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Dreambeliever

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Moving Gerrard back onto the right.

When we think of his best season for us it was when he was wide Right with a freeish role and he scored almost 30 goals.

This season he has been average at best and I would say below average for his standard. He just isn't getting into the games.

Whether you blame, the courtcase, Lucas, the lose of Alonso, or all of the above the bottom line is that with Gerrard in the hole he becomes invisible for large parts of most games.

We need our vest player more central. With Aquaman almost fit and Masher a must in the team I think moving Gerrard out right would be a good move.

Yossi proved yet again that he scores goals and everyone can see that he is best suited in the central role behind Torres.
And then there is Kuyt who have been very poor for 2 months now. I know there are those who will say he will come good and maybe this is so but right now he's offering very little going forward and should be given a rest. I think putting gerrard out there and giving him freedom with Yossi in the hole might give us new lease of life and one we need badly at the moment.

------------------Masher------Aquaman----------------

Gerrard-----------------------------------------Reira/Babel

-------------------------Yossi----------------------------

--------------------------Ngo-----------------------------
 
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Just to humour me so, how about Kuyt was out for a few weeks......
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37375.msg995998#msg995998 date=1258940705]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Just to humour me so, how about Kuyt was out for a few weeks......
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Benayoun would probably play there. Gerrard's days on the right-wing are over.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg996001#msg996001 date=1258940960]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37375.msg995998#msg995998 date=1258940705]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Just to humour me so, how about Kuyt was out for a few weeks......
[/quote]

Benayoun would probably play there. Gerrard's days on the right-wing are over.
[/quote]

Thank the lord!
 
Besides, starting positions are a bit of a misnomer anyway. Good players (such as Gerrard and Benayoun) don't restrict themselves to staying and playing in the position drawn for them on the fucking chalkboard. They should, and do, pop up everywhere.

I really don't care whether the chalkboard say's 'Benayoun' or 'Gerrard' is supposed to play in the hole, and I doubt they do either.
 
I've never minded the idea in the past but now is not the time for 'versatile Steven Gerrard'.

We need a fucking hero. And for that he has to be in his best position.

Drop Kuyt for Yossi.
 
What's wrong with keeping Kuyt on the right, and playing Yossi on the left? As I've mentioned a billion times before, starting positions don't fucking define where a player spends their time during a game.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Why would it be in the expense of Kuyt? Kuyt can play up front with Torres. Benayoun or Aquilani replace Lucas as attacking midfielder behind Torres and Kuyt. Reira at left midfield. Its very simple and easy if Rafael stick to basics instead of fucking tinkering the formation and starting line-up.

Gerrard at right midfield is a no-brainer. Let him play there for 5-6 games and see where it goes. In fact you could put Gerrard at centre back and he'd play well. Only a fucking Rafael fan like you would not want the best for the team. Gerrard is a central midfielder YES, he's more effective playing in that position YES, no one would argue that but at the moment we are a fucking mid-table team and why not lets turn around and make use of Gerrard out wide right where he will make the team better.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=37375.msg996062#msg996062 date=1258955471]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Why would it be in the expense of Kuyt? Kuyt can play up front with Torres. Benayoun or Aquilani replace Lucas as attacking midfielder behind Torres and Kuyt. Reira at left midfield. Its very simple and easy if Rafael stick to basics instead of fucking tinkering the formation and starting line-up.

Gerrard at right midfield is a no-brainer. Let him play there for 5-6 games and see where it goes. In fact you could put Gerrard at centre back and he'd play well. Only a fucking Rafael fan like you would not want the best for the team. Gerrard is a central midfielder YES, he's more effective playing in that position YES, no one would argue that but at the moment we are a fucking mid-table team and why not lets turn around and make use of Gerrard out wide right where he will make the team better.
[/quote]

That may as well have been in braille for all the sense it made to me Glock.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg996063#msg996063 date=1258956039]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=37375.msg996062#msg996062 date=1258955471]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Why would it be in the expense of Kuyt? Kuyt can play up front with Torres. Benayoun or Aquilani replace Lucas as attacking midfielder behind Torres and Kuyt. Reira at left midfield. Its very simple and easy if Rafael stick to basics instead of fucking tinkering the formation and starting line-up.

