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...."Cries of despair"...
Pre-game I asked whether I was the only one missing Agger in the line-up because I really do as he is our most composed defender and we lack this a lot. I was then baffled to see a slightly above average Skrtel being lauded as "amazing", our best defender etc. seeing as how he also made a few big mistakes imo.
Rodgers for me is making a mistake with Agger and it annoys me as I want to see our best players week in week out when fit. It's not like our defense has been great the past five games is it? I don't buy his argument that the rest are playing so great he can't get his place back. He has put himself under extreme pressure buying a marquee £17M CB, signing Toure as well as keeping hold on Skrtel. That is also why we are suddenly playing a different formation with a far more direct approach imo, as he's looking slightly clueless. He has put a lot of pressure on himself due to another perhaps rather failed Summer transfer window.
Maybe I am wrong. I hope I am wrong. I also hope we do cash in on Agger come Jan if he's now seen as our 4th choice CB.
It's prompting debate though Macca.
Someone else might think agger could do well there.
If people want to answer a question and give a reason why, then who are you to decide that they shouldn't because the question is daft?
Agger has played at left back before, Allen (as far as I know) hasn't played right wing. Nor are we short on decent right wingers to consider Allen there.
I prefer the cheerful Macca!
Few of our players weren't crap during that time. Agger was no worse than most of the rest and has never looked that bad to me when he played LB.
That said, he's a CB - a darn good one when he's fit and in form - and we have better options for LB, whether or not they're perfect in themselves.
I think Enrique is by far the best player at lb for us.
And I have no problem with you saying so.
I do have a problem with you telling everyone that it's a stupid topic and we shouldn't discuss it.
If they want to, they can. You don't have to read them.
Why do you get pissy with people who disagree with you? It is allowed you know.
I've not swore or been offensive, yet you come back with the daft twat nonsense.
All I said was if people want to discuss agger at left back... Ignore them. Don't quote them. If it's a topic that infuriates you (which it Evidently does), why bother?
Agger doesn't have the legs for the wing back position Gary, and I'd rather play Cissokho there. If we went to 4 at the back then I'd still be dubious.
For all of his "terrible" forward play, he's set up one chance that hit the bar and had a hand in the Suarez bullet header. Not bad for terrible support play.
He's not 4th choice though is he? People are so fickle at times. 6 months ago you had Skrtel as finished and was made up about it because you know, he "wasn't good enough for a big club". 3 months ago a load of people had written Toure (League title winner with two different English clubs) as a "terrible" player who should only be a last resort - now he's our best defender. Sakho was flapping all over the place for his first game in a new country and a few posters have decided to stick to their initial reservations, others think he's the bees knees.
Like I said, they're much of a muchness, one of them might stand out eventually, consistently enough to stamp their authority on the side, in the meantime we'll continue to see the merry-go-round, based on fitness and form, 4 players fighting for three places. As soon as one of the them drops out, they'll more or less have to wait until one of the others gets injured/suspended, because breaking back in is difficult because they're fighting against similar standard players. No one is a cut above the rest, it's deciding which three compliment each other best which is the key and it'll be a reward of who stay fit longest.
The good grace most of us have got is recognising that the fall guy is missing out because the other three have established themselves enough in his absence, it's not devastating if one of them misses out, as long as the results are there, which they have been regardless of who plays. So it shouldn't be seen as a reason to champion your leanings, or become scathing because of who's absent - who really gives a fuck about anything other than the results?
If either Skrtel or Agger were top, top drawer they'd been walking into the team, as it is, they're both 28 and are in and out the side. Go figure.
I thought people just based all of their opinions on the most recent game?
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger hints at Anfeld exit
Liverpool vice-captain considers leaving Anfield after Denmark international struggles to make Brendan Rodgers's starting XI
By John Percy
10:30PM GMT 28 Oct 2013
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has admitted he will consider leaving Anfield in January if he fails to regain his place.
Barcelona and Arsenal could offer the Denmark international a potential escape route when the transfer window opens next year after the 28-year-old hinted for the first time at his growing frustration on the sidelines.
Agger has only started four Premier League games this season and only played 23 minutes as a substitute this month after Brendan Rodgers opted for a three-man defence comprising Martin Skrtel and summer signings Kolo Touré and Mamadou Sakho.
Rodgers rejected a £14.6 million bid from Barcelona for his vice-captain in August but Agger's future on Merseyside has been cast into fresh doubt after he conceded he could quit in the New Year.
He said: "If I don't play, and if the manager doesn't think I am good enough, that could make me leave Liverpool.
"I'm here to play football, nothing else. So if I don't play football, then I don't want to be here anymore."
Agger, a £6m signing from Brondby in 2006, had vowed to fight for his place earlier this month after returning from international duty but he has been an unused substitute in Liverpool's last two league games.
His absence from Rodgers's starting XI has been even more surprising after the impressive form of Skrtel, who had been cleared to leave Liverpool in the summer.
Skrtel was widely expected to leave but has since emerged as a key figure in Liverpool's reshaped defence, with Rodgers admitting that the Slovakian's performances could mean further frustration for Agger.
"I’ve always tried to show my fairness with players. People say ‘you don’t like this player’ or ‘you don’t like that player’ but it’s about performance level," said Rodgers.
"If you are playing well you’ll play. If you’re not you’ll be in and out of the team. I’ve got an international captain [Agger] sitting on the bench but that’s because I like to think I’m fair and if people are playing well they play. Martin has been outstanding.
"I think in the run of games he’s had he’s gained confidence and that’s meant I’ve acknowledged and recognised that he’s playing at a really good level."
