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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46831.msg1397767#msg1397767 date=1315768900]
This doesn't have to become another polarised debate.
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So true. I'd imagine Modo has been doing his "if only we'd bought Gary Cahill" monologue? If so, then it justifies my reasons for "dropping him".
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46831.msg1397763#msg1397763 date=1315768752]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46831.msg1397759#msg1397759 date=1315768620]
He's not actually playing that badly, he's just made a couple of errors that certain people are only too willing to jump on..
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course they're willing to jump on the mistakes, the mistakes lead to goals one of which cost us a point, you make it sound like carra's mistakes resulted in corners or throw-ins.
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You can't lay all the blame onto Carra ffs! Did other players of ours not miss chances to score?

It's not that Carra should not ever be considered from being dropped (far from it), it's just the fact that certain posters have been waiting to piss all over Carra and now feel they have a valid excuse.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46831.msg1397767#msg1397767 date=1315768900]
This doesn't have to become another polarised debate.

Carra has taken a few games to reach his level for the past three seasons or so, and it seems again this year. I don't think anyone can argue against the fact that he's probably dropping a couple of percentage points off his best potential with every year that passes (same for most) and that he's a year closer to the inevitable day he'll not be first choice. Thing is, as he becomes less mobile/slower to react he won't have the luxury of being able to fall back upon a silky passing game or prodigious heading ability.

Given he's cost us in two games out of 4 so far it's surely perfectly reasonable to be questioning his place in the side for the next game, especially given we've got an extremely promising (and surprisingly experienced) young prospect to blood and an able deputy in Skrtel on the bench.

That said, I'd stick with Carra for now and assume he'll be back in the groove come mid-late september and go on to give us another commanding and inspiring season.

We shouldn;t be afraid to drop him though should the need arise.
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Yep. Top post.
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=46831.msg1397785#msg1397785 date=1315770561]
Able deputy in Skrtel??

You must be having a laugh
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ha ha
 
Yeah, the Skrtel that played most of the season where we achieved our highest Premiership points total (and finished 2nd). Some proper shit glee going on in this thread and a load of tainted bullshit.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1397788#msg1397788 date=1315770942]
Yeah, the Skrtel that played most of the season where we achieved our highest Premiership points total (and finished 2nd). Some proper shit glee going on in this thread and a load of tainted bullshit.
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Yes there is, but surely you expected that?

Some people have been keen to see the back of Carragher for a long time now. I mean, he doesn't quite fit into the mould does he? Not very fast, not great in the air, never really gets forward and not very glamorous, exotic name. Must have been such a fucking pain that he has always been so reliable, committed and, ultimately, such a good defender!

Well, he still is. I actually rate all of our defenders but none of them do I trust as much as I do Carra. Yes he makes the odd mistake, but don't all players?
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1397788#msg1397788 date=1315770942]
Yeah, the Skrtel that played most of the season where we achieved our highest Premiership points total (and finished 2nd). Some proper shit glee going on in this thread and a load of tainted bullshit.
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haha exactly. Skrtel's more than proved himself in the 3 and a half years he's been with us.

Had a few poor games, granted, but by and large he's a been a solid player and an underrated one at that.
 
Carra is still first choice for me, especially while Gerrard is out of the side. He's his own harshest critic and he'll bounce back from this of that I'm sure.

Nobody is undroppable but Carra has earned the respect Kenny has for him and i doubt the boss will panic on the back of this.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46831.msg1397791#msg1397791 date=1315771726]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46831.msg1397788#msg1397788 date=1315770942]
Yeah, the Skrtel that played most of the season where we achieved our highest Premiership points total (and finished 2nd). Some proper shit glee going on in this thread and a load of tainted bullshit.
[/quote]

Yes there is, but surely you expected that?

Some people have been keen to see the back of Carragher for a long time now. I mean, he doesn't quite fit into the mould does he? Not very fast, not great in the air, never really gets forward and not very glamorous, exotic name. Must have been such a fucking pain that he has always been so reliable, committed and, ultimately, such a good defender!

Well, he still is. I actually rate all of our defenders but none of them do I trust as much as I do Carra. Yes he makes the odd mistake, but don't all players?
[/quote]Im so glad for you and Mark in this thread.
Prawn sandwich eating neuveux superfan bus wankers everywhere.
Skrtel and Carragher have been our best two defenders for the past 3 years. But as you say, they dont occassionally march up the pitch and have a speculative shot from 35 yards......
This thread is making me fucking sick to be honest.

Able deputy - Ha ha ha being the lowpoint........actually just one of the many.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46831.msg1397798#msg1397798 date=1315773519]
Ha, you're the man Oncy
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Well he's certainly the only one name calling & having a hissy fit over other people having a differing opinion (an opinion which happens to be strongly in the majority as of this moment), rather than offering logical debate. I think most people are saying it's time to stop playing one of the three monkeys, look at Carra's age and indisputable drop off in performance and look at alternatives. Cover your eyes and scream blue murder if you want.


