Lucas Leiva - Wonderman.

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1433421#msg1433421 date=1322425638]
with a perofrmance like he gave today it would be curious to read bren's comments of how he felt lucas performed.
[/quote]

I bet he's saying:

"THE CUNT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH GOING FORWARD".

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=themn link=topic=47619.msg1433427#msg1433427 date=1322426157]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47619.msg1433421#msg1433421 date=1322425638]
with a perofrmance like he gave today it would be curious to read bren's comments of how he felt lucas performed.
[/quote]

I bet he's saying:

"THE CUNT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH GOING FORWARD".
[/quote]

lolz

 

[themn]

[quote author=localny link=topic=47619.msg1433372#msg1433372 date=1322423024]

Wonder what brendan j is saying..
[/quote]

Who is "Brendan J" ?

 

[refugee]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=47619.msg1433416#msg1433416 date=1322425429]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=47619.msg1433410#msg1433410 date=1322425330]
He was our player of the season last year, and he was one of our mot consistent if not best players during Rafa's last season. That people are finally giving him props now, just tells me they are two years too late, not that Lucas has got that much better.
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You're misinforming yourself.
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Are you suggesting that the only man on the internet that didn't want Roy Hodgson as manager is rewriting history to suit his agenda? I just can't see that being likely...

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433420#msg1433420 date=1322425630]
I don't care what he was. I know he's becoming a good player and he was fucking boss today
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Is the best way of avoiding the godawful Lucas debate.

He was very good today and has done it on a number of occasions this season. It's good to see him finally grow in stature as watching him be a bit of a passenger and submit too much to those around him was always a complaint of mine.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=47619.msg1433433#msg1433433 date=1322426294]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433420#msg1433420 date=1322425630]
I don't care what he was. I know he's becoming a good player and he was fucking boss today
[/quote]

Is the best way of avoiding the godawful Lucas debate.

He was very good today and has done it on a number of occasions this season. It's good to see him finally grow in stature as watching him be a bit of a passenger and submit too much to those around him was always a complaint of mine.
[/quote]

I think there's more to come Keni. It can only benefit us as a team if so. I'm made up for the lad today though

 

[themn]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1433393#msg1433393 date=1322424728]
[quote author=Shadey link=topic=47619.msg1433383#msg1433383 date=1322424464]
A Big thanks to Rafa B..
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His effort and determination to continue to develop and improve his game is a testament to his character, not anyone else.

He has had so many chances to pack it in with us and try to engineer a move anywhere else where he's not known as "cunt" or people groan when he is on the team sheet

The lad is fundamentally what young lads should aspire to be. He may not be the best, but by fuck he's all heart and he has worked on every facet of his game.

Take a bow son
[/quote]

Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis !

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433435#msg1433435 date=1322426477]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=47619.msg1433433#msg1433433 date=1322426294]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433420#msg1433420 date=1322425630]
I don't care what he was. I know he's becoming a good player and he was fucking boss today
[/quote]

Is the best way of avoiding the godawful Lucas debate.

He was very good today and has done it on a number of occasions this season. It's good to see him finally grow in stature as watching him be a bit of a passenger and submit too much to those around him was always a complaint of mine.
[/quote]

I think there's more to come Keni. It can only benefit us as a team if so. I'm made up for the lad today though
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based on his increasing confidence it wouldn't surprise me if he scored before christmas

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Lucas Stats: Pass Accuracy: 92.2% Tackle Win: 100% (7/7) Ground Duel Won: 81% (13/16) Aerial Duels Won: 100% (4/4)

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47619.msg1433453#msg1433453 date=1322427343]
Lucas Stats: Pass Accuracy: 92.2% Tackle Win: 100% (7/7) Ground Duel Won: 81% (13/16) Aerial Duels Won: 100% (4/4)
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Against one of the best midfields there is.

*applause*

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433457#msg1433457 date=1322427503]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47619.msg1433453#msg1433453 date=1322427343]
Lucas Stats: Pass Accuracy: 92.2% Tackle Win: 100% (7/7) Ground Duel Won: 81% (13/16) Aerial Duels Won: 100% (4/4)
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Against one of the best midfields there is.

*applause*

[/quote]

*tuts and shakes head*

You're forgetting that stats don't mean anything.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47619.msg1433459#msg1433459 date=1322427594]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433457#msg1433457 date=1322427503]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47619.msg1433453#msg1433453 date=1322427343]
Lucas Stats: Pass Accuracy: 92.2% Tackle Win: 100% (7/7) Ground Duel Won: 81% (13/16) Aerial Duels Won: 100% (4/4)
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Against one of the best midfields there is.

*applause*

[/quote]

*tuts and shakes head*

You're forgetting that stats don't mean anything.
[/quote]

Good point

Who's eye is the all knowing eye?