Liverpool vice-captain considers leaving Anfield after Denmark international struggles to make Brendan Rodgers's starting XI
By John Percy
10:30PM GMT 28 Oct 2013
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has admitted he will consider leaving Anfield in January if he fails to regain his place.
Barcelona and Arsenal could offer the Denmark international a potential escape route when the transfer window opens next year after the 28-year-old hinted for the first time at his growing frustration on the sidelines.
Agger has only started four Premier League games this season and only played 23 minutes as a substitute this month after Brendan Rodgers opted for a three-man defence comprising Martin Skrtel and summer signings Kolo Touré and Mamadou Sakho.
Rodgers rejected a £14.6 million bid from Barcelona for his vice-captain in August but Agger's future on Merseyside has been cast into fresh doubt after he conceded he could quit in the New Year.
He said: "If I don't play, and if the manager doesn't think I am good enough, that could make me leave Liverpool.
"I'm here to play football, nothing else. So if I don't play football, then I don't want to be here anymore."
Agger, a £6m signing from Brondby in 2006, had vowed to fight for his place earlier this month after returning from international duty but he has been an unused substitute in Liverpool's last two league games.
His absence from Rodgers's starting XI has been even more surprising after the impressive form of Skrtel, who had been cleared to leave Liverpool in the summer.
Skrtel was widely expected to leave but has since emerged as a key figure in Liverpool's reshaped defence, with Rodgers admitting that the Slovakian's performances could mean further frustration for Agger.
"I’ve always tried to show my fairness with players. People say ‘you don’t like this player’ or ‘you don’t like that player’ but it’s about performance level," said Rodgers.
"If you are playing well you’ll play. If you’re not you’ll be in and out of the team. I’ve got an international captain [Agger] sitting on the bench but that’s because I like to think I’m fair and if people are playing well they play. Martin has been outstanding.
"I think in the run of games he’s had he’s gained confidence and that’s meant I’ve acknowledged and recognised that he’s playing at a really good level."
I said I didn't think talking about Agger as a LB was very interesting. That was it. It is allowed you know. I moved on and got on with some work in the real world. It's only you who tried to turn that into an international violation of human rights.
And if you honestly felt aggrieved about it, rather than just wanted to strain a few more posts out of a tired thread on a quiet day, well then: "ignore me. Don't quote me. If it's a topic that infuriates you (which it Evidently does), why bother?"
As a wum, you must try harder. But don't. There's a dear.
Kris,
Do you honestly think Brendan thinks he might have had a failed window?
Sitting second in the league and you think we've had a failed window? Really?
I know there were some players that we wanted and didn't get but the window is about putting a better team on the pitch than we finished last season with. We've done that so it's going to take a lot to make me view the window as a failure.
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Do you honestly think Brendan thinks he might have had a failed window?
Sitting second in the league and you think we've had a failed window? Really?
I know there were some players that we wanted and didn't get but the window is about putting a better team on the pitch than we finished last season with. We've done that so it's going to take a lot to make me view the window as a failure.
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He has said the same thing before, a couple of years ago I think. I would prefer players to shut up and show they're up to the challenge, he could do with looking at his mate Martin to see how it's done. Maybe he's gone stale and could do with a move but I thought he was a guaranteed starter being made vice captain, obviously not though, Rodgers is the anti Rafa he loves a settled team.
Rodgers does change things around, but usually in a slow and deliberate way. When he decides to give someone a chance, he doesn't drop them after one poor performance, but usually gives them a "window" of at least several games to show their worth. But once the "window" is closed and the player didn't make the team, he might have to wait for a long time to get the next opportunity. We saw this very recently with Aspas and now, I'm afraid, Moses's "window" might have closed too.
I think that's also why Rodgers is somewhat slower than some of us would like to give certain players a chance. He wants the same rules for everybody, so how can he explain to a young player if he starts him for one odd game somewhere and then immediately drops them in favor of a senior player even if they do well? No matter what the coach says, that can mess up their head and confidence. So normally Rodgers gives a player a chance to start only when he is prepared to be patient with them and give them at least a few games to show why they should be starting.
I think Sakho would have had to wait some time for his chance if not for Agger's freak injury. Now that all 3 CBs are performing reasonably well, it's Agger's turn to wait. It might be frustrating for players to be in that situation, but overall I think it's great for the dressing room morale when the players see that the boss has a clear and consistent selection policy.
I think that's also why Rodgers is somewhat slower than some of us would like to give certain players a chance. He wants the same rules for everybody, so how can he explain to a young player if he starts him for one odd game somewhere and then immediately drops them in favor of a senior player even if they do well? No matter what the coach says, that can mess up their head and confidence. So normally Rodgers gives a player a chance to start only when he is prepared to be patient with them and give them at least a few games to show why they should be starting.
I think Sakho would have had to wait some time for his chance if not for Agger's freak injury. Now that all 3 CBs are performing reasonably well, it's Agger's turn to wait. It might be frustrating for players to be in that situation, but overall I think it's great for the dressing room morale when the players see that the boss has a clear and consistent selection policy.
I'm a mod. It's my job to stop people being titty. Yours isn't.
So yeah. If you could be less superior and stop assuming people who disagree with you are wind up merchants (heaven forbid they disagree with the great and powerful macca), then that'd be super. There's a lamb.
What's your reason Mr. O?
Isn't obvious LTW, it's because he's the Ryan. Knower of all things football related.
Seriously though, we have a massive pile up of games up ahead. He's obviously going to start a few of them.
Or he read Agger's tweet:
Agger has moved quickly to reassure fans that he is happy at Anfield and does not want to move on.
He tweeted: "Please stop all the tweets about me leaving! I'm not going anywhere! Will be back in the team soon."
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