Poll would you drop carra?
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Agger - never it for more than half a season , Coates new to the league.
I don't yank you could drop him even if you wanted to.
On top of that though bar giving away a silly peno I'm not entirely sure what he's done to deserve being dropped .
He didn't give the gooners a sniff all game and wasn't that bad against bolton.
He's not ready for the knacker yard. I suppose it helps that football , for the past 20 years and more seriously so in the prem in the last ten has become a squad game - that should give him a bit of added longevity.
Personally I think he'll knownhimself when Its time to call it a day so I don't think we need to worry about him too much
I don't yank you could drop him even if you wanted to.
On top of that though bar giving away a silly peno I'm not entirely sure what he's done to deserve being dropped .
He didn't give the gooners a sniff all game and wasn't that bad against bolton.
He's not ready for the knacker yard. I suppose it helps that football , for the past 20 years and more seriously so in the prem in the last ten has become a squad game - that should give him a bit of added longevity.
Personally I think he'll knownhimself when Its time to call it a day so I don't think we need to worry about him too much
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1398854#msg1398854 date=1315993211]
People keep missing the point entirely about why alot of us are aggrieved. The people who are pissed off about it have mostly said that yes, he's getting on a bit and we need to look at the future and begin the process of easing another player in. No problems there. The issue for me is that it's the likes of Modo and Neil who are the quickest to advocate it, when they're the ones who've oft been quickest to label him a hoof merchant. Quick to dismiss gritty all action defenders but too eager and too rose-tinted when it comes to players who are a bit more elegant. There's room for both at the end of the day. And it just about says it all that my pointing out Agger's part in the 'fuck up' went largely overlooked. Watch it again.
It does dismay me that the poll is so high, as said earlier, it's a load of Championship Manager nonsense at times on here.
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Is he saying that he's pissed off because it's Neil and me who are suggesting it?
Or are you pissed because of the fact that I warned about Carragher possibly costing us points after the mistake against Bolton and it came true?
I don't mean to be a dick, and I'm not here to troll. I'm just sharing my opinion like everyone else.
What I said about Carra after the Bolton game was exactly how I felt afterwards. But it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction, it was something that I'd felt for about a year.
It's not like I was hoping Carra would make a mistake during the Stoke game.
Plus, I really don't get the whole "bullying other posters into agreeing with you" thing. Am I the only one seeing this?
People keep missing the point entirely about why alot of us are aggrieved. The people who are pissed off about it have mostly said that yes, he's getting on a bit and we need to look at the future and begin the process of easing another player in. No problems there. The issue for me is that it's the likes of Modo and Neil who are the quickest to advocate it, when they're the ones who've oft been quickest to label him a hoof merchant. Quick to dismiss gritty all action defenders but too eager and too rose-tinted when it comes to players who are a bit more elegant. There's room for both at the end of the day. And it just about says it all that my pointing out Agger's part in the 'fuck up' went largely overlooked. Watch it again.
It does dismay me that the poll is so high, as said earlier, it's a load of Championship Manager nonsense at times on here.
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Is he saying that he's pissed off because it's Neil and me who are suggesting it?
Or are you pissed because of the fact that I warned about Carragher possibly costing us points after the mistake against Bolton and it came true?
I don't mean to be a dick, and I'm not here to troll. I'm just sharing my opinion like everyone else.
What I said about Carra after the Bolton game was exactly how I felt afterwards. But it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction, it was something that I'd felt for about a year.
It's not like I was hoping Carra would make a mistake during the Stoke game.
Plus, I really don't get the whole "bullying other posters into agreeing with you" thing. Am I the only one seeing this?
Like I said, one mistake and you're there saying I told you so. You were going on about Flannagan the other day, he's what? 18?
Carra's made two errors granted, but over the course of a season he saves us more often than not. When he went off at White Hart Lane last season it lost us the game, FACT. So it works both ways. When Skrtel went off against Chelsea in the CL it cost us the game. These things seem to get conveniently overlooked, but they make an error and the usual suspects are there waiting to pounce.
