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most of the shots ive seen so far have been poor due to shite execution.
So many of the players are snatching at the ball and simply blasting it.. Its possible that its one of those balls that rewards technique rather than simple Yakubu style power over precision.
However.. its obvious that a lot of players arnt happy with it. It seems to be a regular thing to use the world cup as the guinea pig for testing new balls - Which is fucking daft.
On the Green incident... he has fucked up regularly for years.. He would drop his head if it wasnt stuck on.
So many of the players are snatching at the ball and simply blasting it.. Its possible that its one of those balls that rewards technique rather than simple Yakubu style power over precision.
However.. its obvious that a lot of players arnt happy with it. It seems to be a regular thing to use the world cup as the guinea pig for testing new balls - Which is fucking daft.
On the Green incident... he has fucked up regularly for years.. He would drop his head if it wasnt stuck on.
The ball is round. As allways.
Another match again that I've watched throughout and I've failed to see any marked difference in how the ball flies, it's trajectory or anything like that. I agree that there may be issues with it, but probably not as catastrophic as some of the players are making out. It seems that any poor shots from range are failing due to poor technique more than anything.
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=40594.msg1120272#msg1120272 date=1276607095]
Another match again that I've watched throughout and I've failed to see any marked difference in how the ball flies, it's trajectory or anything like that. I agree that there may be issues with it, but probably not as catastrophic as some of the Nike players are making out. It seems that any poor shots from range are failing due to poor technique more than anything.
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Another match again that I've watched throughout and I've failed to see any marked difference in how the ball flies, it's trajectory or anything like that. I agree that there may be issues with it, but probably not as catastrophic as some of the Nike players are making out. It seems that any poor shots from range are failing due to poor technique more than anything.
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[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=40594.msg1120158#msg1120158 date=1276596782]
Mitre Multiplex ftw
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Is correct.
Mitre delta my arse oncy.
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Someone bought me a Mitre Delta Magma and it didn't take long for a panel to rip off. Overrated.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=40594.msg1120158#msg1120158 date=1276596782]
Mitre Multiplex ftw
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Is correct.
Mitre delta my arse oncy.
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Someone bought me a Mitre Delta Magma and it didn't take long for a panel to rip off. Overrated.
Adidas Tango Orange ball FTW. My childhood was spent with one, it lasted for about 9 yearsin ace condition. Until Piedro kicked it over the fence or something.
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The ball does quite clearly stay in the air longer and is more floaty, but so what?
Same for everyone, get on with it.
We've it's still possible to hit it from distance, put good corners in and freekicks.
Same for everyone, get on with it.
We've it's still possible to hit it from distance, put good corners in and freekicks.
I was bitching and moaning about the ball as well but then today I watched the Brazilians take several shots from distance and they kept nearly all of them low and at goal height. So obvs. those with talent can still make it work.
They are meant to be the best players in the world. They should be able to play with a tin of peas.
The Brazilians make balls out of string and rags when they are kids.
The Brazilians make balls out of string and rags when they are kids.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=40594.msg1120704#msg1120704 date=1276661711]
They are meant to be the best players in the world. They should be able to play with a tin of peas.
The Brazilians make balls out of string and rags when they are kids.
[/quote]Not to pick on your post, but I think some of you are missing the point.
No ones saying they CANT play with this ball, what we're saying is it's a shit ball and the best players in the world in the biggest competition in the world shouldn't have to!
FIFA should have done everything in their power to help the best players in the world to actually play football. What they have done is forsaken that opportunity for the occassional thrill of a keeper being beaten by ridiculous swerve from 40 yards.
The ball for a world cup should be perfect. It should be given to a group of top players to test and if they don't like it it should be altered.
It's cutting off their nose despite their face. Yes it's round, yes it's a ball, yes they're all playing with the same thing. But it's crap, and the list of players saying so is growing by the day. Worse still the tournament is the poorer for it.
They are meant to be the best players in the world. They should be able to play with a tin of peas.
The Brazilians make balls out of string and rags when they are kids.
[/quote]Not to pick on your post, but I think some of you are missing the point.
