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Yeah they got rid of Gareth Bale at exactly the point of his decline didn't they?
Much foresight.
But Arn, you were arguing earlier that this is without doubt a Klopp signing so we should be behind it and be dismissive of the Committee involvement. Even if Klopp has identified the player, it has to be a concern that we're once again overpaying Southampton for a player. If reports are to be believed, we're paying more or less £35m including add-ons, for a player picked up for £10m two years ago. Slight example used earlier, but he had the same goal return last season as Origi did, so from that perspective, we're talking about a decent impact, not enough to propel us to the heights of Premiership success, but enough to add a few more goals that our other attacking midfielders/forwards aren't getting.
Put it this way, have a look at the players bought last season in the £30m-£35m bracket. Although it by no means guarantees success, buying big name players, it usually demands a certain type of profile, unless we're buying.
Well two things: if you have to go back 8/9years to find an exception then it kinda proves the general theory.
And the main point is they were taken over around 2010 - thats the start of the relevant timeline. That ownership and management group are either massively lucky or are doing something right.
Either way i'd back them to come out better than us on this deal.
All the expensive ones havent been disappointing though. I'd say much of Sotons credit in the transfer market comes from our purchases of Lallana and Lovren. Who were both overpriced and havent delivered until maybe for the last 6 months last season.
Shaw is still only 20 years old and Schneiderlin was decent for Utd last season. He'll improve under Mourinho no doubt.
Chambers is also young, just 21 years old.
What other transfers is this theory based upon?
Shaw is still only 20 years old and Schneiderlin was decent for Utd last season. He'll improve under Mourinho no doubt.
Chambers is also young, just 21 years old.
What other transfers is this theory based upon?
Shaw has been a disaster. Schneiderlin was largely anonymous last season.
Its based on all the transfers Hansern. Southampton have a great track record of selling players under this ownership group.
I admire your dedication to trying to argue against every argument i make but you just need to open your eyes and accept the obvious on this one. Nobody they've sold had been better than they were at Southampton and very few were value for money.
This transfer is Lallana 2.0. Buying someone who has just had two good seasons and probably won't replicate them for us.
In a years time we'll be talking about how he didn't settle for x reason, how he doesn't have the mentality to make it at a big club etc etc and all that other nonsensicle bollox. When the reality is a Premiership peak is a very limited time for your average player and we keep buying players at the end of it.
And then nrxt summer we'll hear he's only 25 and he's got time to improve , and ignore the fact that most good wingers are starting to decline at that point.
Then you'll throw out a list of the Worlds greatest players as though they're a good comparison for Mane and convince yourself that there's still hope.
And i'll be right, again, and people will go on the 'oh nobody could have known' buzz.
Despite the fact all the evidence is staring you right in the face.
Anyway. Thats my last post on the subject.
In the unlikely event Mane totally outperforms my expectations, i unreservedly apologise for being neagtive and wrong.
Its based on all the transfers Hansern. Southampton have a great track record of selling players under this ownership group.
I admire your dedication to trying to argue against every argument i make but you just need to open your eyes and accept the obvious on this one. Nobody they've sold had been better than they were at Southampton and very few were value for money.
This transfer is Lallana 2.0. Buying someone who has just had two good seasons and probably won't replicate them for us.
In a years time we'll be talking about how he didn't settle for x reason, how he doesn't have the mentality to make it at a big club etc etc and all that other nonsensicle bollox. When the reality is a Premiership peak is a very limited time for your average player and we keep buying players at the end of it.
And then nrxt summer we'll hear he's only 25 and he's got time to improve , and ignore the fact that most good wingers are starting to decline at that point.
Then you'll throw out a list of the Worlds greatest players as though they're a good comparison for Mane and convince yourself that there's still hope.
And i'll be right, again, and people will go on the 'oh nobody could have known' buzz.
Despite the fact all the evidence is staring you right in the face.
Anyway. Thats my last post on the subject.
In the unlikely event Mane totally outperforms my expectations, i unreservedly apologise for being neagtive and wrong.
Shaw was in the form of his life before he broke his leg.
All of those goals came in and around the box, makes it seem that he plays through the middle for Southampton more often than not and makes me worry that playing him out wide could reduce his output.
I understand the parallels to Lallana - one or two good seasons, high price, same club etc etc.
But comparing circumstances is not the same as comparing players. I was never that interested in Lallana because he'd really only had ONE good season in the Premiership, and he also looked one-paced and didn't score enough goals, and there was also his price tag. And who actually bought him.
