Lucas Leiva - Wonderman.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433500#msg1433500 date=1322429899]
Fuck your stats Ross, he was fucking aces today.
I blow a big fucking massive raspberry in your face. Feel my spray and suffer
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Feel that ross? Thats the mist of contempt
Fuck your stats Ross, he was fucking aces today.
I blow a big fucking massive raspberry in your face. Feel my spray and suffer
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Feel that ross? Thats the mist of contempt
Lucas' worth against big teams and away matches can not be underestimated, I've never said he shouldn't play these games but I'm not talking about city at home I'm talking bolton at home, or any side that is likely to be fighting relegation. It's definitely a gamble (dropping an out and out holding midfielder) because the threat of a breakaway goal is there, the threat of being overrun in midfield (if the opposition have the balls to take the game to us) but seeing how many points we've pissed away to lower sides at home for a few seasons now (and I'm not saying this is lucas' fault) I personally think it's a gamble worth taking.
Either that or wait till the summer to buy better attackers or hope our current attackers find there shooting boots.
Anyway, great performance from Lucas today against top class opposition.
Either that or wait till the summer to buy better attackers or hope our current attackers find there shooting boots.
Anyway, great performance from Lucas today against top class opposition.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433509#msg1433509 date=1322430488]
Me and Lucas share a birthday !
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It all makes such sense now. Twins, separated at birth. Lucas got the skills, looks and the money. And the hair. That's it ! It's your envy of his Golden Fleece.
Me and Lucas share a birthday !
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It all makes such sense now. Twins, separated at birth. Lucas got the skills, looks and the money. And the hair. That's it ! It's your envy of his Golden Fleece.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433514#msg1433514 date=1322430645]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433509#msg1433509 date=1322430488]
Me and Lucas share a birthday !
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It all makes such sense now. Twins, separated at birth. Lucas got the skills, looks and the money. And the hair. That's it ! It's your envy of his Golden Fleece.
[/quote]One day Lucas will shoot Rosco and Sonia will cry.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433509#msg1433509 date=1322430488]
Me and Lucas share a birthday !
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It all makes such sense now. Twins, separated at birth. Lucas got the skills, looks and the money. And the hair. That's it ! It's your envy of his Golden Fleece.
[/quote]One day Lucas will shoot Rosco and Sonia will cry.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1433501#msg1433501 date=1322429940]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433500#msg1433500 date=1322429899]
Fuck your stats Ross, he was fucking aces today.
I blow a big fucking massive raspberry in your face. Feel my spray and suffer
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Feel that ross? Thats the mist of contempt
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This deserves a ha ha ha ha ha
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47619.msg1433500#msg1433500 date=1322429899]
Fuck your stats Ross, he was fucking aces today.
I blow a big fucking massive raspberry in your face. Feel my spray and suffer
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Feel that ross? Thats the mist of contempt
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This deserves a ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47619.msg1433539#msg1433539 date=1322432992]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47619.msg1433532#msg1433532 date=1322432197]
Yeah Ross, you finished with that girlie of yours yet, ya bastid ?!
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24 hour ban for posting off topic.
😉
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*shouts "CUNT !" from limbo*
[quote author=themn link=topic=47619.msg1433532#msg1433532 date=1322432197]
Yeah Ross, you finished with that girlie of yours yet, ya bastid ?!
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24 hour ban for posting off topic.
😉
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*shouts "CUNT !" from limbo*
Lucas was incredible today.
Most of you know where I stand on Lucas, but today he had a fantastic game, brave in the tackle, and proper ones too. Positive with the ball putting some lovely little through balls in. Good in the air and in the right place, and not giving stupid free kicks away in stupid places.
He also had a great game last week.
I take the same stance that Sunny took with Charlie Adam in the Charlie Adam thread, and with Sunny's good grace I quote...................
"Yep, he's playing well and he's grown on me too. I don't take back what I said about him because it was an honest opinion but I'm happy he's proving me wrong. He IS earning my respect and definitely a place in our team"
I do think Kenny is turning him into a midfield player rather than a defensive midfield player, which is right.
regards
He also had a great game last week.
I take the same stance that Sunny took with Charlie Adam in the Charlie Adam thread, and with Sunny's good grace I quote...................
"Yep, he's playing well and he's grown on me too. I don't take back what I said about him because it was an honest opinion but I'm happy he's proving me wrong. He IS earning my respect and definitely a place in our team"
I do think Kenny is turning him into a midfield player rather than a defensive midfield player, which is right.
regards
*Sticks head in sand!
He is no wonderman! He is not even good enough to be a waterboy!
He is no wonderman! He is not even good enough to be a waterboy!
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Lucas, yet again, was excellent. Torres is fucking shit. It's all weird.
The only thing keeping me sane is that Stuart Downing is still fucking average.
The only thing keeping me sane is that Stuart Downing is still fucking average.
[quote author=themn link=topic=47619.msg1433436#msg1433436 date=1322426496]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1433393#msg1433393 date=1322424728]
[quote author=Shadey link=topic=47619.msg1433383#msg1433383 date=1322424464]
A Big thanks to Rafa B..