Like I said, all defenders make mistakes, Rio does it, John Terry does it, it's what you do the rest of the time that counts and the proportion of good vs not so good, if this became a trend (and yeah, it's possible due to his decline that it might be) then we should try something new, but we're four games in. His mistake against Bolton ultimately wasn't costly and was at a stage of the game where he could be excused for not being completly at his best. The mistake against Stoke cost us, but so did Suarez' miss, so did Charlie Adam's poor passing and so did Agger's positioning for the goal. All players make mistakes.
Carra's made two errors granted, but over the course of a season he saves us more often than not. When he went off at White Hart Lane last season it lost us the game, FACT. So it works both ways. When Skrtel went off against Chelsea in the CL it cost us the game. These things seem to get conveniently overlooked, but they make an error and the usual suspects are there waiting to pounce.
Like I said, all defenders make mistakes, Rio does it, John Terry does it, it's what you do the rest of the time that counts and the proportion of good vs not so good, if this became a trend (and yeah, it's possible due to his decline that it might be) then we should try something new, but we're four games in. His mistake against Bolton ultimately wasn't costly and was at a stage of the game where he could be excused for not being completly at his best. The mistake against Stoke cost us, but so did Suarez' miss, so did Charlie Adam's poor passing and so did Agger's positioning for the goal. All players make mistakes.
The way that the majority in here are so extreme in their views reminds me of the downing thread a month ago.
No he shouldn't be dropped outirght but it's a squad game and ultimately we can afford too many mistakes , if only playing half the games this season gives him some added longevity and adds further to his gritty determination then so be it.
However at this juncture , dropping him against spurs , everton or utd in the next match would be extremely folly- and I'm 100% sure the king will be of the same opinion on that matter.
No he shouldn't be dropped outirght but it's a squad game and ultimately we can afford too many mistakes , if only playing half the games this season gives him some added longevity and adds further to his gritty determination then so be it.
However at this juncture , dropping him against spurs , everton or utd in the next match would be extremely folly- and I'm 100% sure the king will be of the same opinion on that matter.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1398854#msg1398854 date=1315993211]
People keep missing the point entirely about why alot of us are aggrieved. The people who are pissed off about it have mostly said that yes, he's getting on a bit and we need to look at the future and begin the process of easing another player in. No problems there. The issue for me is that it's the likes of Modo and Neil who are the quickest to advocate it, when they're the ones who've oft been quickest to label him a hoof merchant. Quick to dismiss gritty all action defenders but too eager and too rose-tinted when it comes to players who are a bit more elegant. There's room for both at the end of the day. And it just about says it all that my pointing out Agger's part in the 'fuck up' went largely overlooked. Watch it again.
It does dismay me that the poll is so high, as said earlier, it's a load of Championship Manager nonsense at times on here.
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I'm not going to apologise for wanting a defender to pass it along the ground, ffs the goal came about because carra hoofed it upfield (to no one) and the ball came staight back with carra dragging down the stoke attacker. I also think it is hilarious that carra think his best assest is his passing. excuse me, what? carra is a top defender and a legend but I want him and any other defender who plays for us to pass it along the ground.
as for agger's fuck up, I've watched it again and agger challenges for the ball and is beaten but carra is still yards deeper than he should be, if he were in line with enrique then the stoke attacker would be offside, simple as.
People keep missing the point entirely about why alot of us are aggrieved. The people who are pissed off about it have mostly said that yes, he's getting on a bit and we need to look at the future and begin the process of easing another player in. No problems there. The issue for me is that it's the likes of Modo and Neil who are the quickest to advocate it, when they're the ones who've oft been quickest to label him a hoof merchant. Quick to dismiss gritty all action defenders but too eager and too rose-tinted when it comes to players who are a bit more elegant. There's room for both at the end of the day. And it just about says it all that my pointing out Agger's part in the 'fuck up' went largely overlooked. Watch it again.
It does dismay me that the poll is so high, as said earlier, it's a load of Championship Manager nonsense at times on here.
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I'm not going to apologise for wanting a defender to pass it along the ground, ffs the goal came about because carra hoofed it upfield (to no one) and the ball came staight back with carra dragging down the stoke attacker. I also think it is hilarious that carra think his best assest is his passing. excuse me, what? carra is a top defender and a legend but I want him and any other defender who plays for us to pass it along the ground.
as for agger's fuck up, I've watched it again and agger challenges for the ball and is beaten but carra is still yards deeper than he should be, if he were in line with enrique then the stoke attacker would be offside, simple as.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1398862#msg1398862 date=1315994345]
Like I said, one mistake and you're there saying I told you so. You were going on about Flannagan the other day, he's what? 18?
