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I said earlier this summer what would happen: young players who weren't quite ready last year will be just about ready this year, but when they get a chance it will be 'Kenny didn't trust them, this manager does'. They're a year older! Kenny brought Sterling into the squad, into training, gave him experience in the big match occasions, then gave him some time on the pitch. I'm sorry, but to just style it as 'he didn't trust him, Brendan does' is far too simplistic - and Rodgers would be the first to acknowledge that. It's not a pro-Kenny versus pro-Brendan argument, no matter that some are eager to make it so.
Exactly. If he was 19 or 20 that argument could be used. Kenny deserves praise for involving a 16 year old as much as he did. But then some people just see what they want to see.
 
Exactly. If he was 19 or 20 that argument could be used. Kenny deserves praise for involving a 16 year old as much as he did. But then some people just see what they want to see.
I think the real problem is that some posters don't really understand the concept of time.
 
Kenny playing Henderson out of position for almost the entire season wasnt good, nor giving Spearing so many games or the benching of Carroll.

But he also did a lot of great things for the younger players. Robinson, Flanagan, Shelvey and Sterling.
Works both ways.
 
Sterling should have been brought-on much further last year then he was, to the point where he was a regular on the bench and getting more game time. Carra should have been getting less sadly, the old war horse is past it and the rugby tackles are an increasing sign of the blatantly fucking obvious.

regards
 
I said earlier this summer what would happen: young players who weren't quite ready last year will be just about ready this year, but when they get a chance it will be 'Kenny didn't trust them, this manager does'. They're a year older! Kenny brought Sterling into the squad, into training, gave him experience in the big match occasions, then gave him some time on the pitch. I'm sorry, but to just style it as 'he didn't trust him, Brendan does' is far too simplistic - and Rodgers would be the first to acknowledge that. It's not a pro-Kenny versus pro-Brendan argument, no matter that some are eager to make it so.

How do you know someone isn't ready unless they're tested? I can only judge on what I see and from the very brief cameos towards the end of the season, his performances in the NextGen Series and the Reserve League, it was clear for all to see he was ready. He looked hungry, lively and threatening - qualities only one player from the last season showed. Two years ago whilst with the academy side he scored 13 in 24 games, then last year netted 7 in 27, winning the Reserve Team's Player of the Year. I'm not one of these people here to bash Dalglish, I thought he did a great job with the youngsters as you say, bringing Sterling and a few others along with the first-team on their travels, integrating them into training, etc. We're singing from the same hymn sheet here, I think the only part of this we're disagreeing on is that final hurdle of giving him game-time. From the links below I believe we could have utilised someone like that regardless of his age.

vs Everton Reserves 1:05-1:50
vs Wigan Reserves 0:08-0:24 / 0:55-1:08 / 1:50-2:20 / 2:55-3:05


vs Arsenal Reserves 1:35-2:30 / 4:40-5:20 / 8:50-9:10
vs Aston Villa Reserves 0:45-1:00 / 2:13-2:45 / 6:37-7:00 / 7:20-7:50 / 9:42-10:27
vs Newcastle Utd Reserves 5:58-7:00


NextGen Series

vs Sporting Lisbon U19 Home 2:15-2:25 / 5:50-6:13 / 7:36-7:48 / 8:47-9:05 / 10:02-10:21 / 10:50-10:58
vs Molde U19 Away 0:00-0:30 / 2:24-2:35 / 2:37-2:47 / 2:57-3:15
vs Wolfsburg U19 Away 1:05-1:15 / 1:22-1:37 / 2:05-2:14 / 4:18-4:28
vs Wolfsburg U19 Home 3:18-3:50
vs Molde U19 Home 1:08-1:32 / 1:52-1:58
vs Sporting Lisbon U19 Away4:08-4:44
vs Ajax U19 1:30-2:10
 
How do you know someone isn't ready unless they're tested? I can only judge on what I see and from the very brief cameos towards the end of the season, his performances in the NextGen Series and the Reserve League, it was clear for all to see he was ready.


The vast majority on here disagreed. Rodgers disagreed when he first came in, if you recall. Unless you mean ready to be eased in, which he was, for fucks sake. But 'clear for all to see he was ready'? Lots of blind people on here last season, then. I'm sick of this retrospective bullshit. It's pointless and misleading, unless you want to serve an agenda.
 
I have no agenda. If we didn't recruit Allen and Sahin, i'd be pestering Rodgers to give Suso a chance because he is a marvellous talent. I just want Liverpool Football Club playing their best players.
 
To be honest, he should have been played much more at the end of last season in the league. It was already doubly fucked, so why not give the likes of Sterling a run out rather than continually playing that fraud, Downing?
 
In fairness to Dalglish, akin to what is happening this year with Suso, so it was with Sterling last year. He got a bit of encouragement, some pre-season games and training with the big boys then tweeted his displeasure when he didn't get game time at the start of the season. His 'advisors' then leaked a story to the press that he was considering a move because of a lack of game time. A manager who gives into that nonesense is opening up a can of worms.

