Deadwood

[the_khl]

So with the Season closing in which players do you believe we should be looking to get rid of for one reason or another. Be it to increase funds for new players or simply because they no longer should be part of the team going forward or perhaps a third reason you can think of.

Line 'em up:

 

[Fabio]

Flanagan
Carroll
Assaidi

Keep the rest. They're the only ones who haven't got a look in or haven't performed well enough.

Perhaps I'm harsh on Flanagan

 

[Frogfish]

Values (in GBP) taken from TransferMarket.co.uk (unless ?) and are as good/bad a guide to value as any other source I guess.​

Assaidi (4.4 to 5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Carroll (10 to 11M) - never going to be a good match for LFC.
Coates (4 to 4.5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Carra is retiring so needs replacing.
Flanagan (2M ?) - too many injuries.
Pacheco (2M ?) - never going to be good enough for LFC (I'm really sorry to say).
Robinson (2M ?) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Spearing (2.6 to 3M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Wilson (1.3 to 1.5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.

Still on the fence but if we find/can afford better I'd sell in a flash :
Downing (7 - 8M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Shelvey (4.4 to 5M)
Skrtel (13-15M)

Bring in 2 CBs, 1 DM, 1 AM.

 

[Glen C]

Reina has the odd good game but been average for ages
Skrtel rodgers doesnt rate him
Carroll shit
Flanno never gonna get a look in
Downing big game bottler
Assaidi offers very little
Borini offers less than assaidi
Spearing poor
Shelvey average thug

Would have said Henderson as well but he's a decent squad player even though I wouldn't have him as a regular starter.

 

[Oncy]

*Sigh*

No one.
We should BUILD not reconstruct.

I guess Carroll, Spearing and Pacheco couldnt hurt given their standing at the club.
But ultimately i believe we should buy players to compliment what we have not sell and re-buy.

 

[Oncy]

Oh yeah Flanagan, Wilson and Robinson obviously because they are wank.

 

[the_khl]

Interesting shouts so far.

No one has mentioned Lucas and perhaps that's understandable but I have to say I would not be too downhearted to see him go for a reasonable prize as we so lack a powerful DM type that would also possess a threat going forward. They are rare but possible to find.

I'd personally keep Assaidi but would be more willing to sell Borini, as he'd struggle to even get a starting birth now and even more so if we are to add a few more quality forward players.

Skrtel - £10M (Rodgers doesn't rate him as been said)
Lucas - £12M (Not found his best form, and after all only a form he's been showing for around half a Season)
Borini - £8M (harsh to sell him so soon after a horrendous first Season mared by injuries, but I am just not sure he's what we need even when fit).
Carroll - £15M (Rodgers doesn't rate him)
Coates - £4M (Rodgers doesn't rate him)

And then there's the rest as listed by Frogfish (apart from Robinson whom I'd probably give another Season)

Flanagan (2M ?) - Too many injuries and perhaps too light-weight.
Pacheco (2M ?) - Never going to be good enough for LFC (I'm really sorry to say).
Spearing (2.6 to 3M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Wilson (1.3 to 1.5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.

That sums up to around: £55M

Add to this the rumoured around £20M freed for transfers and Rodgers got himself a very decent looking kitty to buy from without having to sell anyone but Lucas from the current Starting XI.

 

[the_khl]

*Sigh*

No one.
We should BUILD not reconstruct.

I guess Carroll, Spearing and Pacheco couldnt hurt given their standing at the club.
But ultimately i believe we should buy players to compliment what we have not sell and re-buy.

As much as I get your view with building not reconstructing it's always a fine line to balance.

It brings dynamics to a squad to move a few players on that are not playing/satisfied and get a few hungry and focused new players in. We defo need that.

 

[Oncy]

If you sell Lucas and Skrtel we are building AGAIN.

 

[the_khl]

If you sell Lucas and Skrtel we are building AGAIN.

Skrtel doesn't figure in Rodgers' plans mate and haven't played for a long time now. I can't see him and Agger being our future partnership after Carra has been picked ahead of him for quite some time now.

I agree with Lucas but it's always a matter of opinion and I just don't believe he's going to take us further forward as it is. Maybe I am wrong, if he stays as a given starter, I sure hope so.

 

[Rosco]

*Sigh*

No one.
We should BUILD not reconstruct.

I guess Carroll, Spearing and Pacheco couldnt hurt given their standing at the club.
But ultimately i believe we should buy players to compliment what we have not sell and re-buy.

We should build, but who should we build around ?

For me the likes of Reina, Johnson, Skrtel and Agger are open to offers rather than what we should build on - we've done it for a few years now with poor results. It's time to reevaluate what our core should be

 

[Oncy]

So Skrtel cant work hard and impress Skrtel then?
I think its dangerous to sell a player as soon as their form slumps and we drop them.

