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John Terry case
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whilst I don't like terry, i find it slightly awkward that people are punished by the criminal law for expressing an opinion - bar incitement to imminent violence I think people should be allowed to say anything they like regardless of how reprehensible people find it.
Are you serious?
yes - however, this does not mean i like it or condone it. rather than punish and create taboos, we should challrnge these peoples views in the market place of ideas, lest we forget why we hold dear the views we do in the first place.
Gosh that was brave
I don't want pikeys and chavs hanging around in the market of ideas.
I understand what you're saying but this happened in the work place. Doesn't seem like it to us but for Ferdinand he was at his job, he shouldn't have to put up with that from fellow 'professionals'.
Maradona makes an excellent point though, a brave one as Vlad says and one which should make us all stop and think. The trouble with making the holding of an opinion a crime is that you then give those in power the green light to extend that kind of prohibition in any direction they like. You may support the outlawing of a particular opinion now, but one of yours may be next on the authorities' "hit list". Very, VERY slippery slope.
So it should be acceptable to racially abuse someone then? Because the subject is racist abuse, not holding a controversial opinion.
It's nonsense to imagine that black people really are inferior, so anyone saying or suggesting it is certainly not expressing a fact. It follows that whoever does that is expressing an opinion. I'm all for society disapproving of that. What concerns me, maradona and others is getting the law itself involved in the process.
That's definitely an opinion. Add the word black and you're fucked.
Its 'Black cunt' which makes it abuse or don't you get that?
Interesting , lets skip over you missing what i said.
Are you saying cunt on its own isn't abuse?
I'm speaking of the John Terry case where the term used was 'Black cunt' allegedly. Whether i think cunt is abuse or not is irrelevant
Here we go!!
Popcorn anybody?
Popcorn anybody?
Fucking ay - Racism killed the SCM star.
So Terrys defence is that he just repeated something Ferdinand had said to him?
And he can call in 2000 witnesses who will back him up about not being racist. Supporting Desailly and Drogbas work in Afria also proves this.
Fucking mong. God I hate that man.
And he can call in 2000 witnesses who will back him up about not being racist. Supporting Desailly and Drogbas work in Afria also proves this.
Fucking mong. God I hate that man.
I'll take some from your stall spion
Salt or sweet? £1 please.
Ive only followed this fleetingly, but it seems from afar that Terry and his legal team have come to this thing much better prepared than that bumbling fuckwit Ferdinand - who is coming across like a complete moron.
Terry's going to get off with this, the great horrible cunt.
Terry's going to get off with this, the great horrible cunt.
yep, and the fa wont do a thing, if he's found innocent they'll say they have no need to do anything, if he's guilty they'll say he's aready been punished. It would have been much better if this hadnt gone to court at all
DON'T DO IT HANSERN!
Haha. Anyway it is always a case of balancing between peoples rights. If you focus solely upon the rights of the racist then of course you will miss the point. The racist person has a right to hold an opinion. It's just that the black person has a more important right to not have his dignity abused.
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