Carra's made two errors granted, but over the course of a season he saves us more often than not. When he went off at White Hart Lane last season it lost us the game, FACT. So it works both ways. When Skrtel went off against Chelsea in the CL it cost us the game. These things seem to get conveniently overlooked, but they make an error and the usual suspects are there waiting to pounce.
Like I said, all defenders make mistakes, Rio does it, John Terry does it, it's what you do the rest of the time that counts and the proportion of good vs not so good, if this became a trend (and yeah, it's possible due to his decline that it might be) then we should try something new, but we're four games in. His mistake against Bolton ultimately wasn't costly and was at a stage of the game where he could be excused for not being completly at his best. The mistake against Stoke cost us, but so did Suarez' miss, so did Charlie Adam's poor passing and so did Agger's positioning for the goal. All players make mistakes.
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I have to say that despite Suarez miss, Adams passing and Henderson's triple miss, ultimately we lost the game because Stoke got a penalty and parked the bus afterwards. We got more desperate as the game progressed.
I really don't want to get into to details, I admit that mentioning the own goals in the other thread was a low-blow but basically it's his overall game that bothers me the most now, mostly his distribution. We saw tendencies of that last season whenever Carroll was on the pitch.
Anyway, when push comes to shove, if you'd ask me who should replace Carra it would be too hard to answer because I don't have a clear choice in my mind, well except Cahill 😉.
But I like the idea of playing Coates and Skrtel against Brighton. That'll give us an idea of who is better suited to play with Agger. A defensive pair of Agger and Skrtel doesn't really fill me with much confidence and pitting a 20 year old Uruguayan, who arrived yesterday, against Adebayor and Defoe is a bit "riskay".
Nevertheless it's time to start considering other options.
Like I said, one mistake and you're there saying I told you so. You were going on about Flannagan the other day, he's what? 18?
Carra's made two errors granted, but over the course of a season he saves us more often than not. When he went off at White Hart Lane last season it lost us the game, FACT. So it works both ways. When Skrtel went off against Chelsea in the CL it cost us the game. These things seem to get conveniently overlooked, but they make an error and the usual suspects are there waiting to pounce.
Like I said, all defenders make mistakes, Rio does it, John Terry does it, it's what you do the rest of the time that counts and the proportion of good vs not so good, if this became a trend (and yeah, it's possible due to his decline that it might be) then we should try something new, but we're four games in. His mistake against Bolton ultimately wasn't costly and was at a stage of the game where he could be excused for not being completly at his best. The mistake against Stoke cost us, but so did Suarez' miss, so did Charlie Adam's poor passing and so did Agger's positioning for the goal. All players make mistakes.
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I have to say that despite Suarez miss, Adams passing and Henderson's triple miss, ultimately we lost the game because Stoke got a penalty and parked the bus afterwards. We got more desperate as the game progressed.
I really don't want to get into to details, I admit that mentioning the own goals in the other thread was a low-blow but basically it's his overall game that bothers me the most now, mostly his distribution. We saw tendencies of that last season whenever Carroll was on the pitch.
Anyway, when push comes to shove, if you'd ask me who should replace Carra it would be too hard to answer because I don't have a clear choice in my mind, well except Cahill 😉.
But I like the idea of playing Coates and Skrtel against Brighton. That'll give us an idea of who is better suited to play with Agger. A defensive pair of Agger and Skrtel doesn't really fill me with much confidence and pitting a 20 year old Uruguayan, who arrived yesterday, against Adebayor and Defoe is a bit "riskay".
Nevertheless it's time to start considering other options.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398857#msg1398857 date=1315993414]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46831.msg1398850#msg1398850 date=1315992493]
I haven't posted in this topic because left brain and right brain are having an argument about it.
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Hahaha, you da man.
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I wouldn't be surprised if his left brain and right brain were arguing about that too.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46831.msg1398850#msg1398850 date=1315992493]
I haven't posted in this topic because left brain and right brain are having an argument about it.
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Hahaha, you da man.
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I wouldn't be surprised if his left brain and right brain were arguing about that too.