 

[the_khl]

We should build, but who should we build around ?

For me the likes of Reina, Johnson, Skrtel and Agger are open to offers rather than what we should build on - we've done it for a few years now with poor results. It's time to reevaluate what our core should be

With Gerrard not getting any younger either this is getting even more relevant the coming Seasons.

Personally haven't lost faith in either of Reina and Agger, but I get your point. They have both been part of a shaky Season too. Problem is, if you are going to buy a complete new line of defenders and a keeper you'd be starting from scratch. Not saying that's not what to be done but I don't believe it is necessary at the time.

We need a better balance though throughout the middle.

 

[the_khl]

So Skrtel cant work hard and impress Skrtel then?
I think its dangerous to sell a player as soon as their form slumps and we drop them.

He can of course but it seems to mere there's more in it than just him being off form. Like with Carroll he seems to have got a rather troubled relationship with the gaffer.

 

[Modo]

You haven't lost faith in Agger you say.....quelle surprise

 

[mark1975]

So Skrtel cant work hard and impress Skrtel then?
I think its dangerous to sell a player as soon as their form slumps and we drop them.

I think he's obviously had a fall out with Rodgers. He said as much, that he felt he was made a scapegoat after the cup game. He was great last season and by and large has been no more shakey than anyone else at the back this season, Agger and Johnson have made mistakes throughout the season. Kris is taking glee in telling us that he's on his way because he's "not good enough for a big club". It's a bit galling to see a few other chumps get away with it. His face doesn't fit, for whatever reason, let's be honest. And if we're replacing him with Ashely fucking Williams at 29 years old, then more fool Rogers.

 

[the_khl]

I think he's obviously had a fall out with Rodgers. He said as much, that he felt he was made a scapegoat after the cup game. He was great last season and by and large has been no more shakey than anyone else at the back this season, Agger and Johnson have made mistakes throughout the season. Kris is taking glee in telling us that he's on his way because he's "not good enough for a big club". It's a bit galling to see a few other chumps get away with it. His face doesn't fit, for whatever reason, let's be honest. And if we're replacing him with Ashely fucking Williams at 29 years old, then more fool Rogers.

Look at my post above Mark.

You are always trying to get into a fight on this subject, like it's criminal that I've never been convinced about Skrtel. I have never been convinced about Lucas either. For different reasons. Right or wrong. But that's my opinion.

I don't know what's the real reasoning from Rodgers to keep Skrtel in the cold but I know I am not to upset about it as I believe we can do better. I don't think Williams is an obvious candidate though

 

[Rosco]

So Skrtel cant work hard and impress Skrtel then?
I think its dangerous to sell a player as soon as their form slumps and we drop them.

I look at it differently, the dangerous thing to do was to reward him for one season of good form, particularly after years of being no more than decent overall.

He will get to stick around and try to impress Rodgers, simply because we'll take a huge hit on that contract if we sell him.

It's obvious contracts can go bad on us, and the further away in the future you're looking the less predictable things become, so for me when you give a player like Skrtel a big money five year deal and within six months he's no longer starting- you fucked up badly.

I think what happened was somewhat predictable when you consider his overall career and the style of play which very much protected our CBs last season.

 

[the_khl]

Martin Skrtel has spoken of his determination to win back his status as first-choice centre-back at Liverpool.

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The Slovakia international was a mainstay of the side during the first half of 2012-13 but a combination of injury and the fine form of Jamie Carragher has restricted his game time since January.

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Skrtel insists that he has to respect the manager's decision while doing all he can to force his way into the team.
"This is what happens in football and this time it was my turn," he told his official website.

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"I have to respect it and wait for my chance. And I hope my chance will come before the end of the season.
"Those who know me know that I will fight for my place in the team."

 

[mark1975]

Look at my post above Mark.

You are always trying to get into a fight on this subject, like it's criminal that I've never been convinced about Skrtel. I have never been convinced about Lucas either. For different reasons. Right or wrong. But that's my opinion.

I don't know what's the real reasoning from Rodgers to keep Skrtel in the cold but I know I am not to upset about it as I believe we can do better. I don't think Williams is an obvious candidate though

I'm always trying to get in a fight on the subject? Come on Kris, those were your words last week, "Deal with it, he's not good enough for a big club".

 

[mark1975]

Anyway, it's been done to death. It's obvious he'll go, and Carragher will retire, and we'll have one competent centre back left, a half decent left back and a right back that can't defend. Just to consolidate a defense that's already leaking goals all over the place.

 

[dee]

I think one of the real positives about the squad currently is that we DON'T have a long list of Deadwood to clear out for the first time in years.

