If we are dropping defenders based on form then Dagger should be in the dugout next game. He has been woeful the last two. However if we drop Dagger we are left with Skrtel who hasn't been in the best form either.
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Just so you are aware Modo, everyone who read that post thought about typing this, we're just at different stages of giving up. Your comment was as predictable as it was ludicrous.
The fact is the future is definitely not Carragher, but it isn't Agger or Skrtel either.
So you're having support meetings?
What do you think this place is?
Well he could've tried playing Milner offside, like everyone else did. Or he could've tried not to lose Dzeko. Agger fucked up here. Plain and simple.
I'd agree Keni, tbh.
That is because our defence is afraid of carragher, and equate making a mistake in his presence to their life being ruined. When he isn't playing, our defence shows its true character which is a bunch of fucking fairies.
What we need is some brutish psychopath in goal to replace Reina, someone to be abusing them the entire game. And it works both ways, a keeper giving out that much abuse is never ever going to make a mistake just because of the shame and personal pride. For the time being Rodgers should continue bullying Skrtel. And carragher can also become a coach so he has the authority to ruin the lives of our defence in wholly new ways.
It was always OK, just not in the context of being an unreasonable asshole about it as part of a continuing and unflinching agenda. Not when paired with asking what Agger, who fucked up royally, could have done.
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Why are you defending some posters childish behaviour in this thread but feels the need to expose Modo whom actually offered a more balanced view than the haters anyways?
Weird and to be honest rather unreasonable. You are not having an agenda are you?
Weird and to be honest rather unreasonable. You are not having an agenda are you?
I'm not making it an agenda, you guys are.
I reacted to the match thread where pretty much EVERYONE blamed Agger alone for the goal.
So if Carra makes a mistake in the next game, am I allowed to mention it?
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No, the FUCK NO, Modo!!
Are you insane!?
Are you insane!?
It seems so.
I'm sorry, what is reasonable about "fuck off, what was Agger supposed to do?" How does that interject some balance?
The balanced view is that none of them have shown themselves to be particularly good consistently, none of them can claim to have cemented a place, that defensive errors are more exposed in this team because of our midfield as well, and that our coaching is contributorily negligent. Do you see how different that sounds from "fuck off, what was Agger supposed to do? The reason why you go from Carragher is past it to Carragher + 1 is precisely because they are all of a muchness, and Carragher has shown a bit of form.
The other part of this, which isn't entirely rational, but I do believe should be relevant, is that Carragher, whatever his faults, wants, more than any supporter, for Liverpool to enjoy success. He's a dying breed. You can criticize him all you like. Based on everything we've seen and heard from him, he's very realistic about his situation at the club, and his abilities, he knows Liverpool need to move beyond requiring him. He's never been high on himself, he's not a brilliant natural athlete even, but he has had confidence and has done a lot with sheer work rate and training. If Agger's ability met Carragher's drive you'd have a world class player.
Personally, though I never thought he was on the level of Hyppia, I find the end of his time at the club a little sad, as I will for Gerrard, even as I am under no illusions about what he can and can't do anymore. I really can't fathom the delight that Modo seems to take in denigrating him or his performance. So when Modo leaps in for the billionth time, this time to grasp at some weird straw, don't be shocked if it chafes a bit with some. So my agenda in a nutshell: a total incomprehension for why someone would be such an absolute cunt about Carragher over the years, while leaping to come to the defense of Agger, who may well become a footnote in this clubs history.
Don't pretend that Modo represents some reasonable critique of Carragher, it's become a caricature.
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I dont understand Modo 90% of the time either.
When I watched the comments flying in on here last, the anger towards a poster for daring to not agree, made me close 6CM down, not worth it trying to offer a balanced view the knifes were well out already.
Why it just annoyed me to see your defense of it all today blaming Modo even.
When I watched the comments flying in on here last, the anger towards a poster for daring to not agree, made me close 6CM down, not worth it trying to offer a balanced view the knifes were well out already.
Why it just annoyed me to see your defense of it all today blaming Modo even.
And his opinion just happens to sit nicely with you're own agenda.. Hmmmm.....
Agger was poor for the goal, I actually thought he played a blinder after that, but the damage was done. He played them onside and gave him a yard of space. All defenders make mistakes, as Skrtel has too and gotten it in the neck for it, Agger is equally culpable for fucking up occasionally.
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Agger looked poor for their first goal, and has generally been more prone to errors of late than normally.
Perhaps he can blame fatigue as he's not used to play this many games... 🙂
Anyways Carra and Agger will get the nod again as we as a team has looked the best under Rodgers during their three games, he's not going to jeopardize this as Agger's got an important part to play when we are on the ball. Is what I think at least.
Perhaps he can blame fatigue as he's not used to play this many games... 🙂
Anyways Carra and Agger will get the nod again as we as a team has looked the best under Rodgers during their three games, he's not going to jeopardize this as Agger's got an important part to play when we are on the ball. Is what I think at least.
My biggest issue with Agger this season has been the amount of times he has been beaten to a header by the man he is marking in one-on-one situations. He should be so much better in the air than he is.
I love you Fark.
If it is something he has it is talent. To get the best out of that talent is what is discussed i assume?
That goal against City is hard to blame on Agger. Johnosn let the man in on his inside. As a Fullback you want your opposition on the other side, not between you and the goal. From that moment, Carra needed to leave the space open to try to block the cross, and the cross was so inch perfect that it is stupid. A few inches out and Agger would have blocked it, a few inches in and Reina would have stopped it. Credit to the passer.
Interesting enough I would assume that all of Vermaelen, Agger and Skrtel would be regarded high on any managers wishlist for CDs. So it shows that defensive organisation is an art in itself. The one that masters this better than most is of course Demento. His teams works extremely hard as defensive units, and hardly let in goals even if they do play Evans, Smalling and even Evra as a CD. Don't tell me you believbe they are better material than Vermaelen, Agger or Skrtel. The teams defend as teams, and it doesn't matter to much if Vidic or Ferdinand is gone for a period. The team just continue to play its safe defensive style which is hard to break down.
i think you will find that Agger was the one playing them onside 😉
But when it comes to "should have been closer to his man" it is just stupid. Johnson lets his man in between himself and the goal and that is the crucial mistake here. It gives Carra no choice than trying to block that cross. And to say that the other CD should loose the eye on the ball, turn around and start looking for where Dzeko is just bullshit. When the situation occurs, and the central defence is split like that They have to try to limit the damage. Dzeko is given the advantage to make the moves based on what the defender who is allready moving does. What you are saying now is the same that you should single out one of the United defenders for not picking out Kuyt when Suarez drilled the rest of them.
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