The Tipping Point
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Yes I think his time has come and gone. I have very little faith in the club to appoint a successor who will be any better or to institute a transfer policy that makes any sort of sense, but it doesn't matter in terms of Rodgers because I think he's lost the plot, the players and the fans.
Probably because you are judging him over all four seasons and with the aura of being a Liverpool manager. If you take that away and just look at him as he is now, Tim Sherwood and Steve McLaren are the only two who are arguably worse. There's a few unknowns who've never been heard of. But the rest are better than him.
It was like taking a precocious undergraduate and making him chancellor of a university. For me, most of the blame goes on the people who over-promoted him. And if you do over-promote someone, you really need to give them plenty of help and advice and support, and FSG seemed to do the opposite. It's a really lousy episode.
Yeah, I'm out. Extreme doubts at the end of last season kind of subsided over the summer. A case of absence making the heart grow fonder, methinks.
But this season stinks to high heaven already and I no longer trust him having the ability to turn it round. My original trust was probably more based on hope anyway.
Seeya, Bren. It's been not all that swell.
But this season stinks to high heaven already and I no longer trust him having the ability to turn it round. My original trust was probably more based on hope anyway.
Seeya, Bren. It's been not all that swell.
Me too if that's true.
I thought he should have gone after Stoke, as I'm sure most did. I don't have any faith in him turning things around - I think he's too stuck in the mire to be able to reset his approach to how it was in the first couple of seasons. I agree with gkmacca though, the club didn't exactly give him the best opportunity to succeed, given his lack of experience. They should have surrounded him with people who knew what they were doing; instead you had a club run by people still figuring out what they were supposed to do.
The worrying thing is that whoever comes in to replace Rodgers, we still won't have the best chance of success because the operational nous isn't there. We don't have owners with a clear, thought out strategy (they want us to win things, but they don't really understand how to get us to that point), we don't have executives with experience of running a winning club, and we don't have someone who is skilled at closing out deals. We're asking an awful lot of whoever comes in to be manager.
The worrying thing is that whoever comes in to replace Rodgers, we still won't have the best chance of success because the operational nous isn't there. We don't have owners with a clear, thought out strategy (they want us to win things, but they don't really understand how to get us to that point), we don't have executives with experience of running a winning club, and we don't have someone who is skilled at closing out deals. We're asking an awful lot of whoever comes in to be manager.
Meh. At that point where everyone's waiting for him to go, like Rafa and Geds last seasons, we all know it's coming
This...as long as the replacement is top tier, and not bargain basement
Yep.
Suarez or not, Rodgers deserved last season. Regrettably he made such poor use of it that, coupled with the fact that his own mistakes were part of the reason why we didn't win the title the previous season, I strongly suspect he'd have gone last summer if we'd been able to strike a deal with the likes of Klopp or Ancelotti.
Like others on here, I suspect the fact that we weren't able to reach agreement with someone of that stature is the only reason why Rodgers was kept on and why they backed him in the market. I don't totally blame them for the latter BTW - given that they weren't able to replace him as they (probably) wanted to, I expect they thought leaving him in charge of the same squad would see us drop like a stone down the league, and nobody could have foreseen quite how hopeless we'd look against West Ham (FFS) and how lacking in fight we'd be against the Mancs.
IMO none of that means we should now continue flogging a dead horse with Rodgers in charge. My hopes for him and for the club under him had been leaking away last season, the West Ham game was the final straw and yet another surrender against the Mancs underlined that for me. I happen to think he does have talent as a coach and may well do a good job at another, less pressurised club, but as far as Liverpool FC is concerned he has to go.
Like others on here, I suspect the fact that we weren't able to reach agreement with someone of that stature is the only reason why Rodgers was kept on and why they backed him in the market. I don't totally blame them for the latter BTW - given that they weren't able to replace him as they (probably) wanted to, I expect they thought leaving him in charge of the same squad would see us drop like a stone down the league, and nobody could have foreseen quite how hopeless we'd look against West Ham (FFS) and how lacking in fight we'd be against the Mancs.
IMO none of that means we should now continue flogging a dead horse with Rodgers in charge. My hopes for him and for the club under him had been leaking away last season, the West Ham game was the final straw and yet another surrender against the Mancs underlined that for me. I happen to think he does have talent as a coach and may well do a good job at another, less pressurised club, but as far as Liverpool FC is concerned he has to go.
I find the very common view that we might struggle to find a better alternative fairly mad.
It's looking more and more like he's actually not much of a manager at all. I think the chancer charge is accurate. 2013/14 was brilliant but most of what was good was kind of forced on him - he had to play the 442, and most of the rest of the team picked itself. The style was thrilling but it wasn't what he was espousing when he arrived and he's never even tried to replace it since having had the freedom to choose other options.
He's obviously got a bit of knowledge of the game but he needs to continue building it up, and realise his own shortcomings. Otherwise he's got where has on hot air and impudence.
If we were to appoint a quality DOF, *like we should have THREE YEARS AGO* and then just choose the best European coach we can (you're probably talking 20 odd credible candidates) then we'd be far far better off. Guys like Ancelotti and Klopp would just be the icing on a very delicious cake.
It's looking more and more like he's actually not much of a manager at all. I think the chancer charge is accurate. 2013/14 was brilliant but most of what was good was kind of forced on him - he had to play the 442, and most of the rest of the team picked itself. The style was thrilling but it wasn't what he was espousing when he arrived and he's never even tried to replace it since having had the freedom to choose other options.
He's obviously got a bit of knowledge of the game but he needs to continue building it up, and realise his own shortcomings. Otherwise he's got where has on hot air and impudence.
If we were to appoint a quality DOF, *like we should have THREE YEARS AGO* and then just choose the best European coach we can (you're probably talking 20 odd credible candidates) then we'd be far far better off. Guys like Ancelotti and Klopp would just be the icing on a very delicious cake.
He and we need to be put out of our misery, he has to go and it's just a matter of time. He's lost the fans and the players and the owners will eventually follow once they have taken their fingers out their arses.
I'm sorry it hasn't worked out because he gave us some memorable moments during that one incredible season when we deserved to win the league and he would always have been a hero to us come what may if only we could have held on, just in the way we will always love Rafa for 2005.
But he should have gone after the Stoke game and has been a dead man walking ever since. We are on a headlong slide at the moment, he can't arrest the decline and if the inevitable is left too much longer it could get nasty.
I'm sorry it hasn't worked out because he gave us some memorable moments during that one incredible season when we deserved to win the league and he would always have been a hero to us come what may if only we could have held on, just in the way we will always love Rafa for 2005.
But he should have gone after the Stoke game and has been a dead man walking ever since. We are on a headlong slide at the moment, he can't arrest the decline and if the inevitable is left too much longer it could get nasty.
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