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Tom Werner : we gave Brendan Rodgers enough time

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What do top football managers do when out of contract anyway ? Watch games on tv? read the sports pages to see which managers are on the sack watch..?

Jurgen said he actually for the first time could sit down and Acknowledge the titles they won... so reflection is probably high up the agenda.
 
I began to wonder if that was what had been going on when we bought Firmino and Rodgers wouldn't play him, not in his proper position anyway.
 
You children never learn do you?

Fucking mediocre losers!

You will see the same exact article in Oct 2017. Flopp will not get us anywhere near the title.
 
You children never learn do you?

Fucking mediocre losers!

You will see the same exact article in Oct 2017. Flopp will not get us anywhere near the title.
Is this type of behaviour the only way you can get an erection these days?
 
Oh boy. Do you think Rodgers briefings initiated the "anti transfer committee" articles from spring and summer onwards.?

I'm fairly sure, yes. I got loads of flak for moaning, admittedly to the point of boredom for everyone else, about this habit in his first year, but it was because I knew where it was likely to take him, and us. You don't normally get belatedly mature and cut all of that out as the seasons go by - it usually tends to get worse and worse. I hoped against hope that, in that one great season, he was proving me wrong, because he was on such a high he did indeed seem to be cutting down on the double-speak, but it was back with a vengeance the next summer.

Obviously FSG and the committee were not averse to their own off-the-record briefings, but generally they were rare and weren't contradicting any public statements, just expanding on them. The problem with Brendan was that, for whatever reasons, he appeared devious. Take the Carroll complaints about how he never got an honest conversation with the manager - one can moan all one likes about the player, but that kind of story unnerves even the manager's favourites, because they all start to wonder, 'What's he saying about me?' The Balotelli stuff was predictably cynical - pretty much as soon as he arrived, the briefings started to show how impossible he was to coach. As many said at the time, if you think a player's uncoachable, don't sign him; don't bring him in and then privately excuse yourself from the whole debacle.

That's what Brendan needs to learn from if he gets another top job. He's got to reallly believe in himself. So far it's as if he's playing an idea of what a great manager is, and he's trying to convince himself as much as anyone else that he's not acting at all, and he's using all the other nonsense as a safety valve. He'll do fine if he just concentrates on the job.
 
I'm impossible to pigeonhole TBH. In terms of domestic politics and international economics I would place myself on the left, but in terms of overall UK foreign and defence policy I definitely do not buy into the anti-US/NATO/nukes approved wisdom of the left. Voting is often a real problem for me and I tend to end up voting for candidates rather than parties.

I think this description fits me too. Only here in the US the Democrats' foreign policy is quite hawkish (compared to the European Left), so I don't have the same dilemma you face as a voter in England.
 
Does make you wonder, the two big signings of the summer were Benteke, who Klopp wanted, and Firmino, a star of German footy who no-one had ever heard of outside the Bundesliga. Maybe they did buy players for Klopp, he just wasn't available yet.

But... they wouldn't have taken on Gary Mc and O'Driscall if that were the case.


I think it's just a coincidence, mate. It's pretty clear that Rodgers was the driving force behind the transfer of Benteke whereas Klopp had been considering bringing Benteke to Dortmund a year earlier, but in the end chose to sign someone else instead. He is probably intrigued by Benteke, but he also might have some concerns about him, which is why he didn't sign him when he had a chance.

As for Firmino, I think he is just a typical TC signing, like Can a year earlier. They clearly have been following the German market closely for years and we've been linked with a lot of players from there, even before Rodgers came. This summer we needed to get ready to replace Sterling, not to mention plugging the hole left by Suarez's departure a year earlier, so that's why they were ready to splash big money on someone. Don't think it has anything to do with Klopp.
 
Does make you wonder, the two big signings of the summer were Benteke, who Klopp wanted, and Firmino, a star of German footy who no-one had ever heard of outside the Bundesliga. Maybe they did buy players for Klopp, he just wasn't available yet.

But... they wouldn't have taken on Gary Mc and O'Driscall if that were the case.


I dunno you know. If you listened to Klopps presser then it sounded to me like he was planning on taking a year out - he mentions until next June. But then says after 4 months he was ready to work again. So I thought the same as you. No way theyd bring in Gary Mac or O'Driscoll unless Rodgers was going to be there a bit longer term. I think Klopp was always in the plans, has tipped FSG the nod he's willing to come earlier than planned and they've acted quickly. Look at how much Klopp merchandise was in the club store by the Saturday..
 
I think Brendan's problem wasn't so much the signings as his appetite to work with them. Take Markovic, for example. I really don't believe he didn't want that player as much as anyone else on that committee did. He just seemed to lack the energy to work with him. Everyone at the club seemed ecstatic to get Markovic, the scouting had been going on for ages and ages, but when he arrived it was almost as if Rodgers, following the disappointment of the previous season, was like a balloon with a slow leak. From being a super-confident coach who had a bring it on attitude to new players, he seemed to have turned into a much more conventional manager who was only prepared to stick a new player on where it suited the team at that moment and then see how he adapted. The kid arrived a year too late. It was positively Rafa-like the way Rodgers kept moving him into positions that seemed less and less suited to his strengths, and then benching him for failing to be a different player to the one he was. Hopefully Klopp will bring Markovic back and engage with him properly, because there's a real talent there.
 
I think Brendan's problem wasn't so much the signings as his appetite to work with them. Take Markovic, for example. I really don't believe he didn't want that player as much as anyone else on that committee did. He just seemed to lack the energy to work with him. Everyone at the club seemed ecstatic to get Markovic, the scouting had been going on for ages and ages, but when he arrived it was almost as if Rodgers, following the disappointment of the previous season, was like a balloon with a slow leak. From being a super-confident coach who had a bring it on attitude to new players, he seemed to have turned into a much more conventional manager who was only prepared to stick a new player on where it suited the team at that moment and then see how he adapted. The kid arrived a year too late. It was positively Rafa-like the way Rodgers kept moving him into positions that seemed less and less suited to his strengths, and then benching him for failing to be a different player to the one he was. Hopefully Klopp will bring Markovic back and engage with him properly, because there's a real talent there.


rodgers pretty much never gave him a chance after that cl red card. he was so close to being a hero in that game as well.
 
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