The only thing wrong with this, IMHO, is that the poll didn't offer a middle ground 'phasing in of a new CB' which is what I think Coates has been bought for. Probably most posters from both camps would have gone for that rather than being polarised into selecting one of the extremes.
 
it isn't time to drop him. it is time to have his kid sat in the stands next to a man with greased back hair and sunglasses, and to inform carragher that each time he hoofs the ball it will cost his kid a finger
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46831.msg1397801#msg1397801 date=1315774373]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46831.msg1397798#msg1397798 date=1315773519]
Ha, you're the man Oncy
[/quote]


Well he's certainly the only one name calling & having a hissy fit over other people having a differing opinion (an opinion which happens to be strongly in the majority as of this moment), rather than offering logical debate. I think most people are saying it's time to stop playing one of the three monkeys, look at Carra's age and indisputable drop off in performance and look at alternatives. Cover your eyes and scream blue murder if you want.


The only thing wrong with this, IMHO, is that the poll didn't offer a middle ground 'phasing in of a new CB' which is what I think Coates has been bought for. Probably most posters from both camps would have gone for that rather than being polarised into selecting one of the extremes.
[/quote]Im not having a hissy fit.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46831.msg1397797#msg1397797 date=1315772986]

Able deputy - Ha ha ha being the lowpoint........actually just one of the many.
[/quote]

Perhaps you're taking me out of context. The overall tone of my post was to keep faith in Carra, I was merely acknowledging that we have other options to "deputise" should the need arise, of whom Skrtel is "able".

And I'd have the lowpoint of the thread as this...

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46831.msg1397747#msg1397747 date=1315767553]

Oh you are a fan. Just a cunt too.
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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46831.msg1397813#msg1397813 date=1315777582]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46831.msg1397797#msg1397797 date=1315772986]

Able deputy - Ha ha ha being the lowpoint........actually just one of the many.
[/quote]

Perhaps you're taking me out of context. The overall tone of my post was to keep faith in Carra, I was merely acknowledging that we have other options to "deputise" should the need arise, of whom Skrtel is "able".

And I'd have the lowpoint of the thread as this...

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46831.msg1397747#msg1397747 date=1315767553]

Oh you are a fan. Just a cunt too.
[/quote]
[/quote]I think youve missunderstood me almost completely. I was agreeing with your point.
Hey Ho.
 
I voted 'No' on the basis that he is really the leader of the back line, and none of the other defenders have taken up that role yet. I can understand why most want to drop him with the mistakes he has made in the last two matches, and also his increasing age and the related loss of reaction, and pace that that means.
 
Would you drop Carrra?

If there is a better option ....absolutely, without question.

Then again that goes for any member of the team (or should do).

There is little place for sentiment in football.

Always ask yourself....What do you think Shanks would have done? ..............Exactly.

Shanks was ruthless, if your time was up and there was a better option you were history, it did not matter what you had done, and how long you had been with him, and if you demand success that's the way it has to be.

I am not saying Carra is completely finished , but for the last three seasons at least, there have been signs. He is still a warrior, will always we a legend, and organises things at the back, and that , in the main, has been why he is still a first choice. He is not super-human and years of unrelenting top class football have caught up with him, we need to bite the bullet and see if there are better options, or it is going to cost us more and more.


Sorry, that's just the way it is.

regards
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46831.msg1397801#msg1397801 date=1315774373]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46831.msg1397798#msg1397798 date=1315773519]
Ha, you're the man Oncy
[/quote]


Well he's certainly the only one name calling & having a hissy fit over other people having a differing opinion (an opinion which happens to be strongly in the majority as of this moment), rather than offering logical debate. I think most people are saying it's time to stop playing one of the three monkeys, look at Carra's age and indisputable drop off in performance and look at alternatives. Cover your eyes and scream blue murder if you want.


The only thing wrong with this, IMHO, is that the poll didn't offer a middle ground 'phasing in of a new CB' which is what I think Coates has been bought for. Probably most posters from both camps would have gone for that rather than being polarised into selecting one of the extremes.
[/quote]

pointless offering a third option. if and when carra is dropped then you have to give the new partnership time to gel. you don't rotate your CB (unless injuries gives you no choice).
 
Yes, I'd drop him but I think Kenny will tell him he's number one and will stick with him.

Oncy, you have been out of order in this thread. You want people to come onto these boards and post their views yet you've called anyone who has disagreed with you 'a superfan wanker'. Nice.
 
if you drop carra then you have a choice of;

a) skrtel
and with all due respect I think he does get caught out of position

b) coates
even though he has a lot of experience (which is unsual given his age) he is still just a kid and new to the league

an aging carra, skrtel and kid. all three come with risks so take your pick. last season was a right off and would have been the ideal time to blood in a new CB partnership, with the make or break carrot of the CL can we afford to take any risks?
 