Gerrard at right midfield is a no-brainer. Let him play there for 5-6 games and see where it goes. In fact you could put Gerrard at centre back and he'd play well. Only a fucking Rafael fan like you would not want the best for the team. Gerrard is a central midfielder YES, he's more effective playing in that position YES, no one would argue that but at the moment we are a fucking mid-table team and why not lets turn around and make use of Gerrard out wide right where he will make the team better.
[/quote]

That may as well have been in braille for all the sense it made to me Glock.
[/quote]

Typical Rafael fanboy reply.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37375.msg996043#msg996043 date=1258950184]
I've never minded the idea in the past but now is not the time for 'versatile Steven Gerrard'.

We need a fucking hero. And for that he has to be in his best position.

Drop Kuyt for Yossi.
[/quote]

But that is my point exactly.

Our hero is having minimal impact in the hole as he is starved of the ball.

Let him roam.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg996049#msg996049 date=1258952541]
What's wrong with keeping Kuyt on the right, and playing Yossi on the left? As I've mentioned a billion times before, starting positions don't fucking define where a player spends their time during a game.
[/quote]

Everytime Yossi has played out wide he hasn't looked as effective as in the middle.

And I think Rafa does dictate to his wide men to stay wide for the most part.
 
I cant see Kuyt getting dropped but I think it might be good to shuffle the pack a bit.

I wonder if this would work with Gerrard and Aqualini next to each other behind Torres so they not so isolated they might link up nice there...

----------------Reina-----------
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Insua
------------Mascher------------
Kuyt----------------------Aurelio
-----Gerrard--Aqualini---------
------------Torres---------------
 
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=37375.msg996089#msg996089 date=1258958192]
I cant see Kuyt getting dropped but I think it might be good to shuffle the pack a bit.

I wonder if this would work with Gerrard and Aqualini next to each other behind Torres so they not so isolated they might link up nice there...

----------------Reina-----------
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Insua
------------Mascher------------
Kuyt----------------------Aurelio
-----Gerrard--Aqualini---------
------------Torres---------------
[/quote]

I'd play Gerrard on the left instead of the average Aurelio there.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Even though he's been essentially shit for 2 months now? In a season where we were desperately in need of Kuyt and Yossi to 'lead' us while we were missing Gerrard & Torres, only one has really even remotely come close to shouldering the weight of the burden. The other one has run a lot.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37375.msg996093#msg996093 date=1258958476]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Even though he's been essentially shit for 2 months now? In a season where we were desperately in need of Kuyt and Yossi to 'lead' us while we were missing Gerrard & Torres, only one has really even remotely come close to shouldering the weight of the burden. The other one has run a lot.
[/quote]

We've been in more pressing need of our central midfield to look halfway competent and our defence not looking completely incompetent. Kuyt offering more than effort would be bonus really. That being said he has been mostly shit.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37375.msg996093#msg996093 date=1258958476]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Even though he's been essentially shit for 2 months now? In a season where we were desperately in need of Kuyt and Yossi to 'lead' us while we were missing Gerrard & Torres, only one has really even remotely come close to shouldering the weight of the burden. The other one has run a lot.
[/quote]

The only thing is missing from Kuyt's play is he isn't selfish enough. He should be more selfish. He'd get goals. Having said that, Kuyt's been pretty poor of late. No one is saying anything else. Plus Rafael tinker too much and instead of playing Benayoun at right mid and Kuyt up front he chose to play Benayoun at left wing and N'gog up front. Blame the manager.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=37375.msg996092#msg996092 date=1258958433]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=37375.msg996089#msg996089 date=1258958192]
I cant see Kuyt getting dropped but I think it might be good to shuffle the pack a bit.

I wonder if this would work with Gerrard and Aqualini next to each other behind Torres so they not so isolated they might link up nice there...

----------------Reina-----------
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Insua
------------Mascher------------
Kuyt----------------------Aurelio
-----Gerrard--Aqualini---------
------------Torres---------------
[/quote]

I'd play Gerrard on the left instead of the average Aurelio there.
[/quote]

Aurelio is a makeshirt til we can get someone better.

Having Gerrard and Aqua in the hole there might galvanize our attack?

