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Carra was not at fault for the goal. If agger wasn't playing everyone onside then the pass to milner wouldn't have been available.
Agger then had the audacity to call for offside giving dzeko the time to abuse the space agger thought fit to leave him.
It's simply a question of marking players.
Agger then had the audacity to call for offside giving dzeko the time to abuse the space agger thought fit to leave him.
It's simply a question of marking players.
This is all largely bollocks. Honestly Insig, sometimes I wonder if you're living in a parallel universe. Man Utd? Safe, defensive style? Utd have been shipping goals for fun this season, and are on course to concede the most goals of a Premier League winning team in history. (That's a record that Ferguson already holds, by the way.) As for the assertion that they are largely unaffected by the absence of, say, Vidic, well, that's not true either.
United concede an average of 0.71 goals per game when Vidic plays, and 0.99 goals when he doesn't. Over the course of a season, Utd are therefore likely to concede around 10 goals more if Vidic isn't playing. They also have a win percentage of 74% when he plays, compared to 67% when he doesn't. If I was an opposing manager, I'd find that quite encouraging. Even if we ignore the stats and use our brains, we would tend to come to the conclusion that Utd without Vidic is generally more appealing.
As things stand, we have conceded just one more goal than (the superbly organised, safe, defensive unit that is) Utd this season. The reason Utd get away with such an average defensive record is because they have an annoying habit of scoring more goals than the other team. That's not a luxury we can depend upon at the moment, so not conceding goals is a little more important to us.
Don't let facts get in the way of your Ferguson love-in, though.
You cant look yourself blind on one season. United has been brilliant defensive unit for a decade, and you take one single season out and use as proof?
So you meant historically, did you? Only you referred to United hardly conceding when they have to field Evra, Smalling, or Evans (all very current players) at centre back. Perhaps that threw me.
Whatever the case, the fact remains that United are not, and never have been, a safe, defensive team. They've always been a very attacking team, with very good defenders, and a complementary central pairing. Something which we've not had since Hyypia was here.
Whatever the case, the fact remains that United are not, and never have been, a safe, defensive team. They've always been a very attacking team, with very good defenders, and a complementary central pairing. Something which we've not had since Hyypia was here.
Do you know what "Grinds My Gears" in a total Peter Griffin sort of way?
"BALL PLAYING CENTRE BACKS".
What the fuck happened to "defending centre backs?".
Just so your fucking job - defend - I don't care if once every 5 years you can prance forward and launch a rocket into the top left corner - it matters not if you can't defend.
I don't care if you can ping a ball precisely sideways along HHS back four - I want you to be able to pass it to a more gifted attacking player a few yards in front of you.
You're a defender - I expect you to battle to win every header - to tackle with conviction - to do whatever it takes to be tight at the back.
And that's our problem. When we talk about defenders being technically good, it's about their technical skills put with defending being good.
The things that made Hyppia & Henchoz & Hyppia & Carragher so good had nothing to do with their ability on the ball - it was because no one was getting any change out of them as defenders.
And that's we're we've gone wrong - Neither Skrtel or Agger are dominant & Carragher is at the wrong end of his career.
"BALL PLAYING CENTRE BACKS".
What the fuck happened to "defending centre backs?".
Just so your fucking job - defend - I don't care if once every 5 years you can prance forward and launch a rocket into the top left corner - it matters not if you can't defend.
I don't care if you can ping a ball precisely sideways along HHS back four - I want you to be able to pass it to a more gifted attacking player a few yards in front of you.
You're a defender - I expect you to battle to win every header - to tackle with conviction - to do whatever it takes to be tight at the back.
And that's our problem. When we talk about defenders being technically good, it's about their technical skills put with defending being good.
The things that made Hyppia & Henchoz & Hyppia & Carragher so good had nothing to do with their ability on the ball - it was because no one was getting any change out of them as defenders.
And that's we're we've gone wrong - Neither Skrtel or Agger are dominant & Carragher is at the wrong end of his career.
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You must've despised ol Hansen eh?
Whether you like the concept of ball playing CBs or not doesn't change the fact they are here to stay. If you want a ball possessing team it starts from the back.
The Ball playing CBs in the game today would look well out of place in a low league team as they'd simply struggle to make a physical presence and their qualities would make no difference in a team relying only on power and grit.
Whether you like the concept of ball playing CBs or not doesn't change the fact they are here to stay. If you want a ball possessing team it starts from the back.
The Ball playing CBs in the game today would look well out of place in a low league team as they'd simply struggle to make a physical presence and their qualities would make no difference in a team relying only on power and grit.
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the_khl
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The basics have changed. And they can defend its not just their only treat. I am not saying all is good as we all can see, but its the future.
Hansen would've struggled at Chesterfield back then too. At least he wouldnt have been able to play to his strengths. Imo.
Hansen would've struggled at Chesterfield back then too. At least he wouldnt have been able to play to his strengths. Imo.
Hansen was also an excellent defender. Stevie is absolutely right. Technical ability is a luxury for a defender. Defending should be a prerequisite.
Tell the class
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the_khl
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Yes. And Agger and Skrtel can defend. They are not in the same league as Sami but have other traits to their game that Sami hadn't.
Its a balance and though Im not saying they've got it right it's surely the way the game is heading. Defending alone doesnt make it for a defender this day and age. Same goes for a striker, he also needs to cover more ground and participate in the defensive part of the game.
Modo is adamant about Downing's cuntiness?
Modo is an agenda driven cunt.
Well played
But it shouldn't be the main attribute
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the_khl
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One of the reasons why Sami was THAT good imo was also because he was very calm on the ball. Got that from playing so many years in Holland.
Yeah, but ones that give strikers a yard of space just a yard from goal are equally useless. Of course, we should just sell Skrtel though and let Agger dine on that West Ham goal for another few seasons. About once every six months we can all "ooh" when that Hollywood ball comes off.
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the_khl
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It was against Blackburn. Or was it Chelsea? Benfica?
Fair dos we understand you think Agger is an useless defender and all but at least give some credit where it's due.
A bit too obvious your agenda here lads. Fabio and Mark. The agenda brothers.
Fair dos we understand you think Agger is an useless defender and all but at least give some credit where it's due.
A bit too obvious your agenda here lads. Fabio and Mark. The agenda brothers.
We don't think he's useless though, I'm exaggerating for effect. He's overrated and I'm sick of having his so-called brilliance rammed down my throat with idiotic posts like that one right there about his goals (yes, brilliant that he's scored so few goals in 7 years, yet lives off them continuously). Like him living off reputation for a few years while being consistently injured. Now he's playing perhaps we're seeing the real deal in all it's glory.
Meanwhile you waste no time in telling us that we should sell Skrtel in the Summer to raise funds.
And I'VE got an agenda? Really?
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the_khl
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I think we should sell Skrtel. One have to go to make way for a commanding presence. I'd sell him.
How is that an agenda? I think he's good but not as good as Agger.
Simples.
How is that an agenda? I think he's good but not as good as Agger.
Simples.
He's also not Danish.
I think Agger is overrated and he's fucked up a fair few times lately to prove he's not quite as infallible as you make out. Amazing that you think Skrtel has a mistake in him every game and point out Agger as this God-send of a ball playing defender, while Skrtel's goals and forward play gets brushed under the carpet. And, of course, Agger's defensive lapses are papered over continuously by his exaggerated forward play. You honestly don't think you have an agenda? Seriously? Fucking hell.
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