Klopp has more trust from me than Rodgers. Mane also had more than one impressive season. He is very quick - which has been an obvious lack with our team last season, and one that we all knew needed to be addressed. He provides width.
What problem was the purchase of Lallana fixing?
Mane has also scored the same amount of Premiership goals in two seasons as Lallana has managed in four.
So make your comparison include players, not just circumstances.
But comparing circumstances is not the same as comparing players. I was never that interested in Lallana because he'd really only had ONE good season in the Premiership, and he also looked one-paced and didn't score enough goals, and there was also his price tag. And who actually bought him.
Klopp has more trust from me than Rodgers. Mane also had more than one impressive season. He is very quick - which has been an obvious lack with our team last season, and one that we all knew needed to be addressed. He provides width.
What problem was the purchase of Lallana fixing?
Mane has also scored the same amount of Premiership goals in two seasons as Lallana has managed in four.
So make your comparison include players, not just circumstances.
I've been watching a lot of his youtube clips showing how every involvement in a match. A few things:
He's very quick. Especially over the first 5 yards but also top end speed.
His first touch is impressive.
He's a good tackler and capable of playing Klopps game (when he's in the mood?)
His shooting is a bit meh for someone with his goal record. He keeps it low and accurate but doesn't strike it brilliantly. We used to call them Daisy cutters in school
He doesn't rely on tricks although he has a few. His pace, strength and balance are often enough to beat his man but he requires a bit of space to do so. Whether he would get that at Liverpool is debatable.
He's very quick. Especially over the first 5 yards but also top end speed.
His first touch is impressive.
He's a good tackler and capable of playing Klopps game (when he's in the mood?)
His shooting is a bit meh for someone with his goal record. He keeps it low and accurate but doesn't strike it brilliantly. We used to call them Daisy cutters in school
He doesn't rely on tricks although he has a few. His pace, strength and balance are often enough to beat his man but he requires a bit of space to do so. Whether he would get that at Liverpool is debatable.
I don't get the problem. He will add goals, goals we didn't /couldn't score last season.
He adds his speed, we don't have anyone with his pace on the ball, yeah we don't have any slouches but his pace will certainly be an asset.
Yeah the fee is high but if he makes half a dozen and scores 15 it'll be well worth it.
He's also young (hopefully) so we should get similar value out of him for a good few seasons.
He adds his speed, we don't have anyone with his pace on the ball, yeah we don't have any slouches but his pace will certainly be an asset.
Yeah the fee is high but if he makes half a dozen and scores 15 it'll be well worth it.
He's also young (hopefully) so we should get similar value out of him for a good few seasons.
But that doesn't fit the "theory" though.
There is no dedication in that, just pointing out the obvious flaws in your "theory".
Let's add to that that his goals/assists over the past two seasons is 1:2. That's bloody ace.
Is £30m expensive anymore? I'm not sure it is, just seems like money burning a hole in your pocket following a windfall.
Bloody hell, more cooking analogies - couldn't you have thrown a root vegetable in there too ?
Well I'l be rooting for him and exspud him to do well and turnip for each game ready to mash the opposition.
ooo-er etc
No need for you to chip in.
Sorry, but it was really grating, so you can't complain if you get roasted.
See also: boiled, fried, simmer, gratin, raw, mashed, sliced, crushed, frozen.
Quite, I'm worried what half baked puns he'll start sprouting next. He pepper watch out otherwise this could just be the tip of the iceberg lettuce and people will rightly give him a roasting.
No-one plays a flat back 10 against Soton. Which is why their players invariably do worse when attempting to transition to a bigger club. That's got to be a factor surely? You'd like to think playing with better players would elevate their form but it doesn't always work like that.
Ok time for me to get my jacket...
That's a good a way as any to end the potato jokes. Mind, after the 'exspud' disaster this is the least you could do.
Yep - that's why I'm a bit concerned by the lack of tricks and his need for space. Even Downing looked decent(ish) for a counter-attacking Aston Villa side. That didn't translate well here at all.
That said, I'm confident the Mane deal will be much better than that. I don't see another Suarez deal here where he has the potential to go on and be world-class, which is kind of what we want and need given the price tag, but he will prove a good outlet for Coutinho to find, he will stretch teams with his pace and running in behind and he's always looking into getting into the box and cause problems.
Ah, ok.
You basically told me that you want him to win me over as a mate.
Which he can forget, obviously.
I was gonna ask why you hate him, but then I remembered
Didn't he down tools effectively to get his move to soton? Meaning leipzig got binned out the CL?
Can play anywhere across the front three in a 4-2-3-1.
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