 

[Rosco]

Those stats are wrong btw. he didn't win every tackle.

And again any fool can pass the ball short and sideways all day long.

 

[Fabio]

Lol

Epic trollness

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Pass direction: Forwards: 64% Backwards: 4% Left: 3% Right: 29%

 

[Sunny]

Ah suck it Ross you negative anti-Lucas fucker. He was class today and his passing was quality, varied and purposeful. Nobcheese

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47619.msg1433468#msg1433468 date=1322427968]
Pass direction: Forwards: 64% Backwards: 4% Left: 3% Right: 29%
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Whoomph there it is !

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433465#msg1433465 date=1322427850]
Those stats are wrong btw. he didn't win every tackle.

And again any fool can pass the ball short and sideways all day long.
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In which case I suspect plenty will expect you to do just that at the drinkies game in Jan...

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433465#msg1433465 date=1322427850]
Those stats are wrong btw. he didn't win every tackle.
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I'll let Opta know...

 

[Oncy]

I expect him to finish some of those fucking sitters I put on a plate for him this time the luis suarezy cunt.

 

[Oncy]

Gerry your post made me fucking turgid mate.
Awesome.

 

[themn]

Re Ross: IGNORE HIM, IGNORE HIM !

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Best Passing Accuracy in Opposing Half:

Liverpool: Lucas Leiva – 95% – 39/41
Manchester City: Gareth Barry – 87% – 40/46



Best Passing Accuracy in Final Third:

Liverpool: Lucas Leiva – 94% – 15/16
Manchester City: Gael Clichy – 91% – 10/11

 

[Oncy]

Fap Fap Fap Fap....

 

[Rosco]

Do, cos if they're not counting things correctly you'd have to query the value of the stats, Go back and watch his tackle on Silva in the first 15 mins, where he gave away a foul and didn't win the ball.

If they missed that, can you count them as reliable ?

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433483#msg1433483 date=1322429126]
Do, cos if they're not counting things correctly you'd have to query the value of the stats, Go back and watch his tackle on Silva in the first 15 mins, where he gave away a foul and didn't win the ball.

If they missed that, can you count them as reliable ?
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If the stats have no worth, whats the point in arguing over if they're reliable

Did you think lucas was worth the shirt today?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433483#msg1433483 date=1322429126]
Do, cos if they're not counting things correctly you'd have to query the value of the stats, Go back and watch his tackle on Silva in the first 15 mins, where he gave away a foul and didn't win the ball.

If they missed that, can you count them as reliable ?
[/quote]surely if he gave a foul away that isnt 'losing' a tackle?

Anyway i know youre loving lucas really you chubby trickster.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433483#msg1433483 date=1322429126]
Do, cos if they're not counting things correctly you'd have to query the value of the stats, Go back and watch his tackle on Silva in the first 15 mins, where he gave away a foul and didn't win the ball.

If they missed that, can you count them as reliable ?


[/quote]

Anyone would think you're picking faults...

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1433486#msg1433486 date=1322429208]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433483#msg1433483 date=1322429126]
Do, cos if they're not counting things correctly you'd have to query the value of the stats, Go back and watch his tackle on Silva in the first 15 mins, where he gave away a foul and didn't win the ball.

If they missed that, can you count them as reliable ?
[/quote]

If the stats have no worth, whats the point in arguing over if they're reliable

Did you think lucas was worth the shirt today?
[/quote]

What does a shirt cost these days ? about 50 quid ? Yeah I'd buy him for that.

Why does everyone misinterpret my statements , I didn't say they had no worth. It's too early in the game of stats in football to figure out what stats are useful guides. And to go back to the ones posted earlier in this thread if the stats show Karl Henry as similar to the best DM's in the league, is Henry massively undervalued and underrated or are the stats not counting what makes a good DM (if such things are quantifiable) ?

I think it's the latter.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433495#msg1433495 date=1322429585]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1433486#msg1433486 date=1322429208]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433483#msg1433483 date=1322429126]
Do, cos if they're not counting things correctly you'd have to query the value of the stats, Go back and watch his tackle on Silva in the first 15 mins, where he gave away a foul and didn't win the ball.

If they missed that, can you count them as reliable ?
[/quote]

If the stats have no worth, whats the point in arguing over if they're reliable

Did you think lucas was worth the shirt today?
[/quote]

What does a shirt cost these days ? about 50 quid ? Yeah I'd buy him for that.

Why does everyone misinterpret my statements , I didn't say they had no worth. It's too early in the game of stats in football to figure out what stats are useful guides. And to go back to the ones posted earlier in this thread if the stats show Karl Henry as similar to the best DM's in the league, is Henry massively undervalued and underrated or are the stats not counting what makes a good DM (if such things are quantifiable) ?

I think it's the latter.
[/quote]

Fair enough then. Be awkward!