There are a few that I'd like to see improved upon but we no longer have the hapless twats like Degen and koncheski cluttering up the training ground.

Clearly we will be releasing Wilson (out of contract) and Carra (retiring) and we will be selling Carroll, Jay and Coates (homesick?) but none of these can be referred to as deadwood.

In an ideal world we'd replace Lucas but since he has a new contract I'm happy for us to build our DM capacity and have him on the bench.

Our squad is the best it's been for a long time regarding having no utter shite in it. What it is less good at is having star quality. What I mean is that before we have been used to a squad of Superstars and dire shite. Now we have got a squad of mainly "yeh he's alright"

 

[mark1975]

Fair point Dee.

 

[the_khl]

I'm always trying to get in a fight on the subject? Come on Kris, those were your words last week, "Deal with it, he's not good enough for a big club".

Ahh come on Mark, that was after you had trolled the living **** out of me with some serious Agger bashing. 😉

Agree though it has been done to death that subject and this thread has now moved on.

*looks as thread moves on*

 

[Fallon]

Assaidi (4.4 to 5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Carroll (10 to 11M) - never going to be a good match for LFC.
Coates (4 to 4.5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Carra is retiring so needs replacing.
Flanagan (2M ?) - too many injuries.
Pacheco (2M ?) - never going to be good enough for LFC (I'm really sorry to say).
Robinson (2M ?) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Spearing (2.6 to 3M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Wilson (1.3 to 1.5M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.

Still on the fence but if we find/can afford better I'd sell in a flash :
Downing (7 - 8M) - never going to be good enough for LFC.
Shelvey (4.4 to 5M)
Skrtel (13-15M)

I'd maybe keep Downing for another season (wow at that sentence), but everybody else listed would comprise my list.

 

[Glen C]

I'd maybe keep Downing for another season (wow at that sentence), but everybody else listed would comprise my list.

Sell him now while people think he's half decent. Ince could do the same job for half the wages.

 

[Mors]

Sell these in a blink:
Carroll
Flanagan
Pacheco
Spearing
Downing
Shelvey

If I had my way these 3 would be gone too:
Skrtel
Agger
Reina

But I can't see the boss wanting to replace the keeper and 2 CB's as it'll unsettle the defence to fuck and the 3 replacements might not bond. So I only expect 1 of those to go, probably Skrtel.

These go anyway:
Wilson (is out of contract at the end of the season)
Carra (retiring)


BUT, getting rid of 5-10 players massively depletes the squad, not the first team. So we might hardly get rid of anyone.

 

[Leo]

Reina has the odd good game but been average for ages
Skrtel rodgers doesnt rate him
Carroll shit
Flanno never gonna get a look in
Downing big game bottler
Assaidi offers very little
Borini offers less than assaidi
Spearing poor
Shelvey average thug

Would have said Henderson as well but he's a decent squad player even though I wouldn't have him as a regular starter.

What a load of bollox.
This isn't football manager on your handheld.

 

[Jerry Laser]

Reina - I know its a bit of a shock choice, but to me he has gone backwards further and further the last 3 seasons. I even wondered if he actually gave 2 shits at all earlier this season. Looked like he couldnt be arsed to even attempt a save at some points. Would prefer a younger hungrier keeper for cheaper we can sell Pepe for.

Skrtel - Yes another shock choice, but for me the Agger Skrtel partnership is never going to be a league winning CB partnership. Unfortunately neither of them possess the organisation skills of Carra say. Could be worthwhile if right money could be got for him.

Coates - Not sure about this one, think he hasnt had a fair crack of the whip really.... But I cant see Rodgers changing his mind on this one.

Borini - Unfortunately has had an awful season with luck, but even in the glimpses we have seen he hasnt had that top notch quality we need. Best to get him off the books and get some wages for someone who can put the ball in the net more often.

Shelvey - Ok, I for one like Shelvey, but to be honest I dont really know if he will get much game time next year if we do buy the targets mooted. He doesnt get game time as it is. Hes a good young player but Im not sure if he will ever be top notch.

Allen - I'd possibly sell him, he certainly isnt the Welsh Xavi we were led to believe! But then I'd give him another season, players who can pass and retain possesion (although thats been questionable this season) are what we need.

Assaidi - Looks as though this is in the pipeline anyhow.

Then a few of the fringe players such a:

Flanagan
Pacheco
Robinson
Spearing
Wilson

 

[Glen C]

What a load of bollox.
This isn't football manager on your handheld.

Wouldn't know never played it. Just don't rate those players its pretty simple really. Not bollox, just a different opinion than your own. You wanna keep them thats good for you, but personally i think most of those players are average at best.