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John Terry case

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Sunny said:
Well it will be interesting if he doesn't get off. He's certainly being caught on camera and I guess a lot will depend on Ferdinands witness testimony. I do reckon the FA will apply the Alan Shearer/Neil Lennon clause i.e. come up with some bullshit excuse the FA will be more than happy to swallow although it flies in the face of the obvious evidence.
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He hasn't certainly been caught on camera though has he? Isn't there the first part of the video that is obscured, making it unclear in terms of everything he said? That could be considered reasonable doubt I would have thought
 
John Terry used a racist obscenity against Anton Ferdinand after taunts about his alleged affair with a team-mate's ex-partner, a court has heard.

The court heard that Mr Terry maintains he was only sarcastically repeating words that Mr Ferdinand wrongly thought he had used, during the match which was broadcast to millions of people.
 
I'm intrigued to hear what he "actually" said, that wrongly sounded rascist to Ferdinand.

Big load of BS I presume.
 
There is footage from a side-on view and also face-on. The latter is damning because at no point does it show Terry saying "I didn't call you a...."
 
25_05_05 said:
There is footage from a side-on view and also face-on. The latter is damning because at no point does it show Terry saying "I didn't call you a...."
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Eve in the view where Cashley gets in the way there's no way he could have got all the words out in the time Cashley blocked him.
 
From Matt Dickinson of The Times:

@DickinsonTimes: Prosecution say that Terry accepts using "fuck off, fuck off", "f black cunt" and "f nobhead" but defence will be "sarcastic exclamation"

@DickinsonTimes: Prosecution say that Terry accepts using "fuck off, fuck off", "f black cunt" and "f nobhead" but defence will be "sarcastic exclamation"
 
If he is found guilty can he be banned from football grounds for a period of years like the Liverpool fan who abused Evra?
 
Rosco said:
Eve in the view where Cashley gets in the way there's no way he could have got all the words out in the time Cashley blocked him.
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Very true. Just watched the obscured footage again. Now to find the footage from the other angle.
 
Can we not mention the Suarez case please? Let's forget it happened until he tears Evra a new one, and then we can bring in some nice jokes? This pertains to everyone - those on the side of Suarez, those who don't care, those who are torn, and those who are on the side of the Law (or Jedi Warriors). Thanks ALL.
 
Rosco said:
The Court has a 98% conviction rate
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You're blind faith in statistics will be your undoing. Section 28 of the Crime and Disorder Act.

28 Meaning of “racially or religiously aggravated”.

(1)An offence is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of sections 29 to 32 below if—
(a)at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim’s membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group; or
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So you now have to prove hostility. If it was just the Public Order Act, then you can pretend like the FA that you are mentally retarded and fail to understand the meaning of simple words in that act to secure your conviction. However, in Terry's case some cunt thought it was a good idea to write even more words. So it's harder to find Terry guilty because now you have to deal with the shit above.

Guidance on prosecuting cases of racist and religious crime

"Hostility"

To prove that an offence is racially or religiously aggravated, the prosecution has to prove the "basic" offence followed by racial or religious aggravation, as defined in section 28 Crime and Disorder Act 1998. An offence will be racially or religiously aggravated if:
  1. at the time of the offence (or shortly before or after), the offender demonstrates to the victim hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group, or
  2. the offence is motivated wholly or partly by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership (or presumed membership) of that group.
    • demonstrating hostility is not defined by the Act. The ordinary dictionary definition of hostile includes simply being "unfriendly". Proving this limb of the offence requires evidence of words or actions which show hostility toward the victim. However, this hostility may be totally unconnected with the "basic" offence which may have been committed for other, non-racially or religiously motivated reasons. For example, an assault which takes place because of an argument over a parking place, but where the offender then utters racial abuse to the victim of the assault would come within the scope of this part of section 28.
    • motivated by hostility may prove more difficult in practice. In the absence of a clear statement by the accused that his/her actions were motivated by his hostility to his victim based on his race or religious belief, for example, an admission under caution, how can motive be shown? In some cases, background evidence could well be important if relevant to establish motive, for example, evidence of membership of, or association with, a racist group, or evidence of expressed racist views in the past might, depending on the facts, be admissible in evidence.
The following cases illustrate the approach that the courts have adopted when interpreting the law.
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...blah blah blah. Fuck me, even that retard solicitor McFuckwit could manage this to get him off this one.
 
Hence the offences being different, as i mentioned earlier.

He's being tried in what you and others would classify as a kangaroo court, so clearly he's fucked
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Can we not mention the Suarez case please? Let's forget it happened until he tears Evra a new one, and then we can bring in some nice jokes? This pertains to everyone - those on the side of Suarez, those who don't care, those who are torn, and those who are on the side of the Law (or Jedi Warriors). Thanks ALL.
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Will do. But several posts in this thread has a relevance to the case, and leaves the door open to their views the last time this was discussed. But fair enough and agreed, its better left alone.
 
Dantes - STOP IT!

Hansern - let's let it go. You yourself said that thread caused a lot of 'damage,' so why bring it up?
 
THE CASES ARE SPEARATE AND UNRELATED.

ITS NOT WORTH THINKING ABOUT.
 
Fabio said:
THE CASES ARE SPEARATE AND UNRELATED.

ITS NOT WORTH THINKING ABOUT.
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LeTallecWiz said:
Dantes - STOP IT!

Hansern - let's let it go. You yourself said that thread caused a lot of 'damage,' so why bring it up?
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Oh I will mate. No problem. My intention wasnt to start a Suarez discussion, but to see what will be the outcome of Terrys court case and how the FA will handle it compared to Luis.
 
There is new video evidence regarding the case though. According to the Beeb you can see and hear Ferdinand talk about the Bridge incidendent before Terrys responds.
 
Mr Ferdinand told the court that initially he did not think any racist terms had been used.
But after the match, his girlfriend at the time played him a YouTube clip and he changed his mind.
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ah a good old youtube clip . most likely edited to shite music .
 
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it's like a shit Chris Rock and an even shitter graeme swann , sort it out Priscilla !
 
I would've thought the fact Terry has now admitted using the language ought to oblige the FA to act. After all, intention has already been ruled as irrelevant by them when it comes to racist language.
 
He's only wearing a pink tie to prove to the country that he's not homophobic as well.
 
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