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His effort and determination to continue to develop and improve his game is a testament to his character, not anyone else.
He has had so many chances to pack it in with us and try to engineer a move anywhere else where he's not known as "cunt" or people groan when he is on the team sheet
The lad is fundamentally what young lads should aspire to be. He may not be the best, but by fuck he's all heart and he has worked on every facet of his game.
Take a bow son
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Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis !
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..is correct
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47619.msg1433393#msg1433393 date=1322424728]
[quote author=Shadey link=topic=47619.msg1433383#msg1433383 date=1322424464]
A Big thanks to Rafa B..
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His effort and determination to continue to develop and improve his game is a testament to his character, not anyone else.
He has had so many chances to pack it in with us and try to engineer a move anywhere else where he's not known as "cunt" or people groan when he is on the team sheet
The lad is fundamentally what young lads should aspire to be. He may not be the best, but by fuck he's all heart and he has worked on every facet of his game.
Take a bow son
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Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis !
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..is correct
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47619.msg1431398#msg1431398 date=1322126230]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47619.msg1431389#msg1431389 date=1322124910]
So are you with Oncy in thinking we don't need to be looking for a better DM than Lucas?
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We should be looking for better players than all our players. Always.
Presently Lucas is one of the least of our worries. If we get the rest of the team up to a certain level, then we should look to improve on Lucas.
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This is correct.
We used to have the best midfield in the League; then it turned to shit...it's getting better now...but we;re seeing real problems elsewhere; chief of which is we have only one quality forward.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47619.msg1431389#msg1431389 date=1322124910]
So are you with Oncy in thinking we don't need to be looking for a better DM than Lucas?
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We should be looking for better players than all our players. Always.
Presently Lucas is one of the least of our worries. If we get the rest of the team up to a certain level, then we should look to improve on Lucas.
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This is correct.
We used to have the best midfield in the League; then it turned to shit...it's getting better now...but we;re seeing real problems elsewhere; chief of which is we have only one quality forward.
Playing Agger and Skrtel at the back makes the job of a DM slightly easier, as we defend higher on the pitch and the CBs are mobile enough to not require a specialist DM in front of them.
I think both Adam and Lucas can be improved on. But we need to improve on Downing, Kuyt and Carroll more urgently.
I think both Adam and Lucas can be improved on. But we need to improve on Downing, Kuyt and Carroll more urgently.
Heh, just read through this thread there now. Christ there's some unbelievable shite in here, but I'll get to that in a minute...
First things first; don't you know it's illegal to have a thread on here lauding Lucas without the rider that I was right all a-fucking-long? That's right, so get used to it. I'm gonna be like that 'pirate DVDs are illegal' clip at the start of every fucking film that you can't fast forward through. I was that right, and y'all were all that wrong.
Now that we've got that out of the way, onto the marvel that is Lucas Leiva.
Y'see him yesterday did you? Fuck me what a player. The best midfielder on the park, again. You'd do well to name more than one or two other midfielders who've had a better first 4 months to this premier league season. Wins the ball, tI WAS RIGHTackles, wins iI WAS RIGHTt in the air, distributes, raI WAS RIGHTrely fucking ever gives it I WAS RIGHTaway, plays it forward, reads it well,I WAS RIGHT the list is endless. He's a very good footballer.
Anyway, onto you Spider-Neil and your "he needs to be dropped at home against shit teams" assertion.
1 - In what universe is your preferred option for his position, Jordan Henderson, a better option against any fucking team than him? Describe to me how, please I'm desperate to hear.
2 - I've already fucking explained to you through nous, statistics, and clear fucking rationale that there are zero goalscoring/goalcreating midfield partnerships in the Premier League - IT'S GOT TO DO WITH THE OTHER 4/5 FUCKING ATTACKERS YOU KNOW - yet still you go with it. We do not score enough goals Neil, and that's not the centre midfield's fault.
3 - Why do you think Guardiola plays Busquets at home? Against fucking everyone? Spain play him too you know, and Cesc Fabregas sits on the bench, I watched Real Madrid last night play some midtable junk and they had two holding midfielders on the park. One of them Sami Khedira. If he did one fucking thing forward of the centre circle then I missed it I can tell you that. He plays every week too you know and Kaka - BASTARDING KAKA sits on the bench, and he scores fuck all. So that's Real Madrid, Barcelona, Spain, Man City (cos Barry and Yaya Toure couldn't score with a pair of golden cocks), and Manchester United off the top of my head - the best teams in the world Neil - who all play players that do fuck all by the way of attacking in their side. Why do they do that?
4 - Because it free's up the other players in the team. It's as simple as that. Why does Busquets play and Fabregas doesn't? Tell me Neil. Don't worry, I'll tell you why... Because he provides cover and reassurance for the better players in the team to play with freedom. Xavi, Alonso, Silva, Charlie Adam - they can all go forward with the freedom that there is someone behind them covering their hole (literally and metaphorically). There's the explanation that it provides security for the back four too that someone is sitting in front of them screening the play, but more than that they allow the other midfielders to attack without worrying.
5 - Jordan Henderson in centre midfield ahead of Lucas. Did. You. Really. Type. That. ?