How will it do that? Surely playing Coates or Skrtel with Agger would be a better indicator wouldn't it?
In any case, I still don't especially like this assumption that it should be Agger plus another. He still has not proved his long term fitness and given that he has played every league game this season, if there are defensive frailties there (not really convinced there are to be honest) then for me he would be as culpable as anyone else.
On a more general note about the Stoke game, I personally am more concerned that our millions of pounds worth of attacking players couldn't muster a single goal between them rather than the fact we conceded one goal.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46831.msg1398878#msg1398878 date=1315995931]
How will it do that? Surely playing Coates or Skrtel with Agger would be a better indicator wouldn't it?
In any case, I still don't especially like this assumption that it should be Agger plus another. He still has not proved his long term fitness and given that he has played every league game this season, if there are defensive frailties there (not really convinced there are to be honest) then for me he would be as culpable as anyone else.
On a more general note about the Stoke game, I personally am more concerned that our millions of pounds worth of attacking players couldn't muster a single goal between them rather than the fact we conceded one goal.
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THIS!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^
The best central defences are based on strong partnerships - evaluating players individually only gets you so far. Look at Sami with Henchoz.... is SH getting into the best LFC defenders of all time? Nope. Is he getting in on the basis of one of the best partnerships? Deffo. Oh yeah, and the ability to stay fit, and not gob off at the manager in his home press might also be noted by Danny Agger bumdars
How will it do that? Surely playing Coates or Skrtel with Agger would be a better indicator wouldn't it?
In any case, I still don't especially like this assumption that it should be Agger plus another. He still has not proved his long term fitness and given that he has played every league game this season, if there are defensive frailties there (not really convinced there are to be honest) then for me he would be as culpable as anyone else.
On a more general note about the Stoke game, I personally am more concerned that our millions of pounds worth of attacking players couldn't muster a single goal between them rather than the fact we conceded one goal.
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THIS!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^
The best central defences are based on strong partnerships - evaluating players individually only gets you so far. Look at Sami with Henchoz.... is SH getting into the best LFC defenders of all time? Nope. Is he getting in on the basis of one of the best partnerships? Deffo. Oh yeah, and the ability to stay fit, and not gob off at the manager in his home press might also be noted by Danny Agger bumdars
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46831.msg1398855#msg1398855 date=1315993262]
There's no harm in planning for the future. We've done it loads of times and I fail to see why we shouldn't do it again
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You can plan for the future, but sometimes it's not worth it if it's taking away from the present. If Carra was out of the team for the season, we would do a lot worse than if he was in it.
Obviously we have to prepare for him not being part of the team, but that will be a slow process, especially given that we haven't bought a defender in a long time that comes close to him.
There's no harm in planning for the future. We've done it loads of times and I fail to see why we shouldn't do it again
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You can plan for the future, but sometimes it's not worth it if it's taking away from the present. If Carra was out of the team for the season, we would do a lot worse than if he was in it.
Obviously we have to prepare for him not being part of the team, but that will be a slow process, especially given that we haven't bought a defender in a long time that comes close to him.
I don't understand all these romantic and sentimental feeling about Carra here children. I really dont. Modern football is about fitness, skills, technique etc and all these bullshit about playing until you die isn't going to make us a better team.
If dropping Carra can make us a better team, fucking do it. Why fucking wait? Until he fucking make mistake every fucking week? Fucking hell.
What IF Coates can do a fucking good job replacing Carra and what IF his partnership with Agger benefits us straight away? I know its all IF's and BUT's but fucking hell if we don't fucking try we won't fucking know.
All these romantic in football have long gone just like what El Traitor said when he fucking leave us. So it is time for Carra to fucking sit on the bench and hope that whoever fucking replace him is better than him and benefit the team as a whole.
And we shouldn't wait until Carra makes mistake every fucking week before we take action. By then we will end in the same spot like last season or maybe worst.
If dropping Carra can make us a better team, fucking do it. Why fucking wait? Until he fucking make mistake every fucking week? Fucking hell.
What IF Coates can do a fucking good job replacing Carra and what IF his partnership with Agger benefits us straight away? I know its all IF's and BUT's but fucking hell if we don't fucking try we won't fucking know.
All these romantic in football have long gone just like what El Traitor said when he fucking leave us. So it is time for Carra to fucking sit on the bench and hope that whoever fucking replace him is better than him and benefit the team as a whole.
