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Getting important minutes on the flank - though it obviously doesn't suit his strengths. I think he should still be playing actively in the reserves (just to get games) in the middle, and against Oldham, let him start in the middle.
He's a cracking talent, Liverpool did well to get hold of him and Liverpool will do well to keep him.
He's got brilliant balance and you can see he has an eye for a pass.
With regular minutes, and if he continues to improve along the same trajectory, we could have our own David Silva on our hands (who incidentally learned a lot of his trade out wide with Valencia) - I wouldn't be surprised to see him surpass Silva if he's nurtured correctly.
He's got brilliant balance and you can see he has an eye for a pass.
With regular minutes, and if he continues to improve along the same trajectory, we could have our own David Silva on our hands (who incidentally learned a lot of his trade out wide with Valencia) - I wouldn't be surprised to see him surpass Silva if he's nurtured correctly.
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I've lurked for a good while, from the start of the site in fact, and I've always liked the cut of your jib amongst others.
He needs to mature, hes still a lot of promise and little product, but its so easy to see hes going to be fantastic, he has such fantastic ability to control the ball in that very Spanish way, also for such a young lad, he has a great shot on him, in a year or twos time he'll be scoring some 30 yard belters.
Next year will be his year, and honestly if we keep Suarez and Sterling, Suso, Sturridge and Borini all progress and improve like you'd expect them tonas young lads, do we really need to sign anyone else in attack?
Next year will be his year, and honestly if we keep Suarez and Sterling, Suso, Sturridge and Borini all progress and improve like you'd expect them tonas young lads, do we really need to sign anyone else in attack?
What made you post? Was it Doc_mac? Or Ryan? Or maybe Modo?
This is a good point.
Is it worth sticking it out while they realise their potential rather than blocking their path to the first team or reducing their minutes by signing someone more established? I'd be inclined to stick it out - makes more financial sense too obviously.
We seem to be well stocked up top and at the back for good/exciting talent on the fringes or in the U21s, seems to me that we are struggling in the middle and for keepers though. That's where I'd be looking for improvements before anywhere else.
Guess it was just time I broke my silence. There's a lot of good posters here whose opinions I enjoy reading, thought I was long overdue for adding my own.
He has obviously got a lot of talent, but he has no real physical presence on the pitch and he drifts in and out of the game (even in the reserves) and this will prevent him from being moved into the middle, where we already have plenty of established options (the quality of those options is a discussion for another thread).
He actually has a similar problem to Stevie G, in that his long range passing is excellent, but you always worry you are wasting it by playing him further forward. His physical presence issue prevents him from playing in the Xabi role, particularly as we don't have a world class defensive midfielder to take up the slack. You could have easily fitted him in there with Masher playing beside him, but Lucas and Henderson are currently not capable of doing that hand holding role on the pitch.
If you play him on the wing, you are losing out on his long range passing and making him even more peripheral, which will do nothing to help his consistency. He also lacks the pace of a conventional winger and will lose a lot of his creative guile.
Personally, I think he would be better playing on loan in his preferred position in a lower league to help him toughen up and develop his stamina.
He actually has a similar problem to Stevie G, in that his long range passing is excellent, but you always worry you are wasting it by playing him further forward. His physical presence issue prevents him from playing in the Xabi role, particularly as we don't have a world class defensive midfielder to take up the slack. You could have easily fitted him in there with Masher playing beside him, but Lucas and Henderson are currently not capable of doing that hand holding role on the pitch.
If you play him on the wing, you are losing out on his long range passing and making him even more peripheral, which will do nothing to help his consistency. He also lacks the pace of a conventional winger and will lose a lot of his creative guile.
Personally, I think he would be better playing on loan in his preferred position in a lower league to help him toughen up and develop his stamina.
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He does lack physical presence as you say, which is why I could never see him in a central midfield position. Fabregas managed it in the Premier League without being the most imposing but he had a great engine - I just don't see Suso being box-to-box at the top level.
He needs to have the majority of the attacking play in front of him without too much of the defensive shackles if we are to see the best of him in this league I think. That AM spot gives him the front three to aim at with hopefully a breaking CM (the dream!)
I think AM is the only position in this current set-up where we could see consistent high level performances from Suso - we'll see flashes of brilliance in other positions but this has to be his if he is to be part of the team going forward, in my opinion.
Balance, close control, eye for a pass (long or short), low centre of gravity, guile, lack of proper pace - all points to that one position.