No ones saying they CANT play with this ball, what we're saying is it's a shit ball and the best players in the world in the biggest competition in the world shouldn't have to!
FIFA should have done everything in their power to help the best players in the world to actually play football. What they have done is forsaken that opportunity for the occassional thrill of a keeper being beaten by ridiculous swerve from 40 yards.
The ball for a world cup should be perfect. It should be given to a group of top players to test and if they don't like it it should be altered.
It's cutting off their nose despite their face. Yes it's round, yes it's a ball, yes they're all playing with the same thing. But it's crap, and the list of players saying so is growing by the day. Worse still the tournament is the poorer for it.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40594.msg1120790#msg1120790 date=1276677175]
It's cutting off their nose despite their face.
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That's a new one. So they're good lookin'?
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It's cutting off their nose despite their face.
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That's a new one. So they're good lookin'?
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To be fair maicons goal kinda proves the audacious can still happen. Ronaldo hitting the post from range, the bar being rattled a few times. I think everyones just being too cautious to begin with and they just don't want to lose. ivory coast v portugal, that was THE important game of that group yet both teams looked shit scared to attack. The ball may have some say on how the tournament has progressed thus far, but i reckon it'll properly get good in the 2nd group games
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Once again, the Jr.Windever and I are as one.
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Once again, the Jr.Windever and I are as one.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40594.msg1120790#msg1120790 date=1276677175]
It's cutting off their nose despite their face.
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That's a new one. So they're good lookin'?
😛
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To think they will change the ball now bugger's believe.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40594.msg1120790#msg1120790 date=1276677175]
It's cutting off their nose despite their face.
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That's a new one. So they're good lookin'?
😛
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To think they will change the ball now bugger's believe.
Oncy, there's no evidence whatsoever that the ball is inconsistent, or would tend to swerve in some ridiculous manner. The only independent testing I've seen shows the opposite.
There's a bit of evidence that it is slightly faster and has slightly less drag. We are talking about factors of 5% or less.
When more teams are on song, we'll hear less about the ball, and it won't be because they've adjusted to it. We'll hear less about the vuvuzelas as well.
There's a bit of evidence that it is slightly faster and has slightly less drag. We are talking about factors of 5% or less.
When more teams are on song, we'll hear less about the ball, and it won't be because they've adjusted to it. We'll hear less about the vuvuzelas as well.
The jarmans have had it for a srason to get used to it and it showed.
All I want to know is if it 'tangs' when you launch a traction engine shot. Thhwak
All I want to know is if it 'tangs' when you launch a traction engine shot. Thhwak
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Oncy, there's no evidence whatsoever that the ball is inconsistent, or would tend to swerve in some ridiculous manner. The only independent testing I've seen shows the opposite.
There's a bit of evidence that it is slightly faster and has slightly less drag. We are talking about factors of 5% or less.
When more teams are on song, we'll hear less about the ball, and it won't be because they've adjusted to it. We'll hear less about the vuvuzelas as well.
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There's the evidence given by a growing list of players. You can't discount that becuase they are talking about reality. The tests that have been conducted are obviously flawed if they do not represent reality.
Don't talk about them being independent as though its some big deal. Just point me in the direction of these tests i would happily tear them to shreds for you and make the researchers look like idiots. which they are.
Oncy, there's no evidence whatsoever that the ball is inconsistent, or would tend to swerve in some ridiculous manner. The only independent testing I've seen shows the opposite.
There's a bit of evidence that it is slightly faster and has slightly less drag. We are talking about factors of 5% or less.
When more teams are on song, we'll hear less about the ball, and it won't be because they've adjusted to it. We'll hear less about the vuvuzelas as well.
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There's the evidence given by a growing list of players. You can't discount that becuase they are talking about reality. The tests that have been conducted are obviously flawed if they do not represent reality.
Don't talk about them being independent as though its some big deal. Just point me in the direction of these tests i would happily tear them to shreds for you and make the researchers look like idiots. which they are.
it is done
David Rogers et al. An Experimental Validation Method of Wind Tunnel Measurements on FIFA Approved Footballs Using Kicking Tests in Wind-Free Conditions. Procedia Engineering 2 (2010) 2481–2486
it's a piece of shit written for a conference by a phd student at loughborough.