And we shouldn't wait until Carra makes mistake every fucking week before we take action. By then we will end in the same spot like last season or maybe worst.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398885#msg1398885 date=1315996745]
OK, play Agger and Coates during the first half. Sub Coates and play Skrtel in the 2nd half.
Equal opportunity.
I was thinking that Coates might need 90 minutes, and I don't think it's necessary to play Agger against Brighton.
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Its only necessary to play Agger if you intend (as suggested in your earlier post) on using the Brighton game as a kind of 'audition' to see who would partner Agger. In which case it would be very necessary wouldn't it? If they play an absolute blinder as a partnership then how would that tell you anything about which one should be playing in place of Carra? Or would you just ditch both Carra and Agger and keep both of them in?
OK, play Agger and Coates during the first half. Sub Coates and play Skrtel in the 2nd half.
Equal opportunity.
I was thinking that Coates might need 90 minutes, and I don't think it's necessary to play Agger against Brighton.
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Its only necessary to play Agger if you intend (as suggested in your earlier post) on using the Brighton game as a kind of 'audition' to see who would partner Agger. In which case it would be very necessary wouldn't it? If they play an absolute blinder as a partnership then how would that tell you anything about which one should be playing in place of Carra? Or would you just ditch both Carra and Agger and keep both of them in?
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398885#msg1398885 date=1315996745]
OK, play Agger and Coates during the first half. Sub Coates and play Skrtel in the 2nd half.
Equal opportunity.
I was thinking that Coates might need 90 minutes, and I don't think it's necessary to play Agger against Brighton.
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Its only necessary to play Agger if you intend (as suggested in your earlier post) on using the Brighton game as a kind of 'audition' to see who would partner Agger. In which case it would be very necessary wouldn't it? If they play an absolute blinder as a partnership then how would that tell you anything about which one should be playing in place of Carra? Or would you just ditch both Carra and Agger and keep both of them in?
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To be honest I just want to see more of Coates. I don't want Agger to get injured at Brighton.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398885#msg1398885 date=1315996745]
OK, play Agger and Coates during the first half. Sub Coates and play Skrtel in the 2nd half.
Equal opportunity.
I was thinking that Coates might need 90 minutes, and I don't think it's necessary to play Agger against Brighton.
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Its only necessary to play Agger if you intend (as suggested in your earlier post) on using the Brighton game as a kind of 'audition' to see who would partner Agger. In which case it would be very necessary wouldn't it? If they play an absolute blinder as a partnership then how would that tell you anything about which one should be playing in place of Carra? Or would you just ditch both Carra and Agger and keep both of them in?
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To be honest I just want to see more of Coates. I don't want Agger to get injured at Brighton.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398894#msg1398894 date=1315998425]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46831.msg1398890#msg1398890 date=1315997985]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398885#msg1398885 date=1315996745]
OK, play Agger and Coates during the first half. Sub Coates and play Skrtel in the 2nd half.
Equal opportunity.
I was thinking that Coates might need 90 minutes, and I don't think it's necessary to play Agger against Brighton.
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Its only necessary to play Agger if you intend (as suggested in your earlier post) on using the Brighton game as a kind of 'audition' to see who would partner Agger. In which case it would be very necessary wouldn't it? If they play an absolute blinder as a partnership then how would that tell you anything about which one should be playing in place of Carra? Or would you just ditch both Carra and Agger and keep both of them in?
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To be honest I just want to see more of Coates. I don't want Agger to get injured at Brighton.
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exactly, wrap agger in cotten wool and only wheel him out for league games.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46831.msg1398890#msg1398890 date=1315997985]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398885#msg1398885 date=1315996745]
OK, play Agger and Coates during the first half. Sub Coates and play Skrtel in the 2nd half.
Equal opportunity.
I was thinking that Coates might need 90 minutes, and I don't think it's necessary to play Agger against Brighton.
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Its only necessary to play Agger if you intend (as suggested in your earlier post) on using the Brighton game as a kind of 'audition' to see who would partner Agger. In which case it would be very necessary wouldn't it? If they play an absolute blinder as a partnership then how would that tell you anything about which one should be playing in place of Carra? Or would you just ditch both Carra and Agger and keep both of them in?
