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I mean he's taking time in that more often than not, he's been peripheral (it's not a criticism, it's understandable at his age, playing out of position too), he's not the only one though and he's amongst much older players. When he's played well he's shown all the potential and promise we know he possesses. It'll come soon enough, this season will stand him in good stead.


Yes, and he's still developing physically. There's that long period when form seems dependent on the effects of those changes. When he came here he had a great spell, then he grew a bit physically and faded in terms of performances, and got frustrated as a consequence, then he acquired more strength and poise and started to regain some confidence, although in truth he wasn't exactly performing so well as to demand being picked when he did get his chance in the first team. There's a long way to go for him, and I doubt if even he knows what his real range of strengths will be once he's finally settled physically. I quite like to see him being rested as often as he is. He's a rare talent and the coaching staff need to monitor him carefully as he progresses. Sterling looks like he can just push on throughout the season but the English league is in many ways a hazardous environment for a young flair midfielder like Suso. He could get worn down by the worst aspects of it before he's really blossomed as a mature performer.
 
I actually disagree here as I don't think a loan would do him much good especially not to a lower league team where he'll get butchered and where tactics would be a long way from what he's used to in our current setup.

I could not disagree with this any more.

Firstly "Butchering him" is the point of a loan, as the whole idea is to toughen him up. I've used your terminology, and butchering is obviously an exaggeration, but playing in a more physical league in a less peripheral role would benefit him greatly in my opinion.

Secondly do we really want to build up a team that can only play one tactic? Do you only recommend players from the Danish league "that we should sign" that only play tippy tappy bellend football. We want players that can adapt to any role, and any style just in case we need to change strategy during the match or something equally preposterous.

The thing is he's a very bright talent
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and one that'll thrive from a manager like Rodgers,
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he needs to play now and then without having to much responsibility placed on his tender shoulders.

Yes. But he will face much more pressure in a central position because it is such a key area. Hence one of the reasons why I think he should play central regularly in a lower team rather than playing now in than in a wide position for us.
 
He looks decent, just a bit lightweight. He deserves starts over shelvey, but who doesn't.

Boring, agenda driven post alert...

*yawn*

So Mors, tell us what you really think of Shelvey...in a fucking Shelvey thread.
 
I could not agree with this any more.

Firstly "Butchering him" is the point of a loan, as the whole idea is to toughen him up. I've used your terminology, and butchering is obviously an exaggeration, but playing in a more physical league in a less peripheral role would benefit him greatly in my opinion.

Secondly do we really want to build up a team that can only play one tactic? Do you only recommend players from the Danish league "that we should sign" that only play tippy tappy bellend football. We want players that can adapt to any role, and any style just in case we need to change strategy during the match or something equally preposterous.


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Yes. But he will face much more pressure in a central position because it is such a key area. Hence one of the reasons why I think he should play central regularly in a lower team rather than playing now in than in a wide position for us.

I think as their style isn't all that far removed from ours, it benefitted Shelvey at least in confidence and it could help sweeten the Ince deal - Blackpool would be a great shout for a 3 month loan.

Edit: I should point out that I've seen very little of Blackpool under Appleton - so the style comment is based on their previous attacking play under Holloway.
 
I'm not sure the Blackpool loan did much for Shelvey ultimately other than to highlight the huge gulf between playing well in the Championship and making the step up to top premier league level. If anything, at a club level, for me, it served to elevate Shelvey in the pecking order (once back) beyond his place and deprive the likes of the superior Suso of a decent run of games.

He's proven he can cut it in our side out of position, now give him more chances in a position making best use of his huge talent.
 
I think as their style isn't all that far removed from ours, it benefitted Shelvey at least in confidence and it could help sweeten the Ince deal - Blackpool would be a great shout for a 3 month loan.

Edit: I should point out that I've seen very little of Blackpool under Appleton - so the style comment is based on their previous attacking play under Holloway.

Agreed. I think it's also safe to say that the stint at Blackpool also benefited Ince
 
I wouldn't like to see us loan Suso out to Chesterfield or whatever, as I don't think he needs to be 'toughened up' in a lower league where he'll struggle to find his place. The gains wouldn't exceed what we'd get out from playing him in the team, learning to cope with the pace and adjust to teammates etc.

PS Suso has already taken a rather big leap in terms of maturing and toughening up by moving from sunny Spain to Liverpool at such tender age don't you think?
 
I'm not sure the Blackpool loan did much for Shelvey ultimately other than to highlight the huge gulf between playing well in the Championship and making the step up to top premier league level. If anything, at a club level, for me, it served to elevate Shelvey in the pecking order (once back) beyond his place and deprive the likes of the superior Suso of a decent run of games.

He's proven he can cut it in our side out of position, now give him more chances in a position making best use of his huge talent.

It's more about regular football in a physical league - the experience would at least stand him in good stead.
 
Suso has talent, that's clear to see. In some way's his movement and close control remind me of Fowler but that's where the comparison ends.

His decision making needs to improve or he needs to show more confidence / decisiveness in his approach. If he's playing in the first team, then its on the merit of what the manager believes. So go show show it.

He looked good at home against Utd, but after all the hype that's followed him from the reserve performances he has yet to consistently translate that to the first team. He has the skills and technique to succeed, does he have the belief?
 