So the FIFA accreditation is basically also a piece of shit. it doesn't include the flight characteristics. so this paper was trying to propose a test to measure this property, and make some money out of it somehow.
that is the conclusion of his literature review. he then procedes to conduct his tests in a air craft hanger to eliminate the external wind conditions. but despite that qoute he has not measured the air pressure, the temperature or the relative humidity. all of these "paramaters" effect the drag coefficient on the ball and the aerodynamics. and the fact they are all completely difference in south africa and in an RAF hanger would be why i stop reading at this point.
so he does some bullshit tests, with a kicking robot and measuring some forces. comparing it to his model. ok he calculated the drag based on the football being round, and the project surface area is pi r-squared.
but becuase he's an idiot he hasn't even realised that when you kick a football hard it deforms and is no longer round. the difference in drag between something round and something deformed might in fact will be significant. but he's a fucking idiot and doesn't even mention this. why? because he doesn't think about things the way a good scientis must do. fuck this there's no point reading the rest
David Rogers et al. An Experimental Validation Method of Wind Tunnel Measurements on FIFA Approved Footballs Using Kicking Tests in Wind-Free Conditions. Procedia Engineering 2 (2010) 2481–2486
it's a piece of shit written for a conference by a phd student at loughborough.
So the FIFA accreditation is basically also a piece of shit. it doesn't include the flight characteristics. so this paper was trying to propose a test to measure this property, and make some money out of it somehow.
that is the conclusion of his literature review. he then procedes to conduct his tests in a air craft hanger to eliminate the external wind conditions. but despite that qoute he has not measured the air pressure, the temperature or the relative humidity. all of these "paramaters" effect the drag coefficient on the ball and the aerodynamics. and the fact they are all completely difference in south africa and in an RAF hanger would be why i stop reading at this point.
so he does some bullshit tests, with a kicking robot and measuring some forces. comparing it to his model. ok he calculated the drag based on the football being round, and the project surface area is pi r-squared.
but becuase he's an idiot he hasn't even realised that when you kick a football hard it deforms and is no longer round. the difference in drag between something round and something deformed might in fact will be significant. but he's a fucking idiot and doesn't even mention this. why? because he doesn't think about things the way a good scientis must do. fuck this there's no point reading the rest
[quote author=Rouge Penguin link=topic=40594.msg1120950#msg1120950 date=1276688141]
The jarmans have had it for a srason to get used to it and it showed.
All I want to know is if it 'tangs' when you launch a traction engine shot. Thhwak
[/quote]Youve played with it, it's the one Matt brought that we tried out for two weeks before going back to they yellow one you bring with.
I'm sick going on about it now. It's crap, the players and managers hate it, I don't really care about anything else.
The jarmans have had it for a srason to get used to it and it showed.
All I want to know is if it 'tangs' when you launch a traction engine shot. Thhwak
[/quote]Youve played with it, it's the one Matt brought that we tried out for two weeks before going back to they yellow one you bring with.
I'm sick going on about it now. It's crap, the players and managers hate it, I don't really care about anything else.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40594.msg1119898#msg1119898 date=1276545756]
It's fucking shite. It's ruining the world cup.
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What kind of idiot starts a boring shit topic like this.Where's the B.
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=40453.0;topicseen
Is it Gas filled? Does anyone know. It's the worst start to a word cup Ever. Ever
yes they'll get used to it but that's hardly the point the Germans can sail through with an unfair advantage.
The bloody thing should never have got of the ground.
It's fucking shite. It's ruining the world cup.
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What kind of idiot starts a boring shit topic like this.Where's the B.
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=40453.0;topicseen
Is it Gas filled? Does anyone know. It's the worst start to a word cup Ever. Ever
yes they'll get used to it but that's hardly the point the Germans can sail through with an unfair advantage.
The bloody thing should never have got of the ground.
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The bloody thing should never have got of the ground.
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I'm pretty sure most wouldn't like that design either.
The bloody thing should never have got of the ground.
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I'm pretty sure most wouldn't like that design either.
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