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To be honest I just want to see more of Coates. I don't want Agger to get injured at Brighton.
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exactly, wrap agger in cotten wool and only wheel him out for league games.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46831.msg1398863#msg1398863 date=1315994365]
The way that the majority in here are so extreme in their views reminds me of the downing thread a month ago.
No he shouldn't be dropped outirght but it's a squad game and ultimately we can afford too many mistakes , if only playing half the games this season gives him some added longevity and adds further to his gritty determination then so be it.
However at this juncture , dropping him against spurs , everton or utd in the next match would be extremely folly- and I'm 100% sure the king will be of the same opinion on that matter.
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Yep, that about sums it up. If more people took this view I wouldn't have been despairing so much reading the thread.
The way that the majority in here are so extreme in their views reminds me of the downing thread a month ago.
No he shouldn't be dropped outirght but it's a squad game and ultimately we can afford too many mistakes , if only playing half the games this season gives him some added longevity and adds further to his gritty determination then so be it.
However at this juncture , dropping him against spurs , everton or utd in the next match would be extremely folly- and I'm 100% sure the king will be of the same opinion on that matter.
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Yep, that about sums it up. If more people took this view I wouldn't have been despairing so much reading the thread.
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398917#msg1398917 date=1316004757]
And you're the most arrogant, obtuse, know it all, "brendan wannabe" on this forum.
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Ryan doesn't call everybody a cunt though! 😉
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Ha, give him time.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1398917#msg1398917 date=1316004757]
And you're the most arrogant, obtuse, know it all, "brendan wannabe" on this forum.
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Ryan doesn't call everybody a cunt though! 😉
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Ha, give him time.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46831.msg1398847#msg1398847 date=1315992371]
That poll is a fucking disgrace.
As are some of the comments in this thread. I've tried not to post in this thread cos it's pissed me off so much, but I have to.
We'll see at the end of the season exactly what input Carra has to our season, but I bet it's a fucking big & fucking positive one.
Oh, & BTW, anyone who genuinely thinks putting in Coates against Spurs this weekend, & especially Everton in a couple of weeks, is a better option than Carra is completely mental.
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You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
That poll is a fucking disgrace.
As are some of the comments in this thread. I've tried not to post in this thread cos it's pissed me off so much, but I have to.
We'll see at the end of the season exactly what input Carra has to our season, but I bet it's a fucking big & fucking positive one.
Oh, & BTW, anyone who genuinely thinks putting in Coates against Spurs this weekend, & especially Everton in a couple of weeks, is a better option than Carra is completely mental.
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You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=46831.msg1398949#msg1398949 date=1316013911]
You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
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I really can't see how you've come to that conclusion Wilko.
You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
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I really can't see how you've come to that conclusion Wilko.
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=46831.msg1398949#msg1398949 date=1316013911]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46831.msg1398847#msg1398847 date=1315992371]
That poll is a fucking disgrace.
As are some of the comments in this thread. I've tried not to post in this thread cos it's pissed me off so much, but I have to.
We'll see at the end of the season exactly what input Carra has to our season, but I bet it's a fucking big & fucking positive one.
Oh, & BTW, anyone who genuinely thinks putting in Coates against Spurs this weekend, & especially Everton in a couple of weeks, is a better option than Carra is completely mental.
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You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
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Understand you completely, but I haven't expressed it in the same way you have.
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That poll is a fucking disgrace.
As are some of the comments in this thread. I've tried not to post in this thread cos it's pissed me off so much, but I have to.
We'll see at the end of the season exactly what input Carra has to our season, but I bet it's a fucking big & fucking positive one.
Oh, & BTW, anyone who genuinely thinks putting in Coates against Spurs this weekend, & especially Everton in a couple of weeks, is a better option than Carra is completely mental.
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You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
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Understand you completely, but I haven't expressed it in the same way you have.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1398854#msg1398854 date=1315993211]
People keep missing the point entirely about why alot of us are aggrieved. The people who are pissed off about it have mostly said that yes, he's getting on a bit and we need to look at the future and begin the process of easing another player in. No problems there. The issue for me is that it's the likes of Modo and Neil who are the quickest to advocate it, when they're the ones who've oft been quickest to label him a hoof merchant. Quick to dismiss gritty all action defenders but too eager and too rose-tinted when it comes to players who are a bit more elegant. There's room for both at the end of the day. And it just about says it all that my pointing out Agger's part in the 'fuck up' went largely overlooked. Watch it again.
