from our holding midfielder at home and if lucas isn't capable of providing that then give the job to someone else who can.

you can carry on if you wish making out I want more than is resonable to expect but I disagree I think we can have 4 players across the midfield who are capable of giving something to the team in an attacking sense (whilst maining our shape and solidity).

your point that lucas is 'doing his job' and our expensive jan/summer signings aren't doing their job is a valid point but we have what we have and we have to get on with it. so do we continue to moan about our attackers or at least attempt to find solutions (that don't involve bidding our time till jan and making more purchases).

so you carry on, 'oh, arguing with neil is such a laugh'
[/quote]Im 'carrying on' Neil simply because we arent in the same room so I am UNable to bury a 12oz ballpein hammer into your fucking cranium.
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Haha!
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431061#msg1431061 date=1322061423]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431056#msg1431056 date=1322061140]
Oh I'd fucking LOVE to take it offline. If fucking only.
[/quote]Grjt's a good guy.
'Coffee looks and he sees hate and fear.....you have to look with better eyes than that'

*sighs*
[/quote]

I think he's a needle-dicked inadequate, personally, hugely conceited and hopelessly irritated that he can't get the better of someone who despises his intellect for what is: about a billionth of what he imagines.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431061#msg1431061 date=1322061423]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431056#msg1431056 date=1322061140]
Oh I'd fucking LOVE to take it offline. If fucking only.
[/quote]Grjt's a good guy.
'Coffee looks and he sees hate and fear.....you have to look with better eyes than that'

*sighs*
[/quote]

I think he's a needle-dicked inadequate, personally, hugely conceited and hopelessly irritated that he can't get the better of someone who despises his intellect for what is: about a billionth of what he imagines.
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Hahaha! Good job re keeping it offline "thicko" - and stop obsessing, it makes me feel dirty.
 
Please don't lock it , this is classic stuff , lads embarrassing themselves left , right and center .

Ha , why the fuck would you bother taking it "offline" ...it's the arsing internet , there's nothing to sort !! I love the fact that a football forum can piss people off so much it probably carries into their "real" life . Can just see some lads going home and snapping at the missus then apologising "ah sorry luv , I've had a bad day , some fucker on the internet was winding me up " . Classic
 
[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=47619.msg1431085#msg1431085 date=1322064015]
Please don't lock it , this is classic stuff , lads embarrassing themselves left , right and center .

Ha , why the fuck would you bother taking it "offline" ...it's the arsing internet , there's nothing to sort !! I love the fact that a football forum can piss people off so much it probably carries into their "real" life . Can just see some lads going home and snapping at the missus then apologising "ah sorry luv , I've had a bad day , some fucker on the internet was winding me up " . Classic
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but he really hates me! what can i do?

LOL
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431035#msg1431035 date=1322058873]
forget it mate. grjt seems to have some kind of jealous agenda against me and pops up from time to time to try to relieve himself, furiously and inefficaciously.

he soon fucks off.
[/quote]

Irony Alert!
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47619.msg1431091#msg1431091 date=1322064244]
[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=47619.msg1431085#msg1431085 date=1322064015]
Please don't lock it , this is classic stuff , lads embarrassing themselves left , right and center .

Ha , why the fuck would you bother taking it "offline" ...it's the arsing internet , there's nothing to sort !! I love the fact that a football forum can piss people off so much it probably carries into their "real" life . Can just see some lads going home and snapping at the missus then apologising "ah sorry luv , I've had a bad day , some fucker on the internet was winding me up " . Classic
[/quote]

but he really hates me! what can i do?

LOL
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yeah they're ganging up on you now ....just come out windmilling !!
 
The only defensive midfielder in recent memory who scored a fair share of goals and contributed with assists was Hamann. But he was one of a kind also he was more of a CM like Xabster.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47619.msg1431101#msg1431101 date=1322064809]
The only defensive midfielder in recent memory who scored a fair share of goals and contributed with assists was Hamann. But he was one of a kind also he was more of a CM like Xabster.
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Didi didn't score a fair share of goals. He scored 8 goals in 191 league games. His last 2 seasons he didn't score a single goal in the league. Prolific he wasnae.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47619.msg1431177#msg1431177 date=1322077116]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47619.msg1431101#msg1431101 date=1322064809]
The only defensive midfielder in recent memory who scored a fair share of goals and contributed with assists was Hamann. But he was one of a kind also he was more of a CM like Xabster.
[/quote]

Didi didn't score a fair share of goals. He scored 8 goals in 191 league games. His last 2 seasons he didn't score a single goal in the league. Prolific he wasnae.
[/quote]

OK I guess I just imagined it.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47619.msg1431183#msg1431183 date=1322078173]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47619.msg1431177#msg1431177 date=1322077116]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47619.msg1431101#msg1431101 date=1322064809]
The only defensive midfielder in recent memory who scored a fair share of goals and contributed with assists was Hamann. But he was one of a kind also he was more of a CM like Xabster.
[/quote]

Didi didn't score a fair share of goals. He scored 8 goals in 191 league games. His last 2 seasons he didn't score a single goal in the league. Prolific he wasnae.
[/quote]

OK I guess I just imagined it.
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When he did score, they tended to be screamers which obviously stick in the memory. I remember checking the stats a couple of years ago and being surprised at his modest return.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431194#msg1431194 date=1322079292]
Lucas is my new screensaver and wallpaper.

In Lucas I trust.
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....not your avatar is it though lad
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1431229#msg1431229 date=1322082473]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431194#msg1431194 date=1322079292]
Lucas is my new screensaver and wallpaper.

In Lucas I trust.
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....not your avatar is it though lad
[/quote]He IS in my avatar beyotch.
You see his white boots and his beautiful barnet.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431239#msg1431239 date=1322083382]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1431229#msg1431229 date=1322082473]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47619.msg1431194#msg1431194 date=1322079292]
Lucas is my new screensaver and wallpaper.

In Lucas I trust.
[/quote]

....not your avatar is it though lad
[/quote]He IS in my avatar beyotch.
You see his white boots and his beautiful barnet.
[/quote]

did i question he was in your avatar?

i said he WASN'T your avatar. yagemme? S'all well and good and ting if your man be at the back like some kind of sex offender. But we talking lucas here fam.

LUCAS

Fuck dem background shenanigans. Cuz need to be front row centre

phoneshop is too good
 
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