I wouldn't like to see us loan Suso out to Chesterfield or whatever, as I don't think he needs to be 'toughened up' in a lower league where he'll struggle to find his place. The gains wouldn't exceed what we'd get out from playing him in the team, learning to cope with the pace and adjust to teammates etc.
There's also the added fact that we're completely shit at loaning players out.
 
It's more about regular football in a physical league - the experience would at least stand him in good stead.
More so than playing now and then for us in the league you think?

It's obvious that Rodgers believes in the kid and isn't afraid to give him a call, so I don't get at all why we all of a sudden should send him to Blackpool or some other place where he'd have to struggle with new teammates, new tactics etc.

Makes little sense to me, especially as the kid has already made one major move in his career.
 
There's also the added fact that we're completely shit at loaning players out.
It really has been the kiss of death for many a player in the past, probably because most of them wasn't good enough, but still, the record is grim reading.
 
More so than playing now and then for us in the league you think?

It's obvious that Rodgers believes in the kid and isn't afraid to give him a call, so I don't get at all why we all of a sudden should send him to Blackpool or some other place where he'd have to struggle with new teammates, new tactics etc.

Makes little sense to me, especially as the kid has already made one major move in his career.

Let's be honest - for all his talent and promise he's a peripheral figure with regards to the first team. If we could farm him out up the road to Blackpool, or another attacking team who play it on the ground for the most part, where he could get regular football then brilliant. If Blackpool/whoever agree to us being able to recall at any time then even better.

Regular football for three months in a competitive league vs the odd cameo or U21s game? No brainer surely.
 
Some good posts in here lads, it's good for the future we have many bright prospects. I just hope that we have the patience to make them a success.
 
Let's be honest - for all his talent and promise he's a peripheral figure with regards to the first team. If we could farm him out up the road to Blackpool, or another attacking team who play it on the ground for the most part, where he could get regular football then brilliant. If Blackpool/whoever agree to us being able to recall at any time then even better.

Regular football for three months in a competitive league vs the odd cameo or U21s game? No brainer surely.
No brainer or not mate, I wouldn't do it and doubt Rodgers will either. I don't quite get the logic to be honest especially not when it comes to a talent and type of player like Suso.
 
Let's be honest - for all his talent and promise he's a peripheral figure with regards to the first team. If we could farm him out up the road to Blackpool, or another attacking team who play it on the ground for the most part, where he could get regular football then brilliant. If Blackpool/whoever agree to us being able to recall at any time then even better.

Regular football for three months in a competitive league vs the odd cameo or U21s game? No brainer surely.

Yep, I'd go with that. Its relatively risk free and gives him the chance to build some consistent belief in his game.
 
No brainer or not mate, I wouldn't do it and doubt Rodgers will either. I don't quite get the logic to be honest especially not when it comes to a talent and type of player like Suso.

Fair enough, different strokes and all that.

I just personally feel that at this stage of his development regular game time is important, there's only so much he can learn in training.

I can see your point of view though 🙂
 
Shelvey's a good example here - these players at that age go hot and cold, they get mentally tired more often than physically tired and their form will be up and down, but as soon as poor Shelvey hit a bad patch he was savaged by some. Now he's coming back into form. It shows you need to give them some patience and support. The same certainly goes for Suso. If he has a few matches when he looks ineffective, for god's sake don't overreact. He's learning, slowly, and he has great potential. Put the judge's gavel back in the box and just watch for a while.
 
Shelvey's a good example here - these players at that age go hot and cold, they get mentally tired more often than physically tired and their form will be up and down, but as soon as poor Shelvey hit a bad patch he was savaged by some. Now he's coming back into form. It shows you need to give them some patience and support. The same certainly goes for Suso. If he has a few matches when he looks ineffective, for god's sake don't overreact. He's learning, slowly, and he has great potential. Put the judge's gavel back in the box and just watch for a while.

Agreed. And the same goes for Sterling, I've seen some people give him a hard time when he hasn't produced. We can't expect them to produce every game at that age.
 
I think Suso has great potential and has reacted very well this season. I would like to see him given a shot in a more central position at some point but he has about three people ahead of him in the queue... maybe in a few years.
 
Suso has so much talent. Once he gets more upper body strength and experience he will tear up the premiership as a proper number 10.

I'd have no problem with him going on loan to somewhere like Norwich or Southampton who like to play football if it meant he got to play in the middle every week.
 
Suso has so much talent. Once he gets more upper body strength and experience he will tear up the premiership as a proper number 10.

I'd have no problem with him going on loan to somewhere like Norwich or Southampton who like to play football if it meant he got to play in the middle every week.

I know, it takes time to get used to the pace and power of the English League doesn't it Glen?

I'm almost tempted to say that, after 12 Premiership games this season, he's not cut out for the premiership at all. Anyone can see he struggled with the physical side of things!
 
I know, it takes time to get used to the pace and power of the English League doesn't it Glen?

I'm almost tempted to say that, after 12 Premiership games this season, he's not cut out for the premiership at all. Anyone can see he struggled with the physical side of things!
Hahahaha but suso is a long term project so we can afford to be patient and give him the years he needs. If we only have someone for this season only then different rules apply.
 
Hahahaha but suso is a long term project so we can afford to be patient and give him the years he needs. If we only have someone for this season only then different rules apply.

I know mate, but why don't we just say that instead of banging on about him never going to be good enough physically, Sahin is young too.
 
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