Could link up really well, give and gos from Gerrard to Aqua, little tidy 1-2's, with Torres playing on the minds of the defense too. They wouldnt know wheather to come or stay I think it could be dangerous.

To be fair i dont know enough about Aqualini yet to say if it would work will have to see how he goes.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=37375.msg996099#msg996099 date=1258958842]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37375.msg996093#msg996093 date=1258958476]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Even though he's been essentially shit for 2 months now? In a season where we were desperately in need of Kuyt and Yossi to 'lead' us while we were missing Gerrard & Torres, only one has really even remotely come close to shouldering the weight of the burden. The other one has run a lot.
[/quote]

The only thing is missing from Kuyt's play is he isn't selfish enough. He should be more selfish. He'd get goals. Having said that, Kuyt's been pretty poor of late. No one is saying anything else. Plus Rafael tinker too much and instead of playing Benayoun at right mid and Kuyt up front he chose to play Benayoun at left wing and N'gog up front. Blame the manager.
[/quote]

Glock, your 'blame the manager' shit is pathetic. This is a player who is struggling for form - it happens. If you're going to blame him for something, blame him for NOT dropping him a month ago.

Interesting point re: his selfishness. I haven't really seen him 'passing off' goal scoring attempts that much, so I'm not sure how valid it is when he's playing at 'right mid'
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37375.msg996103#msg996103 date=1258959198]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=37375.msg996099#msg996099 date=1258958842]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37375.msg996093#msg996093 date=1258958476]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Even though he's been essentially shit for 2 months now? In a season where we were desperately in need of Kuyt and Yossi to 'lead' us while we were missing Gerrard & Torres, only one has really even remotely come close to shouldering the weight of the burden. The other one has run a lot.
[/quote]

The only thing is missing from Kuyt's play is he isn't selfish enough. He should be more selfish. He'd get goals. Having said that, Kuyt's been pretty poor of late. No one is saying anything else. Plus Rafael tinker too much and instead of playing Benayoun at right mid and Kuyt up front he chose to play Benayoun at left wing and N'gog up front. Blame the manager.
[/quote]

Glock, your 'blame the manager' shit is pathetic. This is a player who is struggling for form - it happens. If you're going to blame him for something, blame him for NOT dropping him a month ago.

Interesting point re: his selfishness. I haven't really seen him 'passing off' goal scoring attempts that much, so I'm not sure how valid it is when he's playing at 'right mid'
[/quote]

Or whether or not it's "tinker[ing] too much" to play Kuyt in the position he has mostly played in for the previous two seasons.
 
I think

------------------Torres/N'gog---Kuyt-------------
---Riera/Aurelio--Gerrard---Mascherano----Yossi----

is the way to go.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg996049#msg996049 date=1258952541]
What's wrong with keeping Kuyt on the right, and playing Yossi on the left? As I've mentioned a billion times before, starting positions don't fucking define where a player spends their time during a game.
[/quote]

Yossi has proven over time that he impacts the game less when his starting position is on the left. A players starting position doesn't prevent him from moving about, but it does generally mean he has to start from where he's told and if he is roaming all over the place, it has an effect on others who have to cover for him and are left exposed by him.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37375.msg996093#msg996093 date=1258958476]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37375.msg995994#msg995994 date=1258940467]
Your formation would mean dropping Kuyt, which is never going to happen, so it's a moot point really regardless of how you think it might work.
[/quote]

Even though he's been essentially shit for 2 months now? In a season where we were desperately in need of Kuyt and Yossi to 'lead' us while we were missing Gerrard & Torres, only one has really even remotely come close to shouldering the weight of the burden. The other one has run a lot.
[/quote]

I dont think Ryan is stating that Kuyt is undroppable due to his quality. I think he is telling that Rafa will never ever drop Kuyt. I think he writes down Kuyt and Reina first and then goes about choosing the remaining 9 players.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=37375.msg996414#msg996414 date=1258993212]
Was it glock who claimed he was the new van basten?
[/quote]

it's deluded enough t be a glock one alright
 
I would be in favour of anything if it meant Lucas was watching us from the stands.

Speaking about Kuyt, well he's been absolutely dreaful since the begining of the season, our 2nd worst player after Lucas.

But yeah, Rafa wont drop them anyway.
 
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