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John Terry case

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If he's trying to be cryptic following on from his 'Liar Liar' tweet the other day it's not working - He just sounds like a moronic twat.
 
We're on the seventh page of this thread. Clearly Ferdinand is trying to sell us something. He must read this forum.
 
If Terry was a liquid he would be that gunk that drips from a toilet brush.
I really hope he gets the same luck that Arry got for lying in court.
 
Don't quite understand the need for character witnesses. The case isn't to determine if he's racist, just if he used a racial slur. Right?
 
Indeed.

Anyway we know from experience that he needs a photo of him smiling alongside a black kid to prove he's not racist.
 
Strangely enough Drogba, Anelka, Malouda and Mikel who were chelsea players at the time were not character witnesses.

And yes I dont understand the need for character witnesses either, other than to show the defendent as a shining light.
 
There's more than one definition of the word, though. I'm not sure... I think the meaning of the insult is probably well enough understood that you can hold a considered opinion of whether someone is one or not. But in this context, just dished out thoughtlessly as abuse, it's clearly not an opinion, whether combined with black or not.

Well I don't think there is any doubt whatsoever that the people presiding over the case know every possible meaning of the word .... but that is not how the law tends to look at it. And who is to say who is and who isn't a 'cunt' when in fact that is an opinion without a legal definition ? Therefore again we are back to a literal interpretation and it's a slur.
 
I don't get why bringing colour in it not only elevates the status of the offence amongst moral arbiters, but also gets the law involved. It's kinda pathetic. I think it demeans black people more that the state feels the need to protect them from name calling, over and above name calling for any other physical attribute or cultural heritage anyone might have, than the likes of Terry calling them those names.

It's extreme PC a la the USA. I'm afraid the UK just sucks it up and, although always a few years behind, eventually follows meekly in their footsteps.

Is Black #@$@$% any worse that White #@%%# ? If someone calls me a White Cunt is that somehow a stronger insult than just being called a cunt ? I thought equality was just that, it isn't though is it ? Do black people honestly feel that this is worthy (forget it's John Terry !) of being dragged through the courts (honest question) ? And if the shoe were on the other foot how would people react ? We all know what colour we are, Chinese openly and disarmingly call themselves Yellow when comparing themselves to Westerners, are they abusing themselves ?

And yes I know the historical connotations - but we preserve and propagate those prejudices with actions like these, not lay them to rest.

I honestly think the UK (USA) makes a bigger and heavier rod for it's own back by the heavy handed way they 'protect people's rights'. There are many people more deserving of prosecution - those making ridiculous monkey noises and throwing bananas for starters. Now that is racial abuse. Or denying people work on the basis of their colour. That is racial abuse.
 
Well I don't think there is any doubt whatsoever that the people presiding over the case know every possible meaning of the word .... but that is not how the law tends to look at it. And who is to say who is and who isn't a 'cunt' when in fact that is an opinion without a legal definition ? Therefore again we are back to a literal interpretation and it's a slur.

But you didn't limit your initial point to how the law defines it, you simply said that describing someone as a cunt could never be an opinion because it's demonstrably untrue. I'm saying that's not right because there's a well-established, and reasonably well-accepted, secondary definition of the word. I don't see how any of the above counters that.
 
In a hilarious misunderstanding, Terry was asked to repeat evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career.

“Can you say, please, four times?” asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.

“Please, please, please, please,” Terry responded.

Guffaws of laughter broke out around the courtroom at the misunderstanding, which was a result of the judge asking Terry to speak up.

The footballer appeared confused by response from the courtroom.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...ase-please-could-you-repeat-that-7936075.html
 
haha thats amazing, this has got to be the most ridiculous trial ive ever heard about, and i watch judge judy
 
He's lucky the judge didn't think he was arsing about and do him for contempt. The fact that he didn't suggests it's painfully obvious to him that Terry is thick as a plank.
 
I nearly fell of the chair laughing when he had to repeat the chants his mom loves scouse cock.
 
Oh fuck right off. Its words. And its not just black players who have rights. What about Zidane? A joke about his sister? Boom!

Your willingness to "take 'em out" means you've allowed yourself to be dragged down to their level. Congratulations.

For nigh on 40 years black players have been subjected to monkey noises, racist chanting, bananas on the pitch and abuse. 40 years. Walking away clearly hasn't worked. He who feels it knows it son, so you can fuck off and while your at it, kiss my arse.
 
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