Torres doesn't count, because we were raped 30 seconds later by Newcastle
The case for keeping 35Million Carroll
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Quite.
I have a feeling we're going to get raped with Carroll again but at least the saga will be brought to an end. Awful, awful transfer for both club and player.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1454532/allardyce-looks-seal-carroll-deal?cc=4716
Allardyce looks to seal Carroll deal
May 20, 2013
West Ham United will make the permanent signing of Liverpool forward Andy Carroll their top priority this summer, manager Sam Allardyce has said.
Carroll, 24, has been on a season-long loan at Upton Park and appears to be surplus to requirements at Liverpool, with manager Brendan Rodgers suggesting last month that he has not changed his view that the striker does not fit with his style of preferred style of play. He has said in recent days that a decision would be taken in the summer.
West Ham have already made clear that they would like to retain Carroll and, although Allardyce had claimed the player was “too expensive”, he has now confirmed his club will pursue a deal.
“He is, obviously, our target to make it a permanent signing if we can,” he told the club’s official website. “Hopefully we can get somewhere in the near future to do that. It’s our main priority at the moment.
“We have to pursue that to the very end, one way or the other, and find out as quickly as we can whether it’s going to be a yes or a no. So that’ll be the first priority - and, of course, it we can start with Andy Carroll, that will be a great achievement for us.
“At his young age, he can only get better and better in terms of his playing prowess. Then I think we build around that in terms of what we want to improve next.”
Carroll, who has indicated a willingness to sign for West Ham, this week earned a return to the England squad and Allardyce added: “You see his all-round ability showing more and more in every game that he plays.
“It’s not just about his aerial prowess in the box - it’s about his overall game, his hold-up play, his quality on the ball and his retention of possession. He makes life very difficult for centre-halves and his all-round game is getting better and better.”
Allardyce looks to seal Carroll deal
May 20, 2013
West Ham United will make the permanent signing of Liverpool forward Andy Carroll their top priority this summer, manager Sam Allardyce has said.
Carroll, 24, has been on a season-long loan at Upton Park and appears to be surplus to requirements at Liverpool, with manager Brendan Rodgers suggesting last month that he has not changed his view that the striker does not fit with his style of preferred style of play. He has said in recent days that a decision would be taken in the summer.
West Ham have already made clear that they would like to retain Carroll and, although Allardyce had claimed the player was “too expensive”, he has now confirmed his club will pursue a deal.
“He is, obviously, our target to make it a permanent signing if we can,” he told the club’s official website. “Hopefully we can get somewhere in the near future to do that. It’s our main priority at the moment.
“We have to pursue that to the very end, one way or the other, and find out as quickly as we can whether it’s going to be a yes or a no. So that’ll be the first priority - and, of course, it we can start with Andy Carroll, that will be a great achievement for us.
“At his young age, he can only get better and better in terms of his playing prowess. Then I think we build around that in terms of what we want to improve next.”
Carroll, who has indicated a willingness to sign for West Ham, this week earned a return to the England squad and Allardyce added: “You see his all-round ability showing more and more in every game that he plays.
“It’s not just about his aerial prowess in the box - it’s about his overall game, his hold-up play, his quality on the ball and his retention of possession. He makes life very difficult for centre-halves and his all-round game is getting better and better.”
The Monaco link is probably by his agent to put a bit of pressure on West Ham. Or maybe it's Rodgers sending our feelers...
A bit of media propoganda always helps. either way Big Andy is a goner!
I don't think we could have kept it. We were in the doldrums when Budgie left us, and we had no way of knowing for certain if Suarez was going to be a success. We needed to buy someone, even just to hedge our bets.
I guess ... hindsight is 20/20 etc ... Considering our January purchases over the last few years (Skrtl, Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho etc), it's just unfortunate we blew our 'big one'
Disagree. It was obvious at the time we should have waited. We weren't really playing for anything and he was injured anyway!
A lot of things are obvious in hindsight, and a lot of people thought we were robbed over Carroll (although I don't think anyone predicted exactly how bad it would go). But another important fact is that if we had sold Torres and not spent all the money on replacements then the new owners would have been lynched.
I don 't think it was obvious then, Peter. We often asked ourselves in the first half of this season just gone where the feck we'd be if Suarez were absent for any length of time. Not replacing Torres would have brought about a very similar situation.
We had replaced Torres ... with Suarez.
It was obvious to me at the time, I said so.
I think a few thick fans would've complained a bit, most would have been placated with an explanation and reassurances. It wouldn't have been a big deal.
But we spent half a season using Egg Nog when Torres was injured. We needed 2 strikers (at least)
We had Kuyt ... it was a panic buy ... and if we wanted 'two strikers', we should have ensured the one we paid 35 million for was FIT!
Buying another striker was not a mistake. Voluntarily leaving ourselves reliant only on Suarez and Wash would have been plain daft. Where we went wrong was buying the wrong one.
I don't think we bought him as a striker.
Deadly had been moved to the right precisely because he wasn't cutting it as a regular choice up front.
I can't believe people are arguing this. So you honestly were happy, at the time, that we spent £35m on Andy Carroll? It didn't occur to you that, far from ideal though it might be, it would be better to wait 4 months than sign a half-season wonder for about double what he was worth?
I'm not arguing for signing Carroll. I'm arguing for signing "someone". We needed a second striker, we did, and it didn't work. Again, hindsight is great, and Suarez is great, but if he hadn't settled then we be stuck with Egg Nog and moving Kuyt would have left us short on the right. We were understaffed, with massive supporter unrest and we needed players.
That's not the point! The point, rather, is that we had about 6 hours (if that?) to get a deal done, in January. So tends to suggest that the 'right' one might not be easily available! Obviously had he been then that was the ideal solution. But that just goes without saying.
35 Million for Carroll was one of the most ludicrous transfers in Premier League history. I quite like him though - Just not 35 million quid like him.
Its not even hindsight in regards to carroll just commonsense. When i heard we had bought him i was annoyed as i didn't rate him. When i heard the price i was just stunned. i couldn't believe our club could be that stupid to spend all that money on him. This was the guy who was struggling for goals in the championship and then he has a few good months in the premiership and we spend £35m on him?? Commoli should have been sacked on the spot for that alone. That was just a big time panic buy when it would have just been better to wait until the summer.
I would think that we had a lot more time than that, we knew Torres was going for a lot longer than 6 hours.
But that actually makes signing Carroll(for that price) worse.
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