Not quite the fappening is it?
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That was in relation to Coutinho.
Lallana has been outstanding away to Utd, and home to Arsenal.
It's not my issue that he's making you look a fool.
Again.
Would it be fair to say you can't work Coutinho out?
Like a lot of people, I find him very frustrating. We all know the ability is there, he's scary good when he's on it but it's no good doing it once every 7 or 8 games.
This!!
Then he's already better than you think, unless you think his last good game was 7-8 games ago.
That's fair enough, but I think he's got time on his side and is relatively young enough to be given some slack on that note. The lives of David Silva weren't that consistent at his age either, he averaged 4 league goals a season until the one prior to joining City (he joined City when he was 24), so by similar reckoning, Coutinho would be ready to push on in the next year or two.
Personally I'm a big fan of both Lallana and Coutinho, but I think Coutinho's got the potential to be the better player. They both have flaws in their respective games, but can both be massive assets for us over the next few years.
Oh I agree - he is only 22 and a run in the team will do him good.
He's at the age were I want to see the potential translate into results.
I've said before, I think he's good, I just want him to be better - our future success is tied partly to him.
We have a bunch of cracking youngsters - who, if they all develop to their potential will make us a very, very good side.
Coutinho is central to that.
Exactly... Its like last season when we had Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling all in the team - when all on the pitch the opposition has a total nightmare and you could see against Swansea that it was approaching similar levels with Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling all in the mood.
I just think people are being a bit harsh on him - ok, so his shooting is erratic, what about the amount of chances he creates that get wasted? In Silva's first season at City, he scored 5/6 in all competitions, but created 15. Think about the players he had infront of him to feed.
When Coutinho had that movement with Sturridge, Suarez, Sterling and Hendo (at times), he thrived. This season he's had Sterling and a static bunch of players around him. He's getting there, I just think people have unrealistic expectations of some young players when they're our own, compare him statistically to similar players at top clubs at the same age.
Silva had Balloteli in front of him!
Tevez too, of course.
Yes, but I think it's positive criticism - no one is suggesting selling him or replacing, just stating the things he needs to do to reach the Silva level.
Same with Sterling - composure in front of goal for example.
I guess with Coutinho, the issue is that his most consistent period was the first half season when he arrived - he hasn't replicated that form consistently in the time since.
Maybe it is harsh, to an extent, but I'd apply it equally to all our players - there are bits all must improve on.
Crouch down a bit.
Lallana is being considered under the exact same microscope as Coutinho.
His end product has just been better.
Precisely so.
No he's not.
Has anyone mentioned the massive difference in transfer fees between Coutinho and Lallana?
The difference in age?
I haven't seen anyone here make a comparison between Lallana and Silva but it's still OK to compare Coutinho to Silva?
Maybe I've got it wrong, maybe some of you think Coutinho is better than him and therefore expect more from him, but I seriously doubt that.
The difference between transfer fees makes zero difference to the question of quality.
Coutinho's youth has certainly been mentioned, as has the fact that he has the potential to be an even better player than Lallana.
Yet again, Modo, you see only what you want to see.
Coutinho's youth has certainly been mentioned, as has the fact that he has the potential to be an even better player than Lallana.
Yet again, Modo, you see only what you want to see.
So there's no in-between?
Why do you demand that a player who cost us £7 million become excellent?
Is it not OK if he becomes "very good" like his £25 million counter part?
That is what I don't understand.
The cost is always irrelevant when you're talking a quality e.g. Gerrard cost £0 but our expectation of him is always of a high quality, similarly with Owen, Fowler and a whole host of others.
Because Lallana I don't think will improve. He is what he is and what he is is very good
Coutinho shows moments of being genuinely world class, then he messes up or has a period of abysmal form
Why is wrong to get frustrated with a player who is capable of so much more, when he fails to deliver?
Again.... what "demands"?
What are you actually trying to say - that it's ok for Coutinho to be inconsistent and not develop because he was cheap?
That it would be ok for Coutinho to not realise his full potential?
What is it you're not getting?
Coutinho is young, talented & inconsistent with high potential. He was bought when his value was low.
Lallanna is in his prime years, more consistent with a lower improvement potential. He was bought when his value was high.
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