Lucas Leiva. Star.
First things first; don't you know it's illegal to have a thread on here lauding Lucas without the rider that I was right all a-fucking-long? That's right, so get used to it. I'm gonna be like that 'pirate DVDs are illegal' clip at the start of every fucking film that you can't fast forward through. I was that right, and y'all were all that wrong.
Now that we've got that out of the way, onto the marvel that is Lucas Leiva.
Y'see him yesterday did you? Fuck me what a player. The best midfielder on the park, again. You'd do well to name more than one or two other midfielders who've had a better first 4 months to this premier league season. Wins the ball, tI WAS RIGHTackles, wins iI WAS RIGHTt in the air, distributes, raI WAS RIGHTrely fucking ever gives it I WAS RIGHTaway, plays it forward, reads it well,I WAS RIGHT the list is endless. He's a very good footballer.
Anyway, onto you Spider-Neil and your "he needs to be dropped at home against shit teams" assertion.
1 - In what universe is your preferred option for his position, Jordan Henderson, a better option against any fucking team than him? Describe to me how, please I'm desperate to hear.
2 - I've already fucking explained to you through nous, statistics, and clear fucking rationale that there are zero goalscoring/goalcreating midfield partnerships in the Premier League - IT'S GOT TO DO WITH THE OTHER 4/5 FUCKING ATTACKERS YOU KNOW - yet still you go with it. We do not score enough goals Neil, and that's not the centre midfield's fault.
3 - Why do you think Guardiola plays Busquets at home? Against fucking everyone? Spain play him too you know, and Cesc Fabregas sits on the bench, I watched Real Madrid last night play some midtable junk and they had two holding midfielders on the park. One of them Sami Khedira. If he did one fucking thing forward of the centre circle then I missed it I can tell you that. He plays every week too you know and Kaka - BASTARDING KAKA sits on the bench, and he scores fuck all. So that's Real Madrid, Barcelona, Spain, Man City (cos Barry and Yaya Toure couldn't score with a pair of golden cocks), and Manchester United off the top of my head - the best teams in the world Neil - who all play players that do fuck all by the way of attacking in their side. Why do they do that?
4 - Because it free's up the other players in the team. It's as simple as that. Why does Busquets play and Fabregas doesn't? Tell me Neil. Don't worry, I'll tell you why... Because he provides cover and reassurance for the better players in the team to play with freedom. Xavi, Alonso, Silva, Charlie Adam - they can all go forward with the freedom that there is someone behind them covering their hole (literally and metaphorically). There's the explanation that it provides security for the back four too that someone is sitting in front of them screening the play, but more than that they allow the other midfielders to attack without worrying.
5 - Jordan Henderson in centre midfield ahead of Lucas. Did. You. Really. Type. That. ?
Lucas Leiva. Star.
Ryan, do you see the exact same player now as you saw a few years ago when you first started licking Lucas' arse?
Because if it's a resounding yes, you'd have to be in denial.
The tempo at which he can now play, and thus his quick passing, positioning, timing when going into tackles, etc have improved dramatically (dramatically might even be an understatement), not to mention his obvious effort in improving his strength.
He's a different player now. When he was first put into an unfamiliar position under Rafa, he was poor. He was shellshocked with the tempo and physicality, and also seemed confused as to what he could and couldn't do in that position. His timing when going into tackles was also pretty awful.
He's transformed completely now and made the position his own. But I think it could have gone either way, and it wasn't all that obvious that he was going to become such a good holding midfielder.
Either way, we're all happy about him.
Because if it's a resounding yes, you'd have to be in denial.
The tempo at which he can now play, and thus his quick passing, positioning, timing when going into tackles, etc have improved dramatically (dramatically might even be an understatement), not to mention his obvious effort in improving his strength.
He's a different player now. When he was first put into an unfamiliar position under Rafa, he was poor. He was shellshocked with the tempo and physicality, and also seemed confused as to what he could and couldn't do in that position. His timing when going into tackles was also pretty awful.
He's transformed completely now and made the position his own. But I think it could have gone either way, and it wasn't all that obvious that he was going to become such a good holding midfielder.
Either way, we're all happy about him.
Quite obviously he's become a better player JM. I worte another post a week or so agao about some players taking a lot longer to get comfortable and confident on the pitch; Parker, Adam, etc than the likes of Gerrard, Owen and Rooney who are astounding from the first minute they get on the park.
Lucas is on the former types; you can just see by the way he carries himself on the pitch now that he actually feels like he belongs out there, which wasn't necessarily the case a few years back when he was hiding behind Gerrard/Alonso/Hamman's shadow. He always had ability though, and I always thought he was a good player - I typed it enough, much to the ridicule of others. I just think the thing that's changed is inside his head, more than any serious ability-shift.
Lucas is on the former types; you can just see by the way he carries himself on the pitch now that he actually feels like he belongs out there, which wasn't necessarily the case a few years back when he was hiding behind Gerrard/Alonso/Hamman's shadow. He always had ability though, and I always thought he was a good player - I typed it enough, much to the ridicule of others. I just think the thing that's changed is inside his head, more than any serious ability-shift.
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