Again, it might even be said that the more mature attitude shown by Sterling this year is down to Dalglish not pandering to him, and Rodgers is reaping the rewards.
 
Where are all the people who saw him in pre-season and against Hearts and stressed how he gave the ball away too much, wasn't aware enough and wasn't strong enough? And where are the academy and reserves stalwarts who were happy enough to acknowledge his talent last season whilst also arguing he wasn't ready for the first team? Are they all having their tea or something? The speed at which history is being rewritten is breathtaking.
 
I just want to add that the desperation we expressed regarding the involvement of Suso and Sterling, stemmed from the frustation we felt regarding Henderson, Adam and Downing's performances.
Now that we have Assaidi, Borini, Allen and Sahin I'm more relaxed.
 
Where are all the people who saw him in pre-season and against Hearts and stressed how he gave the ball away too much, wasn't aware enough and wasn't strong enough? And where are the academy and reserves stalwarts who were happy enough to acknowledge his talent last season whilst also arguing he wasn't ready for the first team? Are they all having their tea or something? The speed at which history is being rewritten is breathtaking.

They're suckers. Jive ass turkeys.

*pleased he's never commented on sterling last season*


Although I did say it was risky for him to play against city
 
His involvement against Man C doesn't mean that he's ready. If we had a somewhat capeable winger at the club he wouldnt have started.
 
The other side of Rodgers' management style was evident last week at the Academy, when he was doing a funny little dance to make Eccleston and a couple of other young players laugh.
 
The other side of Rodgers' management style was evident last week at the Academy, when he was doing a funny little dance to make Eccleston and a couple of other young players laugh.

I can't wait for footage of when he pulls out his guitar and sings some Irish folk songs.

This man can do anything.
 
I said earlier this summer what would happen: young players who weren't quite ready last year will be just about ready this year, but when they get a chance it will be 'Kenny didn't trust them, this manager does'. They're a year older! Kenny brought Sterling into the squad, into training, gave him experience in the big match occasions, then gave him some time on the pitch. I'm sorry, but to just style it as 'he didn't trust him, Brendan does' is far too simplistic - and Rodgers would be the first to acknowledge that. It's not a pro-Kenny versus pro-Brendan argument, no matter that some are eager to make it so.
One year does make a huge difference to youth development. Rodgers is benefiting from it no doubt and he has the gut to play them in such a big match as with Man City.
 
His involvement against Man C doesn't mean that he's ready. If we had a somewhat capeable winger at the club he wouldnt have started.

His near-MOTM involvement, you mean? If he weren't ready he wouldn't even have been in the squad, let alone the team. He might not be ready to play every game, but that's a rather different matter.
 
The other side of Rodgers' management style was evident last week at the Academy, when he was doing a funny little dance to make Eccleston and a couple of other young players laugh.

Pics or didnt' happen

*still believes it happened, even if theres no pics*
 
Its nice to hear that he seems to be a popular, funny guy.


Unless its like when you're a kid and your grandad says something that was cool 5 years ago and try and be "down" with you, and you're laughing at his attempt, not at his reference.
 
ready to play every game...
He won't be, but based on that game he certainly can play a good chunk of them. Perhaps him and assaidi will swap in the team sheet then it'll be suarez borini and sterling/assaidi

Unless the morrocan turns out to be proper shit
 
Its nice to hear that he seems to be a popular, funny guy.


Unless its like when you're a kid and your grandad says something that was cool 5 years ago and try and be "down" with you, and you're laughing at his attempt, not at his reference.
Even then it is sort of endearing.
 
ready to play every game...
He needs to get bigger because he's getting shrugged of the ball too easily.
His size also forces him to use up a lot of energy in order to keep the ball in those types of duels.
Hence, my "he isn't ready" comment.
 
I can appreciate the viewpoint, but I think praising a young player is a fantastic thing to do. If he praised Gerrard or suarez, it'd seen obvious and blah, but to single out someone on the fringes and give him a boost, ahead of guaranteed starters would be sensational for Morgan.

He's worked with youth for years so I'm confident he knows what he's doing.

I also liked that he's told off sterling, yet still started him. He's showing he's telling the truth bu saying anyone can break into the squad.

Is it safe to assume then that Henderson isn't one of the best at training any more?

I would imagine Henderson is a pretty dedicated trainer. More likely is he burst into tears after one of Rodgers' speeches.
 
He needs to get bigger because he's getting shrugged of the ball too easily.
His size also forces him to use up a lot of energy in order to keep the ball in those types of duels.
Hence, my "he isn't ready" comment.

Weren't you the one advocating playing him (and others) recently and for most of last season, ahead of your pet hates like Downing and Adam (and Carra probably)?

You watch reserve team football Modo, so why are you acting like it's a new observation that the lad is slight, despite him playing now against Hearts, Leverkusen (albeit in a friendly) and the Premiership Champions, all with success?

So in a nutshell, you watch reserve team football, know exactly what he's about, tell us for months on end that he should play > he plays, he does well, no less against the best side in the league and you've now decided he isn't ready?

You have me scratching my head, ALOT Modo. Sometimes I wonder if you're actually a WUM, either that or really, really dim.
 
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