It does dismay me that the poll is so high, as said earlier, it's a load of Championship Manager nonsense at times on here.
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Is he saying that he's pissed off because it's Neil and me who are suggesting it?
Or are you pissed because of the fact that I warned about Carragher possibly costing us points after the mistake against Bolton and it came true?
I don't mean to be a dick, and I'm not here to troll. I'm just sharing my opinion like everyone else.
What I said about Carra after the Bolton game was exactly how I felt afterwards. But it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction, it was something that I'd felt for about a year.
It's not like I was hoping Carra would make a mistake during the Stoke game.
Plus, I really don't get the whole "bullying other posters into agreeing with you" thing. Am I the only one seeing this?
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If you left out all the players who were likely to cost us points during the season from mistakes they made you wouldn't actually field a team.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1398854#msg1398854 date=1315993211]
People keep missing the point entirely about why alot of us are aggrieved. The people who are pissed off about it have mostly said that yes, he's getting on a bit and we need to look at the future and begin the process of easing another player in. No problems there. The issue for me is that it's the likes of Modo and Neil who are the quickest to advocate it, when they're the ones who've oft been quickest to label him a hoof merchant. Quick to dismiss gritty all action defenders but too eager and too rose-tinted when it comes to players who are a bit more elegant. There's room for both at the end of the day. And it just about says it all that my pointing out Agger's part in the 'fuck up' went largely overlooked. Watch it again.
It does dismay me that the poll is so high, as said earlier, it's a load of Championship Manager nonsense at times on here.
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Is he saying that he's pissed off because it's Neil and me who are suggesting it?
Or are you pissed because of the fact that I warned about Carragher possibly costing us points after the mistake against Bolton and it came true?
I don't mean to be a dick, and I'm not here to troll. I'm just sharing my opinion like everyone else.
What I said about Carra after the Bolton game was exactly how I felt afterwards. But it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction, it was something that I'd felt for about a year.
It's not like I was hoping Carra would make a mistake during the Stoke game.
Plus, I really don't get the whole "bullying other posters into agreeing with you" thing. Am I the only one seeing this?
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If you left out all the players who were likely to cost us points during the season from mistakes they made you wouldn't actually field a team.
The fact that I also mentioned that it's his overall game that bothers me most doesn't seem to matter, does it?
You know it's funny how I seem to be the one getting the heat, when over 60% voted that he should be dropped.
Have I been able to sway 53 posters to vote the same way I have?
You know it's funny how I seem to be the one getting the heat, when over 60% voted that he should be dropped.
Have I been able to sway 53 posters to vote the same way I have?
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The fact that I also mentioned that it's his overall game that bothers me most doesn't seem to matter, does it?
You know it's funny how I seem to be the one getting the heat, when over 60% voted that he should be dropped.
Have I been able to sway 53 posters to vote the same way I have?
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I don't know.
I always think judging a centre back by his distribution is the equivalent of judging a goalkeeper by their corner taking ability. And the reality is, and it's pretty fucking obvious time after time, is that we hoof when there are no options ahead of us.
And the other thing is any time I've ever had a look at the stats, such as back here: http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=36308.msg958879#msg958879
It turns out that the level of complaints massively overstate the problem.
You and others completely lack perspective on the issue. And fwiw Buddha and Vlad provided plenty much earlier in the thread.
The fact that I also mentioned that it's his overall game that bothers me most doesn't seem to matter, does it?
You know it's funny how I seem to be the one getting the heat, when over 60% voted that he should be dropped.
Have I been able to sway 53 posters to vote the same way I have?
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I don't know.
I always think judging a centre back by his distribution is the equivalent of judging a goalkeeper by their corner taking ability. And the reality is, and it's pretty fucking obvious time after time, is that we hoof when there are no options ahead of us.
And the other thing is any time I've ever had a look at the stats, such as back here: http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=36308.msg958879#msg958879
It turns out that the level of complaints massively overstate the problem.
You and others completely lack perspective on the issue. And fwiw Buddha and Vlad provided plenty much earlier in the thread.
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