Thing is, I think he does have physical presence. He's small alright, but he appears to me to be one of those "thick-middle" body types that is able to use his centre of gravity to good effect (Dalglish-like) to be strong on the ball. Like you say, he'd be fine alongside a mobile, proper DM playing deep in the middle (he looked good for the reserves in that role).
I wouldn't want him going on loan to a lesser side just as we're getting in quick mobile wing forwards perfect foil for his intelligence and ability. He just needs a run of starts in behind the front three instead of the leaden-footed Shelvey, one-dimensional Henderson or struggling Allen.
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I actually disagree here as I don't think a loan would do him much good especially not to a lower league team where he'll get butchered and where tactics would be a long way from what he's used to in our current setup.
The thing is he's a very bright talent and one that'll thrive from a manager like Rodgers, why he needs to play now and then without having to much responsibility placed on his tender shoulders. The verdict is still out on him but he's still very young and he's got so much ability and potential I don't believe we should worry to much.
Only concern for me is 'when'. Perhaps in two or three Seasons he could be a regular starter in a team that'll enjoy loads of possession. I doubt he'll be ready come next Season.
Definitely. Suso is surprisingly tenacious and difficult to remove from the ball. There are some decent examples in this youtube from his sub appearance at Stamford Bridge (around the 2.20 mark).
He is okay in terms of holding players off but still not quite good enough. He needs to improve his upper body strength and I'm sure that will happen over the next couple years. At the moment he gets pushed off a bit too often or if he isn't pushed off then he is unbalanced and loses composure a little bit.
I like him a lot though.
I like him a lot though.
I think he's going to be great, sometimes he is great now, he shows flashes of it. He ran the second half against Chelsea, for instance. He's also been unfortunate to be hooked a few times when other players should have made way for him to step into the middle and get a foot on the game.
He's taking time though, as we've seen countless times with players like Smicer, Litmanen, Yossi etc, slight players who like to play in the hole position are always difficult to incorporate in this league, because it means a switch of balance in a three man midfield, with more emphasis on sitting and providing steel from the other two midfielders. The issue we have allowing him to play his favoured role at the minute is two fold. He's still learning the trade and will inevitably make mistakes, which would prove costly in the middle of the park, we also severely lack the adequate bite and natural defensive discipline in there to compliment and support his undoubted potential.
Contrary to the post about building the attack around Allen, it would be interesting to see us add a bit of battling ability to midfield and then allow this lad to flourish in his favoured role. Sahin is going (and prefers playing deeper), Shelvey is another good but young option who is still learning and is different again to Suso, and Gerrard is on the slide. If anyone has the potential to take up the mantle of our playmaker, but in an understandably different way to Stevie, with more finesse but perhaps less drive, then this lad could be the key to our future in this role.
He's taking time though, as we've seen countless times with players like Smicer, Litmanen, Yossi etc, slight players who like to play in the hole position are always difficult to incorporate in this league, because it means a switch of balance in a three man midfield, with more emphasis on sitting and providing steel from the other two midfielders. The issue we have allowing him to play his favoured role at the minute is two fold. He's still learning the trade and will inevitably make mistakes, which would prove costly in the middle of the park, we also severely lack the adequate bite and natural defensive discipline in there to compliment and support his undoubted potential.
Contrary to the post about building the attack around Allen, it would be interesting to see us add a bit of battling ability to midfield and then allow this lad to flourish in his favoured role. Sahin is going (and prefers playing deeper), Shelvey is another good but young option who is still learning and is different again to Suso, and Gerrard is on the slide. If anyone has the potential to take up the mantle of our playmaker, but in an understandably different way to Stevie, with more finesse but perhaps less drive, then this lad could be the key to our future in this role.
If you could put a bitey, physical, ground eating DM in CM it would help Suso enormously.
He's a young player and he's hardly taking time, in any pejorative sense, to make a mark. He's probably been used more often than he would have done had the squad been as big and as good as it should have been, but that's not his fault. Judge him properly in a year or so, if he keeps playing.
I mean he's taking time in that more often than not, he's been peripheral (it's not a criticism, it's understandable at his age, playing out of position too), he's not the only one though and he's amongst much older players. When he's played well he's shown all the potential and promise we know he possesses. It'll come soon enough, this season will stand him in good stead.
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Balance and agility is often far better physical traits in your central/attacking midfielders than steel and strengths are.
Suso won't get any problems in that department imo and will eventually build on his physique too as he gets older.
Suso won't get any problems in that department imo and will eventually build on his physique too as he gets older.
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