So what are you saying? We can't afford to take any risks so we should leave all 3 of them on the bench? 😉
 
We need to see what our options are, so we need to be having a look at Coates sooner rather than later, how and where I am not sure, presumably League Cup, but next one is a potential banana skin

regards
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46831.msg1397904#msg1397904 date=1315818913]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46831.msg1397801#msg1397801 date=1315774373]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46831.msg1397798#msg1397798 date=1315773519]
Ha, you're the man Oncy
[/quote]


Well he's certainly the only one name calling & having a hissy fit over other people having a differing opinion (an opinion which happens to be strongly in the majority as of this moment), rather than offering logical debate. I think most people are saying it's time to stop playing one of the three monkeys, look at Carra's age and indisputable drop off in performance and look at alternatives. Cover your eyes and scream blue murder if you want.


The only thing wrong with this, IMHO, is that the poll didn't offer a middle ground 'phasing in of a new CB' which is what I think Coates has been bought for. Probably most posters from both camps would have gone for that rather than being polarised into selecting one of the extremes.
[/quote]

pointless offering a third option. if and when carra is dropped then you have to give the new partnership time to gel. you don't rotate your CB (unless injuries gives you no choice).
[/quote]

Not pointless at all. two options meant you polarise opinion without actually getting people's true feelings. Which for many goes along the lines of Vlad's post above. As I said I believe we must look at alternatives because the time has come to do so, last season maybe not but this season is already looking one too many for Carra to be expected to play 40+ games.

There are plenty of opportunities to blood Coates (and Skrtel doesn't need blooding of course). LC, FAC, last 20 mins when we are coasting. And sooner rather than later please. Let's see how good he really is.
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=46831.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1315819280]
Yes, I'd drop him but I think Kenny will tell him he's number one and will stick with him.

Oncy, you have been out of order in this thread. You want people to come onto these boards and post their views yet you've called anyone who has disagreed with you 'a superfan wanker'. Nice.
[/quote]No i havnt called anyone who disagreed with me 'superfan wanker' you mellodramatic bellend.
There are a number of posts (ie Vlads above) that i happen to agree with, and if you check back, on more than one occassion i have hinted that it may be better for our 'football playing' if Carragher wasnt in the team. I
happy to explore the options and always have been, but by the same token as when i deride the stupid fucking nugget of 'skrtel has a penalty/mistake in him' i will defend our vice captain and Liverpool Legend from the happy clappy morons who want to write him off because he made A mistake.
Its the same principle as those who have fuck all to say about (ie) Lucas and Kuyt when they are playing well only to start a thread the minute they have a bad game with the usual fucking tactical shite about how the shape of the team is ruined by them and we need attacking fullbacks and a diamond and all sorts of other wank. Its disrespectful to players who give their heart and soul to the cause.
Maybe your right, maybe its me whos out of step with the modern fan. If thats the case, then good, but i wont apologise for it.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46831.msg1397890#msg1397890 date=1315816886]
Would you drop Carrra?

If there is a better option ....absolutely, without question.

Then again that goes for any member of the team (or should do).

There is little place for sentiment in football.

Always ask yourself....What do you think Shanks would have done? ..............Exactly.

Shanks was ruthless, if your time was up and there was a better option you were history, it did not matter what you had done, and how long you had been with him, and if you demand success that's the way it has to be.

I am not saying Carra is completely finished , but for the last three seasons at least, there have been signs. He is still a warrior, will always we a legend, and organises things at the back, and that , in the main, has been why he is still a first choice. He is not super-human and years of unrelenting top class football have caught up with him, we need to bite the bullet and see if there are better options, or it is going to cost us more and more.


Sorry, that's just the way it is.

regards


[/quote]

I agree with this unsurprisingly. Carra still has a big part to play this season.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46831.msg1397987#msg1397987 date=1315828308]
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=46831.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1315819280]
Yes, I'd drop him but I think Kenny will tell him he's number one and will stick with him.

Oncy, you have been out of order in this thread. You want people to come onto these boards and post their views yet you've called anyone who has disagreed with you 'a superfan wanker'. Nice.
[/quote]No i havnt called anyone who disagreed with me 'superfan wanker' you mellodramatic bellend.
There are a number of posts (ie Vlads above) that i happen to agree with, and if you check back, on more than one occassion i have hinted that it may be better for our 'football playing' if Carragher wasnt in the team. I
happy to explore the options and always have been, but by the same token as when i deride the stupid fucking nugget of 'skrtel has a penalty/mistake in him' i will defend our vice captain and Liverpool Legend from the happy clappy morons who want to write him off because he made A mistake.
Its the same principle as those who have fuck all to say about (ie) Lucas and Kuyt when they are playing well only to start a thread the minute they have a bad game with the usual fucking tactical shite about how the shape of the team is ruined by them and we need attacking fullbacks and a diamond and all sorts of other wank. Its disrespectful to players who give their heart and soul to the cause.
Maybe your right, maybe its me whos out of step with the modern fan. If thats the case, then good, but i wont apologise for it.
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A-fucking-men.

And I'd assert that more people are put off this board by the unnecessary flogging of our longest and most loyal servants, than by the occasional barbed comment to the usual fucking champ-manager-hero suspects
 
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