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Carra??? Really???

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Bah.... BAH I SAY!

i'm never going to be swayed in my opinion of terry. Carvalho was easily their best defender for years and then he left and they started conceding more. Alex stepped up and it improved slightly, but next to ivanovic it looked shaky. So far next to luiz they look ok together, but still not a patch on what they were.
Terry jumps in optimistically and it pays off sometimes but it's a rash and naive move he's never shaken
 
Another player whose departure affected Terry was Makelele, who protected the whole back four very well indeed. IMO it's significant that Terry's never had such a player in front of him for England and has never looked as good at that level as he has for the Chavs.
 
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Another player whose departure affected Terry was Makelele, who protected the whole back four very well indeed. IMO it's significant that Terry's never had such a player in front of him for England and has never looked as good at that level as he has for the Chavs.
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Same can be said for Lampard, who wouldn't have scored half of what he did at Chelsea without him. And has always missed that type of teamate at International level.
 
Carra is in decline. That much is evidet. However, we don't have a suitable replacement for him at Liverpool. Cahill is good enough to be his direct replacement but until that actually happens, we're likely to persist with the old warhorse.
 
Like i have said for a while, its been obvious Carra is in decline and should not be starting as many games as he did last season. He has no pace and these days without pace teams will kill you. Hopefully we sign Cahill and then have a Cahill/Agger(if fit) CB pairing.
 
Carvalho made Terry look good thats all I have to say on that matter.
Same could be said about Sami and Carra but on a much much lesser level.
 
I dunno. There is a difference between a player making another player look good and two players complementing each other.
 
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I dunno. There is a difference between a player making another player look good and two players complementing each other.
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Definitely. I do agree that Hyypia and Carra did complement each other. But ever since Hyypia left Carra's game seems to have become worse and worse, I'm not saying that he's bad. It could be age, but Hyypia was the same age Carra is now during the last years of his LFC career.

Like I said "in a much much lesser level", there's no arguing that Hyypia was the better defender but I do think that he made Carra look a lot better. If it's any comfort Hyypia would probably make any defender look better.
 
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I dunno. There is a difference between a player making another player look good and two players complementing each other.
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Definitely. I do agree that Hyypia and Carra did complement each other. But ever since Hyypia left Carra's game seems to have become worse and worse, I'm not saying that he's bad. It could be age, but Hyypia was the same age Carra is now during the last years of his LFC career.

Like I said "in a much much lesser level", there's no arguing that Hyypia was the better defender but I do think that he made Carra look a lot better. If it's any comfort Hyypia would probably make any defender look better.
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Maybe. I can see why you would say that but I don't totally agree.

I don't think that there was any sudden decline in Carra specifically after Hyypia stopped playing regularly/left and I am not sure I would say Hyypia was definitely a much better defender in the true sense of the term. He was a better footballer though perhaps.

If there has been a decline I would argue it has as much to do with Carra not being part of a settled unit and having a regular partner - remember we lost Finnan and Riise around a similar kind of time and forming a partnership with a crock like Agger is far from easy - and later there was the lost of Mascherano too, which would have certainly impacted upon the defence.
 
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I dunno. There is a difference between a player making another player look good and two players complementing each other.
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Definitely. I do agree that Hyypia and Carra did complement each other. But ever since Hyypia left Carra's game seems to have become worse and worse, I'm not saying that he's bad. It could be age, but Hyypia was the same age Carra is now during the last years of his LFC career.

Like I said "in a much much lesser level", there's no arguing that Hyypia was the better defender but I do think that he made Carra look a lot better. If it's any comfort Hyypia would probably make any defender look better.
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Maybe. I can see why you would say that but I don't totally agree.

I don't think that there was any sudden decline in Carra specifically after Hyypia stopped playing regularly/left and I am not sure I would say Hyypia was definitely a much better defender in the true sense of the term. He was a better footballer though perhaps.

If there has been a decline I would argue it has as much to do with Carra not being part of a settled unit and having a regular partner - remember we lost Finnan and Riise around a similar kind of time and forming a partnership with a crock like Agger is far from easy - and later there was the lost of Mascherano too, which would have certainly impacted upon the defence.
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You've got a point.
 
To expand on that last point aswell, Carra's game is more about being alert and mopping up, while being able to put himself infront of anything thrown his way. Sami's game was always in the head, he read the game well, he anticipated danger early and snuffed it out, a trait probably learned by compensating for his own lack of pace and agility. So it was probably easy for him to carry that on into his 30's, whereas age makes it less feasible for Carra to throw himself infront of everything these days and to be as industrious as he was.
 
This season should be the one that transitions Carra from one of the first names on the team sheet to reliable back up player to be used when we know the defence will be under the cosh. Its not necessarily purely about his pace but that is a factor, he has lost whatever speed he had and while Sami was the same he could at least be relied upon to dominate any forward in the league from set pieces, Carra from set pieces is frequently way off and resorts more often than not to trying to put off his opponent than winning the ball. Added to that is the fact that, unless another centre half is bought then Skrtel is our most likely starting centre half and he and Carra dont compliment each other.

As for the back up, Kelly has been good at full back and for some reason people think that because he has the physique he will end up at centre back eventually, the problem is he has looked like a Sunday league player in every game he played this pre season in the centre. Aggers fitness is the key to the defence as it stands, if hes out Kelly/Carra/Skrtel cannot form a good paring between them. Defence is the real worry this season, I expect to see Wisdom get his chance to force his way into the managers plans, if he takes it then Carra may be phased out, if not and Agger maintains his dreadful injury record then I think we will see Carra being targeted by opposing teams and his lack of pace/movement

The inevitable downside of playing a defence that badly lacks pace is that they are forced to sit very deep and then this means either the midfield drops back to pick up the ball leaving the forward line isolated or if the midfield sits then the defence resorts to punting it long to bridge the distance, either way its not a desirable scenario
 
Sama:

It was even better that I went and partnered Jamie Carragher. He has helped me so much whenever I have been lucky enough to go and train at Melwood.

He is just a fantastic guy. On the bus on the way to the airport he came over to me and shook my hand. He said well done for making your first-team debut and asked me if I had taken my shirt with me.

I told him I didn't because I had gone back out onto the pitch to do a warm down and when I got back into the dressing room it had been picked up.

He told me I need to make sure I get it back and said he would help me! I haven't got it yet but I'll do my best to find it again. It's something I will treasure.

Carra is definitely someone to look up to and aspire to be like. He has been such an incredible defender for this club and I want to follow his example and one day get a chance to give everything for this team.
 
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